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RavenMuse -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/22/2006 8:01:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Petruchio
I've noted before that dommes (F) are often fundamentally different from male doms. Often they seem (to me, as an outsider) more humane, more motherly, more willing to be vulnerable. Their great strength appears to be that womanly way of absorbing male faults and lacks. I do not understand submissive males, so I can only observe and attempt to assess.


I think I know where you are comming from with this Petruchio but to a degree I differ.

Certainly if you take the entire range of what lables themself Dom and what lables as Domme, then the Dommes will, at that generic level tend toward being more humaine. But then look at the values society puts on the two genders during their formative years.

Girls get told to be lady-like, boys to stop crying and act like a man. That has an effect of a generic level. But we don't deal with the generic, we deal with the individuals.

I get on with a range of people on these boards. subs, Dommes, Doms and switches.... all the ones I get on with and respect I can say I have seen their humaine side. Sure some can be blunter than others but not one of them is two dimentional, they can be as hard-ass as the next man when someone crosses them but give them reason to do so and you see they have a gentle side too.

Vulnerability is a matter of perception. Someone saying "I got a problem here guys, can you give me a few pointers on getting a grip on how to deal with it?" isn't to me vulnerable, just human.




IrishMist -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/22/2006 1:43:35 PM)

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When a woman is immature she can be the the most vicious of creatures,


LOL, well, that describes me then. My viciousness knows no bounds...I have been told often enough in the past to tone it down a bit lol.

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both genders have the capacity to nurture, love, and promote growth in their own ways.


I don't disagree with this. I just have never really stopped to try and look at it from both sides before. I was not real close with my mother, or sisters...and yet I was with both my father and brother. On the same vein though, being a mother myself, I know that I am nurturing, loving, and that I try every thing within my power to promote emotional, mental, and physical health in her.

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Right on the nail <<<Hands IrishMist a Horn filled with home made Meade>>>


Woot !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S PARTY TIME
And nothing compares to homemade [8D]
Watch out though, I may try to blow through the horn...everyone stand away [&:]

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we have in all walks of life men who feel they are or should be the rightful rulers and on the other side of the table women who feel they are or should be the rightful rulers.


Ok, I will tentatively agree with this...not only in the context of D/s and BDSM, but also on the nilla side. ( I am not sure which distinctions you are using...hence the tentative agreement )

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have read some excellent posts so far and there are lots of female subs who believe in male supremacy and male subs who believe in fem supremacy too that may be able to help shed more light on this too! The question is why?


Maybe it's just what they consider...from a view of submission only?...that this is the rightful order? For myself...AND ONLY FOR MYSELF...even though I am submissive, and even though I have a preference for men...I don't seperate the two. My natural reaction when meeting someone of a more dominant nature, whether male or female, is to back down...or, in a way...bow to their more dominating nature. I place them above me on the value of supremecy, in that respect. ( I am not even sure that that made any sense at all, my thoughts kind of rambled there a bit ) This is true for me whether meeting someone from this side, or from the nilla side.





fastlane -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/22/2006 1:55:36 PM)

HEY

WTF am I??!!!

A pin cushion?

geesh


Not yet? A Dominant Supremist at the Pin nacle of his trade..LOL[:D]






IrishMist -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/22/2006 2:01:57 PM)

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Not yet? A Dominant Supremist at the Pin nacle of his trade..LOL


LMFAO





MHOO314 -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/22/2006 2:23:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fastlane

HEY

WTF am I??!!!

A pin cushion?

geesh







After you visit the butterfly board you will be! <laughs sadistically>




Real0ne -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/23/2006 2:25:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I obviously have a bias in this area but I won't be drawn into a long slug fest. I do respect the right for those who don't subscribe to the Gorean Lifestyle to hold their opinions. I just ask that they dont try to convert me or thrust their doctrines down my throat..... In effect they live their reality and I live mine. Terra is large enough for both and even allowing some overlap in neutral areas.

It's all in the game and how you play it!



i have to hand it to you IB you stand up for what you believe in and are willing to lay your beliefs on the table for all to see.

i am quite suprised that of all the people on this site that claim to either be a female supremacist, or practice it, or believe in it, not even "one" has stepped up to the plate to tell us what they are about and why one would wish to believe in them or for that matter even consider them credible.

there are literally thousands of women on here with fem supremacy checked and many say it in their profiles so where are they????????

So far guys 1 gals 0






IrishMist -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/23/2006 2:49:35 PM)

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i am quite suprised that of all the people on this site that claim to either be a female supremacist, or practice it, or believe in it, not even "one" has stepped up to the plate to tell us what they are about and why one would wish to believe in them or for that matter even consider them credible.


RO, have you thought that maybe it's because they don't feel a NEED to defend their beliefs? That's like asking submissives or slaves to defend their ideas on why they feel they are submissive or slave. Makes no sense.




Real0ne -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/23/2006 3:10:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

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i am quite suprised that of all the people on this site that claim to either be a female supremacist, or practice it, or believe in it, not even "one" has stepped up to the plate to tell us what they are about and why one would wish to believe in them or for that matter even consider them credible.


RO, have you thought that maybe it's because they don't feel a NEED to defend their beliefs? That's like asking submissives or slaves to defend their ideas on why they feel they are submissive or slave. Makes no sense.




i do not know even the first premise of why a female would feel she should rule the world instead of a man. IB and others have at least went as far as to give a premise in another forum.

Maybe they do not have a premise? In which case they cant speak to it. Thats what i am thinking.




stef -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/23/2006 3:17:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

i am quite suprised that of all the people on this site that claim to either be a female supremacist, or practice it, or believe in it, not even "one" has stepped up to the plate to tell us what they are about and why one would wish to believe in them or for that matter even consider them credible.

Perhaps they don't feel the need to explain their beliefs to you, especially after seeing how you've "debated" other topics recently.

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there are literally thousands of women on here with fem supremacy checked and many say it in their profiles so where are they????????

So far guys 1 gals 0

Nice edit of your original post to append this attempt to goad someone into playing your game. That's classy.

~stef




Real0ne -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/23/2006 3:29:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

i am quite suprised that of all the people on this site that claim to either be a female supremacist, or practice it, or believe in it, not even "one" has stepped up to the plate to tell us what they are about and why one would wish to believe in them or for that matter even consider them credible.

Perhaps they don't feel the need to explain their beliefs to you, especially after seeing how you've "debated" other topics recently.

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there are literally thousands of women on here with fem supremacy checked and many say it in their profiles so where are they????????

So far guys 1 gals 0

Nice edit of your original post to append this attempt to goad someone into playing your game. That's classy.

~stef


let me clarify. there is nothing here for "ME" to debate.

i am not a supremacist and could care less who is. period.

but yes i would like to know what that is in application as it seems many others would as well from the posts i have seen thus far.

you are more than welcome to comment and let us know if you know.








NakedOnMyChain -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/23/2006 5:03:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

LOL, well, that describes me then. My viciousness knows no bounds...I have been told often enough in the past to tone it down a bit lol.


Thpppttt. (That's me sticking my tongue out at you.) You're very mature and you carry yourself with dignity. In the immortal words of TS Eliot, "There will be time to murder and create." Viciousness has it's time, and I get the feeling that those on the receiving end your wrath probably deserve it.

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ORIGINAL: RealOne

you are more than welcome to comment


How sweet of you.




Real0ne -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/27/2006 9:44:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I obviously have a bias in this area but I won't be drawn into a long slug fest. I do respect the right for those who don't subscribe to the Gorean Lifestyle to hold their opinions. I just ask that they dont try to convert me or thrust their doctrines down my throat..... In effect they live their reality and I live mine. Terra is large enough for both and even allowing some overlap in neutral areas.

It's all in the game and how you play it!



between this thread and another the absense of fem supremacists is glaringly obvious. It seems to me that maybe everyone is just checking fem supremacist because it sounds good. i can understand a low turnout but a zero turnout between 2 threads i have to say was a little surprising. as a result of this thread being up for nearly 2 weeks now it seems that if one group would be more inclined to be the dominant rulers the trophy would haveto go with the men. Why? because they showed up if nothing else and they also have a premise as a foundation by which to launch their debate.

The majority of posts however feel no one sex is best suited to be the ruler.








BitaTruble -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/27/2006 10:47:47 PM)

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because they showed up if nothing else and they also have a premise as a foundation by which to launch their debate.



::puts on devil's advocate cloak, steps up to the podium and taps it with her baton:: Ok, Class.. settle down. Now, pay attention because there is a test at the end of the lecture.

Women Reign Supreme because...

... men have been submissive ever since Eve gave the first apple to Adam and he bit. They spend 9 months trying to get out of the womb, then a lifetime of trying to get back in. The female vagina is the most powerful natural resource on the planet. If that energy could be harnessed it would run every car on Earth, albeit with some natural gas emissions, for eternity and there are enough sperm banks in place, that if men disappeared tomorrow, we could populate this planet till the Sun went Supernova.

Basically, if it weren't for tight lids on jars, men would go the way of dinosaurs and not be missed for a single moment. There isn't a body part which a man possesses that can't be duplicated with plastic and batteries which will work for a lifetime without Viagra. So much testosterone is dumped into the female womb to form that the male sexual organ when you're a fetus that it actually fries the neuron connectors to your brains, making them much less efficient than a woman's. Male supremacy is not dead, it's nonexistent and always has been. 70% of the relationships which fail is due to the woman leaving the man, not the other way around. A man cannot father a child without a woman. Women can get impregnated and bear several children without a man including multiple births with a little thing called fertility treatments. Men reach their sexuality maturity much sooner than women and die younger. Coincidence? I think not. With power tools we can build houses and with our attitudes we create homes. With nature we can seduce gods and with nurture we can produce them. Men are twistable, moldable and ultimately flammable if they piss us off.

All that aside, there is really a single, simple reason why women reign supreme over men.

Multiple orgasms.

We get 'em. You don't. Not only do we get em.. you all give them to us and further than that, we don't even need you to give them to us because we can give them to ourselves and to each other.

Silly boys.

::chuckles, winks and walks away, tongue planted firmly in cheek::

Hey now.. what did you expect when you post in Other Random Stupidity?

Celeste




IronBear -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/27/2006 11:37:07 PM)

Bita, your suposition only works if you see power coming from an orgasm.... I see power comming from the barrel of a gun or blade of a sword.... Seeing that half of my mercinary teams were women and strong women at that I'd say that levels the playing field. Yet whilst the modern woman may well be able to build homes and run businesses, I'd question how many of them could survive in the wilderness and thrive. The way civilization is headed I'd hope to be aroiund when it screws its up totally and we revert to a tribal or feudal world (Long as I am a feudal as I was born to be and never a serf) I can not just survive but thrive in such conditions.




BitaTruble -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/28/2006 8:55:59 AM)

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Bita, your suposition only works if you see power coming from an orgasm.... I see power comming from the barrel of a gun or blade of a sword.... Seeing that half of my mercinary teams were women and strong women at that I'd say that levels the playing field. Yet whilst the modern woman may well be able to build homes and run businesses, I'd question how many of them could survive in the wilderness and thrive. The way civilization is headed I'd hope to be aroiund when it screws its up totally and we revert to a tribal or feudal world (Long as I am a feudal as I was born to be and never a serf) I can not just survive but thrive in such conditions.


Interesting that you would question the ability of women to survive and thrive in the wilderness since we've been doing it since the dawn of man. Woman do what they have to do and as a weak woman will die in that wilderness, so will a weak man. I doubt the average man will be able to thrive better than myself if left to fend for themselves in the wilderness. I can start a fire, know how to purify water, can tie, virtually, every knot known to man, have a background in carpentry to build my shelter, can hunt, kill and prepare my food, I'm very healthy with no allergies, in good shape... strong like bull and have a longer expected lifespan, statistically speaking, than a man the same age as myself. I have tilled soil, worked on a 25K acre cattle ranch/farm, can ride a horse, bareback if needed. I know crop rotation, seeding, and what salt does to the Earth. Cavemen are gone, women are educated. The old days are no longer. A man may be physically stronger ::and I know many who are NOT:: and they may be quicker ::and again, I know many who are not:: but that doesn't make them supreme because there is nothing they can do which I can't.. and there are several things which I can do and they cannot.

As for power, it comes from many places, orgasms included for how is an orgasm achieved except from the most powerful tool, the human brain? I can 'think' myself an orgasm, that's a pretty powerful thing, but make no mistake it's the sole ability of my brain. It's just a perk. If you get the chance to read The Science of the Sexes, you'll see that when a woman is pregnant and the fetus is to be a male, so much testosterone is dumped into that little body that it severs, literal burns the neurons, in vitro, which connect the hemisphere's. I didn't make that up. The male brain is less efficient than the females. So, whilst tongue in cheek, the supreme power comes from the human brain, not the end of a sword. Since a woman has a layout which is more efficient, has more neurological connections, she must reign supreme.

I have absolutely no doubt I could both survive and thrive.. and more than that, I'm willing to share what I know with other women and help them survive and thrive as well and in turn, they too, will share with me, as we each utilize those skills, talents and abilities which we do best.

Now, all that said, if you believe that supremacy stems from the ability to survive in the wilderness, and the need for such has long since past, perhaps never to be seen again in your lifetime ::or your grandchildren's:: would you agree that by your criteria, that men do not reign supreme as the basis for that criteria does not hold true in modern times?

Celeste




IronBear -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/28/2006 9:24:09 AM)

No I don't agree at all. I do not believe that any one gender is ultimately suited to rule the entire world. There are men such as I who are better adapted to rule our holdings than most. I know women who are also better suited to rule thir holdings than most. I was brought up to understand that it was place to rule. But as my Father, Grandfather and Grand Mother all told me on numerous occasions as I was growing up, I may have been born to rule, but I better learn how to lead. The world has changed since then and the Aristocracy has declined (mores the pity) but it was the military (both Australian and US) which trained me to be a leader.

As far as surviving in the wilderness. 50% of my mercinary teams over many years were women. Some trained by me or other SF personell in S/E Asia, some trained by the FFL and others trained by Israel. Every one of those women would survive in conditions which I doubt (and hope) that you have never experienced.

Now regarding the power of an orgasm.... As I commented in another thread, CM is just the wrong place for me to virtually write a text book on sex magick, however I will state that I am not inexperienced in the regular use of it and have used it effect for the last 37 years.....

My original comments were simply a poor and obviously unsuccessfull attempt to tease you. I am the first to admitt that I am lacking in the "normal" humour department, either in application or the understanding of it. If you found such attempts by me offensive, my appologies......




cloudboy -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/28/2006 9:50:06 AM)

Most female supremacists have the buffer of a male-slave-correspondence manager. Did you factor this variable into your scientific polling technique?




IronBear -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/28/2006 10:11:07 AM)

Do you think this is the case? I thought it was due to the regular attacks on them by male supremisists that they had hit the matresses and kept their heads down and their arses out of the gun fire......




BitaTruble -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/28/2006 10:22:08 AM)

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My original comments were simply a poor and obviously unsuccessfull attempt to tease you. I am the first to admitt that I am lacking in the "normal" humour department, either in application or the understanding of it. If you found such attempts by me offensive, my appologies......


Quite the contrary IB, I absolutely delight in reading your posts and was not offended in the least and hope you don't think that 'my' original post was meant as anything other than tongue in cheek. Truly, this thread does belong in random stupidity because the very idea of one's gender being a determining factor in supremacy is laughable. :) If one uses science as the sole criteria, I could make an excellent case as to how it would be impossible for one to have a genetic predisposition for supremacy based on gender. ::chuckles::

It seems, however, that since you don't truly believe in male supremacy, RealOne is going to have to take away a point from the 'mans' side which brings us back to even.

Unless of course, he awards the women a point for brain efficiency. ::laughs::

;)

Celeste




BitaTruble -> RE: Supreme-E-est of Supreme (2/28/2006 10:26:46 AM)

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Now regarding the power of an orgasm.... As I commented in another thread, CM is just the wrong place for me to virtually write a text book on sex magick, however I will state that I am not inexperienced in the regular use of it and have used it effect for the last 37 years.....


I'm responding to this separately because, being one who does practice the Tantric arts, I would be most interested in such a discussion, so hope you will reconsider starting a thread. Such could be in the off-topic forum if nothing else.

With highest regards.. no tongue in cheek there..

Celeste




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