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Venatrix -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 7:22:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

 Whoever is responsible for Collarme surely didn't intend it to end up this way. I don't think you could say the same thing about Alt as that site is clearly all about money. I can't say about Bondage as I never joined it.

 
I think you're being rather naïve.  CollarMe has ended up exactly as intended:  it was set up to make money and it's doing just that.  It wasn't set up as a public service to help people find their match.  What do you think all the adverts are for? 
 
In all honesty, though, I've never had any luck at munches.  The same wankers on CM show up in person.  It's a combination of a lot of men having thoroughly appalling manners and watching too much femdom porn.

If I ever do decide to look for a partner again, and nobody works out from the circle of male friends that I have now, I'll probably go back to vanilla and see if I can convert someone.  At least he'd be trained to my specifications, rather than "Mistress, I want this.  Mistress, I want that."[:'(]
 
CollarMe is one tool in the toolbox.  If you don't like the way it's designed, use another tool or design and manufacture your own.  As it turns out, all of the male friends I have, I have encountered through CM, so perhaps success will yet be in my future.




stella41b -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 7:58:52 AM)

I'm not sure that the spammers and scammers are the real problem, but just part of the real issue. I think it's a combination of the widespread expansion of the Internet, social changes over the past twenty or so years and mass misconception fuelled by the aggressive promotion of the free market economy together with the generally dumbing down in the media and culture in general.

People are pretty much the same as they've always been, especially if you scratch the surface, but I feel that a lot of them take this trend of neoconsumerism way too far. Sometimes I get the overall impression that such things as commitment, personal integrity and effort have gone out of fashion and that a frighteningly large number of people are unable to really comprehend anything not directly related to their genitalia, finances or having a good time.

There seems to be a hardcore minority who haven't succumbed to either blanket scepticism or an almost childlike gullibility when it comes to meeting other people off the Internet or using advanced technology as part of their social network and there are those who feel that they can get what they want without any display or development of realistic social skills.

Today you can do almost anything online - manage a bank account, pay bills, do your shopping, book flights, and I find some people adopt pretty much the same strategies when it comes to meeting people.

I think some people would be happy if this site was revamped into TrolleyMe - the online Sex and Kink Superstore where products would be just like products on a shelf with the appropriate labelling - 'Extra Kinky', 'Fitbin', 'slimline', '30% extra free', 'genuine', and all profiles arranged into neat aisles 'dommes', 'male doms', 'trannies', 'couples', 'sissy maids', 'subbies', 'slaves' where you could just log in, go to the relevant section, find the relevant profile, read it through, make comparisons and voila, without much effort or time spent you have your relationship and can wear your 'decent and successful member of society' badge with pride.

I guess in a way you could call it the 'punter mentality', you know, just like a normal punter, with details of what they want, their kinks, their needs, their tick box checklists of desires who are only interested in getting what they want without bothering to get to know you or even finding out what you are seeking or indeed have to offer. It's all about them.

And these are precisely the reason why we have scammers, spammers, the phenomenon of the 'online tribute' and so on because such people see others as stupid, gullible, easy prey and very much in the same way as a spider builds a web or a hunter builds a trap they set out their bait and lures hoping to catch the gullible, the stupid, and the selfish.

And it would appear that collectively at least there's quite a market of such people out there for the taking.

Now you can blame the spammers and scammers all you like but that isn't going to get you very far. It's kind of like blaming someone for being unemployed or homeless or for that matter for being poor. You can ban and exclude them from websites such as this, but they're just going to keep on coming back. Why? Because their potential prey is still here.

It's a bit like fighting crime, drug dealing, even terrorism, you remove the opportunities and the reasons which motivate people to do such things. But you can't because who is to say who is being gullible, stupid or selfish? We can only make such judgments based on our own experiences and observations, assumptions and suppositions, but collectively we're never really going to achieve a set standard which can be applied unversally.

It is unfortunately the trend of 'I'm alright Jack' and 'every man for himself' and this is about all you can do. I know, it's not much comfort if you're spending night after night looking, putting in effort to have a decent profile, good photos and are sending messages. It's like playing a lottery, betting at the race track, most times you lose but sometimes you win and when you're winning it's good.

My own strategy has been to give up looking, and not to take things too seriously, at least not until there's a realistic chance of meeting in real time and then even holding back until it does become real time. I'm open but realistic, will correspond or reply to people who write relevant things and just ignore them if they don't.

But sometimes I will succumb to the urge and write back. Like recently I had a domme write me and tell me 'your profile is way too long. you need to shut the f*ck up and understand your position. Wanna chat? Go to a freakin Tupperware party. Be careful what you ask for.'

I simply wrote back, 'Thanks for your reply and unsolicited opinion. My profile is there to get attention and cause someone to write to me. You replied. It works.'

I'm largely unaffected by the fakes, flakes, scammers, spammers, HNGs, drama queens, but you know I don't get upset by them because often they make damn good entertainment. Much better than television.

And you don't need a TV licence either.




anthrosub -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 8:24:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

 Whoever is responsible for Collarme surely didn't intend it to end up this way. I don't think you could say the same thing about Alt as that site is clearly all about money. I can't say about Bondage as I never joined it.

 
I think you're being rather naïve.  CollarMe has ended up exactly as intended:  it was set up to make money and it's doing just that.  It wasn't set up as a public service to help people find their match.  What do you think all the adverts are for? 
 
In all honesty, though, I've never had any luck at munches.  The same wankers on CM show up in person.  It's a combination of a lot of men having thoroughly appalling manners and watching too much femdom porn.

If I ever do decide to look for a partner again, and nobody works out from the circle of male friends that I have now, I'll probably go back to vanilla and see if I can convert someone.  At least he'd be trained to my specifications, rather than "Mistress, I want this.  Mistress, I want that."[:'(]
 
CollarMe is one tool in the toolbox.  If you don't like the way it's designed, use another tool or design and manufacture your own.  As it turns out, all of the male friends I have, I have encountered through CM, so perhaps success will yet be in my future.


Well I understand your point but I can tell you that Collarme had very few ads here several years ago. It was recommended to me through an email group and touted as a very good BDSM matching site. That was in 2004.




BOUNTYHUNTER -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 8:25:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Blocking certain IP addresses in Africa would clear out about 90% of the scams.

But it would reduce "page view" percentages as well.

Firm

I agree
100% with you on this one firm, If I don't have t least 15 messages from africa then I am having a bad day..As a long time member I never thought collar me with top shelf but that could just be me..bounty 




pyroaquatic -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 8:28:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic
I thought it was a place of mutilated english,

Threadjacking, but...

speaking of mutilated English, pyro, your Housman quote is missing a piece.  The first two lines of that poem are, "Good creatures do you love your lives / And have you ears for sense?"

It was one of my faves, back 2 million years ago when I was about your age.



fixed. Adding a quote at 2 am is a fun exercise. I've kept that quote close to my heart since the ninth grade. Closer than the knife.


So yesterday I got a flood of Scammers... you know the ones where they have 26 slaves and they are for real... for rizzle..... or better yet....

i am looking for 1 on 1 sex.... add me.

another one was a little more personal and led to.... go here, then go here.

Credit Card but it is free? Okay. No.

I said no and they decided it would be fun to repeat.... "I'm Sorry? I'm Sorry? I'm Sorry?" until I blocked them.

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My own strategy has been to give up looking, and not to take things too seriously, at least not until there's a realistic chance of meeting in real time and then even holding back until it does become real time. I'm open but realistic, will correspond or reply to people who write relevant things and just ignore them if they don't.


Stella lady I am slowly adopting this policy. I am still in my cocoon a bit.





Hillwilliam -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 9:08:02 AM)

W/we get what we pay for folks.  As for the ones that dont seem "real"  I dont pay any attention to them and instead use My time a bit more wisely and look at the ones that are.




LadyPact -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 9:57:34 AM)

Here's what I think the real issue is:

Part of what Red said is correct.  Part of this is supply and demand.  In the pro arena, the economy is having an influence on some people trying to make a buck.  Attractive females are hoping this might be a medium for helping them to achieve that goal.  I don't actually blame the females for that.  I blame the males who are more interested in that hot picture than actual Dominance or skill.  As soon as it works for someone, word travels and ten more join up.

In the meantime, as more nonsense is coming in, more folks with actual interest in BDSM are going out.  They have either found what they were looking for and are no longer using the site, they found another site with less moderation, or getting tired of sifting through the bs (which, don't forget is growing as more folks are coming in that don't have a clue).  That only furthers to imbalance the ratio.  At least on the forum side, a lot of people have left who were long time members and contributors.  The scales continue to tip with more bs weighing in than BDSM.  This actually brings more of the scammers to us.

The site itself, I believe, is not here for any of this.  It is making those advertising dollars and so are the sponors.  In case you haven't noticed, those are geared primarily towards porn.  Sorry, but that's also not falling to the females.  The males get the credit for that, too, since almost all of it is geared to, and purchased by males. 

So, while I'm not into gender bashing in anyway, it is the males who have helped to drive this trend.  Part of the evidence is in this very thread.  We've got one who is saying the site is likened to AFF and the biggest fantasist on the boards who has brought more bs to the forums than damn near any poster in recent history (check his past thread topics) calling those of us who actively participate in wiitwd fantasists.

Personally, I have to say the site has worked for Me.  Not because I've found a partner through it, but I have to say that I've met more people, at least on a friendly basis, than most.  I've often toyed with the idea of starting a thread and just calling it "People I've Had Fun With" because I've had the pleasure of meeting them at events, for dinner, for a drink, and yes, some of them, I just plain played with.  My estimate on this is at least a hundred and is probably approaching two hundred. 

There's still a good group of folks that actually want to get together and have fun.  The problem is, we let the scammers and the bs artists take center stage way too often.  Quit feeding the trolls, and they will either starve or find greener pastures.




pleasuredancer -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 10:32:36 AM)

I have been on bondage since... 2002 or 2003, something like that, and am an early member of Fetlife. The internet has exploded since then, and even since before then, giving a chance for all the closet wankers of the world to come out and play with the kinky people. As kink becomes more mainstream, we have to deal with the fact that what we do is talk freely about sex, and that will attract all kinds of people looking for free fap fodder.

But the other piece to this is that our perceptions change. I go onto bondage once in a blue moon now and see the same topics I saw when I was new. Many years ago, they were wise and profound, now they are trite and superficial. When I was new there, I got silly emails from silly people who are no where near my type. Now I get silly emails from silly people who are no where near my type. There are more people there, but probably the percentage of people who know what they are doing has stayed the same, due to the fact that classes and information how-tos are much more available now.

So, the larger pool is both annoying and beneficial. There are more people who are only playing at this as a game, but there are also more people who know what they are doing.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 3:29:40 PM)

Im no longer just a troll. I went out tonight to a munch in Dublin. I have to say I was rather disappointed though. It was all male. There were no Females at the BDSM group as there usually are. The explanation was a Fetish ball which is big for Women apparently was on in the city at much the same time. That solved the puzzle for me. I do think though that if they could arrange a Ball on a different night to the munch nights it would be preferable. But then again its a free society. People can choose.
Kevin




VanIsleKnight -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 6:48:20 PM)

So, what's a person to do if they're interested in the culture and the fun, but live in a relatively laid back city where this sort of thing isn't that easy to find or entirely non-existent?  I suppose I -could- go to Vancouver every so often, but big cities intimidate me and I wouldn't be able to afford to go that often until after I finish school.




Venatrix -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 9:06:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Im no longer just a troll. I went out tonight to a munch in Dublin.



Kevin, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but you're really starting to grow on me.  You have a certain je ne sais quoi.




LadyPact -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 9:12:54 PM)

I think I just threw up a little.




Rule -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/8/2009 9:45:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Im no longer just a troll. I went out tonight to a munch in Dublin.



Kevin, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but you're really starting to grow on me.  You have a certain je ne sais quoi.

He is a slave, I suspect, behaving true to type. Unfortunately, instead of recognizing his nature, he has been villified by some because of it.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/9/2009 1:10:31 AM)

I actually prefer to think of myself as a submissive. Slave sounds artificial given that I m not serving anyone presently and unowned slave does not make sense.  If thats the case , then 90% of the ordinary community are unowned slaves.  They dont serve anyone for no pay so they could be considered unowned slaves. Laughs. No its ridiculous.  Submissive is far more in touch with the reality of who I am
Kevin




Venatrix -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/9/2009 6:36:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

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ORIGINAL: lobodomslavery

Im no longer just a troll. I went out tonight to a munch in Dublin.



Kevin, I'm embarrassed to admit this, but you're really starting to grow on me.  You have a certain je ne sais quoi.

He is a slave, I suspect, behaving true to type. Unfortunately, instead of recognizing his nature, he has been villified by some because of it.


I also have a strong suspicion that he's making fools out of the rest of us, rather than the other way around.  After all, we're the ones who keep coming back to feed at the trough.




lobodomslavery -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/9/2009 6:58:40 AM)

No Im just here for the craic. And I dont for the life of me see how I could be seen as an attractive catch by any of the mature Dommes here.  After all I do not have anything to offer a prospective Mistress at this present time. Certainly not money. Hence why Im not seriously looking.  But Im glad if I have a certain je ne sais quoi. Thank You for the compliment
Kevin




anthrosub -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/9/2009 9:09:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: VanIsleKnight

So, what's a person to do if they're interested in the culture and the fun, but live in a relatively laid back city where this sort of thing isn't that easy to find or entirely non-existent?  I suppose I -could- go to Vancouver every so often, but big cities intimidate me and I wouldn't be able to afford to go that often until after I finish school.


There's really no advice to be given except keep following your nose. Trying to meet someone in person is pretty much just as impossible as it is online. Big cities and the areas that attract lots of tourists and the "young and beautiful" (like Florida) have lots of Dommes for hire because that's where the money is. Then there's the exploding population of people who are getting into BDSM for the same reason they go out on weekends...to play, nothing more. Generally speaking, people who are looking for a relationship where BDSM happens to be an important ingredient are essentially ignored or worse because they have a different set of values and priorities. Remote regions simply don't have enough venues for exposure and only a handful of people interested in this lifestyle. I think you will find that most people who have found each other did so through chance. In other words, they weren't looking when they met.

I've been to meetings in person and attended some munches and it's always the same...mostly men. Of the women who attend, most are submissives and those who are Dominant already have a partner (or more). I've come to accept this is just the way it is due to the nature of how BDSM is regarded, the perception of what it's all about, the ratio of men to women, cultural attitudes towards sex and gender, the advent of the Internet...all of it combines to make it very difficult to meet someone in a reasonable period of time. And even if you do, the next hurdle is are you a good match which rarely happens with the first person you are lucky to meet.

So all I can say is hang in there. Either you will eventually meet someone or reach the age where none of this no longer matters.




sabis -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/9/2009 10:16:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
(As a 51 year old male Pro sub, somewhat taller than my hair, a smidge overweight, {but....I have all my teeth!} I demand a woman {okay....most of my own teeth} who can take care of me in the style {okay....fine...fuck all of you...I have a tooth}


Thank you for a delightful giggle this morning. :)

In His service,

~sabis,
Owned by Cumulus




SoulPiercer -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/9/2009 10:48:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

I think it just bothers me that this amazing resource that could offer so much potential for finding a partner has been completely hobbled by a bunch of morons.



Alfred Nobel most likely felt the same way about dynamite. History is full of amazing resources with so much potential, yet end up being hobbled by a bunch of morons.




anthrosub -> RE: Collarme Profiles and Messages (8/9/2009 12:10:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SoulPiercer

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ORIGINAL: anthrosub

I think it just bothers me that this amazing resource that could offer so much potential for finding a partner has been completely hobbled by a bunch of morons.



Alfred Nobel most likely felt the same way about dynamite. History is full of amazing resources with so much potential, yet end up being hobbled by a bunch of morons.


Thanks for the reminder. It helps to expand the perspective to other areas so we don't feel like it's only here that such things manifest themselves.




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