tazzygirl
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no excuses. Science requires, among other things, that everything be proven... and on that basis, many atheists try and discount the faith some have in god.
Exactly. Faith is precisely the belief in something despite evidence. When science says "proven", by the way, it does so because the repeated testing of the notion consistently and deomnstrably shows replicated results.
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However, science also reuires a certain amount of faith... such as the faith that you have a brain, unless you have the ability to take it out and display it.
Poor example. Science makes the brain visible. It's not "faith" that allows those machines they scan your bags with at airports to tell you mistakenly put a pair of shears in your pocketbook. The security people aren't "seeing" or "touching" it with their own senses directly when that happens. Yet, the mechanisms and tools they are using to determine its reality are sound and, those shears can demonstrably and continuously be shown to be there. Brain MRI's will consistently and demonstrably show the existence of a brain. If tests this absurd were really necessarily, the local coroner could do it for you just fine.
Now, if you wanted to talk about certain theoretical sciences (quantum mechanics, early-moment astrophysics) then maybe some "guessing" is done based on available information...but that is certainly not "faith" because there is no determined investment that those ideas are "true" until evidence shows them to be.
"Faith" again, is believing something fervently to be true when there is no reason for it to be.
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Science can prove heat by the energy it emits... it proves cold only by the basis of the LACK of that energy.
You are mistakenly paralleling the scientific concept of heat to what you refer to as "hot" or "cold", which are only individual assessment of temperature. And even those can be adequately measured (check your local thermometer).
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Alot of what we "know" is based upon a form of faith, such as i have faith i have a brain, i have not touched it, i have not seen it. nor have i seen yours. in order to prove you, or i, have a brain, we have to be able to allow it to be under scrutiny of the five senses... the basic level of science... then allow for the retesting of that "proof" over and over again.
"Evidence" is not your personal experience of something. It is the demonstrable and repeated testing of something with replicated results. This is an intentionally disingenuous comparison. Refer to me "shears in the pocketbook" comments earlier. No "faith" needed.
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All it provides is a representative of the brain. you cannot actually see it, all you can view is what the scan shows as a representation.
You realize that our eyes are just organic machines that function is a similar way that the MRI machines we use do, right? The only thing that makes either reliable is if they demonstrate consistent factuality. And an MRI machine is just as reliable as our eyes.
So unless something is scientifically proven... it does not exist? you require scientific proof?
Surely with all the intelligent people posting here, someone can answer this.
< Message edited by tazzygirl -- 8/4/2009 1:10:19 PM >
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