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pyroaquatic -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 1:58:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Mine is such that I am a supergenius, probably the only one extant.



I am confused as to what this supergenius term means. I demand an explanation!

[&:]




GotSteel -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 2:22:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

Them is all quotes from the Old Testament, which is not Christian.


Um what could that possibly have to do with whether or not the bible advocates smut, ignorance, bullshit, hate, pious fraud, murder etc? The Old Testament is in the bible isn't it?

However you do propose a topic that some might find interesting so I started another thread about whether  Christians should disregard The Law?




Rule -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 2:26:11 PM)

Ordinary people / scientists may have only one truly original idea / solution for a problem in their life.
Geniuses have about six truly original ideas in their lifetime.
Supergenius can produce one just about every moment of the day. E.g. my fathoming the function of zebra stripes in cooling the animal and the process of cooling their brain.




FullCircle -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 2:38:36 PM)

Can't you do something more useful with your supergenius like invent an unlimited non controversial power source?




Rule -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 2:42:06 PM)

I already did. The problem is that such people are thrown out of windows.




FullCircle -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 2:48:34 PM)

Yeah I hear they did that with the person that invented never ending light bulbs but not the person that invented Perspex.

edit: Persepx = Perspex




pyroaquatic -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 2:57:54 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Ordinary people / scientists may have only one truly original idea / solution for a problem in their life.
Geniuses have about six truly original ideas in their lifetime.
Supergenius can produce one just about every moment of the day. E.g. my fathoming the function of zebra stripes in cooling the animal and the process of cooling their brain.


Ah. I wonder if I am a supergenius. Nah... maybe a superdumbass (I downplay myself lots.)

As for the unlimited energy sources.... 0_0

I don't know about that. The police really don't like that particular law broken.

Although I do fantasize about sterling engines that maintain temperature difference by one part being in the sun and another existing underground.

I live in florida, which is mostly undersea level.... and it gets so bloody hot!

I come up with one original idea a day or more. I cannot hold if it is useful, practical, or even makes sense.




Brain -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:00:23 PM)

Einstein letter calls Bible 'pretty childish' - Faith- msnbc.com

Famous scientist also dismisses belief in God as product of human weakness

updated 3:16 p.m. ET, Tues., May 13, 2008

LONDON - Albert Einstein: arch rationalist or scientist with a spiritual core?

A letter being auctioned in London this week adds more fuel to the long-simmering debate about the Nobel Prize-winning physicist's religious views. In the note, written the year before his death, Einstein dismissed the idea of God as the product of human weakness and the Bible as "pretty childish."

The letter, handwritten in German, is being sold by Bloomsbury Auctions on Thursday and is expected to fetch between $12,000 and $16,000.


Einstein, who helped unravel the mysteries of the universe with his theory of relativity, expressed complex and arguably contradictory views on faith, perceiving a universe suffused with spirituality while rejecting organized religion.

The letter up for sale, written to philosopher Eric Gutkind in January 1954, suggests his views on religion did not mellow with age.


In it, Einstein said that "the word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

"For me," he added, "the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions."

Addressing the idea that the Jews are God's chosen people, Einstein wrote that "the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them."

Bloomsbury spokesman Richard Caton said the auction house was "100 percent certain" of the letter's authenticity. It is being offered at auction for the first time, by a private vendor.

Quirky beliefs

John Brooke, emeritus professor of science and religion at Oxford University, said the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either.

"Like many great scientists of the past, he is rather quirky about religion, and not always consistent from one period to another," Brooke said.

Born to a Jewish family in Germany in 1879, Einstein said he went through a devout phase as a child before beginning to question conventional religion at the age of 12.

In later life, he expressed a sense of wonder at the universe and its mysteries — what he called a "cosmic religious feeling" — and famously said: "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

Letters shed light on Einstein’s love life

But he also said: "I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws."

Brooke said Einstein believed that "there is some kind of intelligence working its way through nature. But it is certainly not a conventional Christian or Judaic religious view."

Einstein's most famous legacy is the special theory of relativity, which makes the point that a large amount of energy could be released from a tiny amount of matter, as expressed in the equation e=mc2 (energy equals mass times the speed of light squared). The theory changed the face of physics, allowing scientists to make predictions about space and paving the way for nuclear power and the atomic bomb.

Einstein's musings on science, war, peace and God helped make him world famous, and his scientific legacy prompted Time magazine to name him its Person of the 20th Century.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24598856/




pyroaquatic -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:12:29 PM)

Thank you Brain! May I eat you now?

</zombifies>




tazzygirl -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:12:59 PM)

NO! he is mine to eat.. gesh!




FullCircle -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:19:21 PM)

Quite funny for a man that spent his twilight years trying to form a single law that applied to the movement of large objects such as the planets and the movements of subatomic particles because he didn't like the probability aspect of quantum mechanics.

For him an answer from God would be conclusive and simplistic as he thought God wanted him to find the answers and once found it would be obvious they were the right answers from their inherent simplicity.

Anyway he died not finding this link, quite sad really.




Brain -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:27:58 PM)

I don't get it, why do you want to eat me? Did I do something stupid?

Obviously there isn't any such thing as God other than these immutable laws Einstein talks about, but I don't think that's a real God as to being somebody with a conscience making decisions and having a divine plan.

It really amazes me how people easily believe ridiculous stories about a man in the sky fathering a child on earth with an immaculate conception and they won't believe the obvious. And I'm not talking about anyone on here necessarily, people that I meet and talk to in my life.

And when I say obvious I'm talking about Darwin and evolution and astronomy, you know, science. Everything Darwin said 200 years ago is verified and corroborated by recent scientific discoveries and his theory is stronger more valid today.




pyroaquatic -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:31:34 PM)

Brain... you did nothing wrong.

Who says God has a conscience? God has not told me as such.




tazzygirl -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:31:39 PM)

and then there are people like me, Brain, who believe in both.




Brain -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 3:40:16 PM)

If you watched that show The Elegant Universe that was on PBS that I posted earlier and you can watch it online they actually think right now that they have the answer Einstein was working on but time ran out and he died.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html

They have taken Einstein's theory of relativity and Newton's law of gravity and quantum mechanics and electromagnetism and all the other theories and combined them into one theory of everything, the holy Grail of modern physics. And they call it M theory. It's a great show hosted by Brian Greene who wrote the book The Elegant Universe.




stella41b -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 5:35:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Obviously there isn't any such thing as God other than these immutable laws Einstein talks about, but I don't think that's a real God as to being somebody with a conscience making decisions and having a divine plan.



An abstract truth is always relative to individual perception. The only universal truth is one concerning something concrete, i.e. made of matter.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

It really amazes me how people easily believe ridiculous stories about a man in the sky fathering a child on earth with an immaculate conception and they won't believe the obvious. And I'm not talking about anyone on here necessarily, people that I meet and talk to in my life.



Ever heard of a metaphor or a symbol? But you know I made this point some pages back but I dunno... was I using words which were too difficult for you?

But is this the sum total of your argument after googling, finding and posting verbatim academic articles with big fancy words from scientists on this thread?

But you know until you have personally encountered God as a living or inanimate concrete being or thing then you are dealing with an abstract concept. Now you can ridicule and piss on other people's beliefs as much as you like and post as many intelligent sounding articles and links as you wish but you are not proving any universal truth, you are not proving anything obvious, and you are not stating a fact while God remains an abstract concept.

Lesson 2 - There is a difference between a fact and an opinion. Try to learn the difference.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brain

And when I say obvious I'm talking about Darwin and evolution and astronomy, you know, science. Everything Darwin said 200 years ago is verified and corroborated by recent scientific discoveries and his theory is stronger more valid today.


And that to you proves that God doesn't exist?

Interesting...




NihilusZero -> RE: Define God (8/8/2009 11:06:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

I am confused as to what this supergenius term means. I demand an explanation!

[&:]


Wile E. Coyote.....




GotSteel -> RE: Define God (8/9/2009 5:46:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: stella41b


But you know until you have personally encountered God as a living or inanimate concrete being or thing then you are dealing with an abstract concept. 



and once you have personally encountered God as a living or inanimate concrete being then you are dealing with schizophrenia.





LaTigresse -> RE: Define God (8/9/2009 5:51:17 AM)

using fast reply.........

To ME, god is simply an energy that connects us all.




chiaThePet -> RE: Define God (8/9/2009 9:20:39 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

using fast reply.........

To ME, god is simply an energy that connects us all.


OMG!

Runs down to the local power grid and falls to knees.

"Lord won't you buy me a Mercedes-Benz"

chia* (the pet)




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