• Red triangle — political prisoners (social democrats, trade unionists, liberals, communists, Freemasons, anarchists.) Some anarchists, and other "enemies of the state," were also given a black triangle.
  
• Green triangle — "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).
  
• Blue triangle — foreign forced laborers, emigrants.
  
• Pink triangle — sexual offenders which included homosexuals along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.
  
• Purple triangle — "Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).
  
• Black triangle — people who were deemed "asocial elements,"
  
• Brown triangle — Roma (Gypsies)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I hate fanatics…here in Missouri there was a town hall meeting on aging. A large crowd of mostly senior citizens had gathered to get information on the proposed healthcare legislation. They consisted of people of all political affiliations.

A small group of the local Tea Party Coalition split into two groups…one entering the building and the other passing out fliers outside and blocking the entrance.

The group inside disrupted the meeting not allowing anyone to speak… they were shouting Sieg Heil and Tea party slogans.

Outside they assaulted a minister who was trying to stop them from blocking the entrance to the building dislocating his shoulder.

Then three black union extremists showed up and because one of the Tea Party extremists was also black they called him the N word then punched him in the face.

Local Republican Party representatives disavow the Tea Party calling it a grass roots coalition. The black union rep said his people did not assault anyone yet the three were arrested after witnesses said they did.

Damn the extremists on both sides… I don’t think Sanity is condoning this behavior of Tea Party extremist…he just does not know the true details of their actions. I do because three people I know were there… The funny thing all three are conservatives… They said they were ashamed of the Tea Party disruptors and they were trying to provoke a response.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Contrary to the campaign slogan-ism Guantanamo is still open and active - Maybe now we know why. Perhaps there are plans for it to be the first camp to house the 'Dissonants'? At least it provides an answer as to why the Administration, with a filibuster proof plurality, doesn't close it with a pen-stoke?

A previous regime, similarly intent on curtailing criticism, already has provided a nice color code for identification purposes:

• Red triangle — political prisoners (social democrats, trade unionists, liberals, communists, Freemasons, anarchists.) Some anarchists, and other "enemies of the state," were also given a black triangle.
  
• Green triangle — "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).
  
• Blue triangle — foreign forced laborers, emigrants.
  
• Pink triangle — sexual offenders which included homosexuals along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.
  
• Purple triangle — "Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).
  
• Black triangle — people who were deemed "asocial elements,"
  
• Brown triangle — Roma (Gypsies)

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Are you actually suggesting that this Administration has a secret plan to arrest and illegally detain citizens?
You are ,of course joking ....are you not?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Contrary to the campaign slogan-ism Guantanamo is still open and active - Maybe now we know why. Perhaps there are plans for it to be the first camp to house the 'Dissonants'? At least it provides an answer as to why the Administration, with a filibuster proof plurality, doesn't close it with a pen-stoke?

A previous regime, similarly intent on curtailing criticism, already has provided a nice color code for identification purposes:

• Red triangle — political prisoners (social democrats, trade unionists, liberals, communists, Freemasons, anarchists.) Some anarchists, and other "enemies of the state," were also given a black triangle.
  
• Green triangle — "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).
  
• Blue triangle — foreign forced laborers, emigrants.
  
• Pink triangle — sexual offenders which included homosexuals along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.
  
• Purple triangle — "Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).
  
• Black triangle — people who were deemed "asocial elements,"
  
• Brown triangle — Roma (Gypsies)

Ah Godwin. The final retreat of someone who cannot defend his position.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Things are evolving, things were different initially. Obama has called up his Acorn people and his Union people like you say,  and the tea party activists are responding to the White House's call to "hit back twice as hard" with their own mobilization.

Things are indeed getting very ugly, but put the blame where it is due.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

The point is the blame is with extremists on both sides... not people mobilized by Obama or the Republican Party...

What we need is both sides to step up and condemn these actions of extremists rather then set back and blame the other party.

Which you are doing… you are falling into the trap and being used by the very extremists you are ranting against.


Butch

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

quote:

Are you actually suggesting that this Administration has a secret plan to arrest and illegally detain citizens?
You are ,of course joking ....are you not?

First a Fascist agenda of Nationalizing Industries, followed by directing attacks on critics; I'm pointing out a trend which points to a situation having historical similarities to another regime. A joke? Today it is, also with historical relevance.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Contrary to the campaign slogan-ism Guantanamo is still open and active - Maybe now we know why. Perhaps there are plans for it to be the first camp to house the 'Dissonants'? At least it provides an answer as to why the Administration, with a filibuster proof plurality, doesn't close it with a pen-stoke?

A previous regime, similarly intent on curtailing criticism, already has provided a nice color code for identification purposes:

• Red triangle — political prisoners (social democrats, trade unionists, liberals, communists, Freemasons, anarchists.) Some anarchists, and other "enemies of the state," were also given a black triangle.
  
• Green triangle — "habitual criminals" (convicts, ofttimes Kapos, serving in exchange for reduced sentences or parole).
  
• Blue triangle — foreign forced laborers, emigrants.
  
• Pink triangle — sexual offenders which included homosexuals along with rapists, bestiality and pedophiles.
  
• Purple triangle — "Bible Students" (Jehovah's Witnesses).
  
• Black triangle — people who were deemed "asocial elements,"
  
• Brown triangle — Roma (Gypsies)

Ah Godwin. The final retreat of someone who cannot defend his position.

Interesting perspective DK.

It would seem the position that is indefensible is rebuttal. The activities presented by all the links document the response by the Democratic Party. I represent they are no better or worse than the GOP, but you seem to see a distinction.

Since you are the one avoiding the reference - What's up with Gitmo? I remember it being the FIRST thing this Administration signed - Its still open and occupied. Why?

Another question would be what position am I defending?

See my comment for what it is - an attack, not a retreat, on the hypocrisy of the Administration as well as the party in control of the White House, and Congress.

No vote, policy, action, or LACK of action; can be pointed to any other party.

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You invoked Godwin there can be no further useful dialog, not there ever was any chance of that anyway.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The point of the thread was to ask for evidence that the initial dissenters were actually extremists as you claim, or if they were in fact true grass roots activists.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I rarely stay in a room with a group of people having a discussion and said discussion boils down to name calling and belittlement. Its not a sign of intelligence.. but a sign of weakness when that happens. i leave you all to your discussions.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You invoked Godwin there can be no further useful dialogue, not there ever was any chance of that anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Things are evolving, things were different initially. Obama has called up his Acorn people and his Union people like you say,  and the tea party activists are responding to the White House's call to "hit back twice as hard" with their own mobilization.

Things are indeed getting very ugly, but put the blame where it is due.

The point is the blame is with extremists on both sides... not people mobilized by Obama or the Republican Party...

What we need is both sides to step up and condemn these actions of extremists rather then set back and blame the other party.

Which you are doing… you are falling into the trap and being used by the very extremists you are ranting against.

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I rarely stay in a room with a group of people having a discussion and said discussion boils down to name calling and belittlement. Its not a sign of intelligence.. but a sign of weakness when that happens. i leave you all to your discussions.

Couldn't agree more, but it seems like a common tactic when people don't like having their side of a debate overwhelmed with pragmatic contrary facts.

Pity though, it eliminates coming to the one solution that would have a positive impact; voting against each and every incumbent at every level of government.

I appreciate the Administration's desire to get their agenda passed ASAP. I think it obvious to anyone that President Obama knew that the constituents would rebel and let their feelings be know when Congress went home for August. Now he'll have a fight from his own party when they return. He can't have a fight from any other source. The GOP is impotent, and only have a plurality with Democratic support.

The Administration and the Democratic Party leaders provided the ammunition for their constituency's reaction. They held up the Astroturf, they bring in references to Nazi's. From the White House they are told to "Punch back twice as hard!". A mirror is a very powerful weapon when its reflection generates a response of rhetoric and accusation instead of a confident commitment to their agenda. On the Health Care issue, if the program is so great - include yourself. Gitmo an unqualified embarrassment and failure - close it; international intervention into a sovereign countries, such as Iran or Afghanistan, worthy of apology - end ongoing examples of it.

Meanwhile, when cooler heads aren't obvious from the leaders such as Pelosi, Reid, and the White House; what hope is there that their followers, or their adversaries will? Unifying? Bi-Partisan? The inaugural seems like it was eight decades ago instead of eight months.

Worse than that, the reaction being observed in the face of challenge serves to indicate just how insecure they are with their position and the potential for success of their plan. I wonder if they weren't on the variety of PAC payrolls served by the health care program's implementation, if they would be attempting to pursue it at all. Obviously, when they leave the factual debate and have the reactions documented, they don't have a pragmatic confident response.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

You invoked Godwin there can be no further useful dialogue, not there ever was any chance of that anyway.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

You've invoked Goodwin's law in order to avoid the discussion and Merc's point.

From your own reference:

However, Godwin's Law itself can be abused, as a distraction, diversion or even censorship, that fallaciously miscasts an opponent's argument as hyperbole, especially if the comparisons made by the argument are actually appropriate. A 2005 Reason magazine article argued that Godwin's Law is often misused to ridicule even valid comparisons

Firm