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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/6/2009 8:03:30 PM

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unfortunately too many people believe that having as many children as they possibly can is their divine right. reproductive rights are waaaay too "sticky" if you will...

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/6/2009 8:08:03 PM

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Rule, the effective ways to cull the human herd are disease, war, and natural disaster. Birth control just has way too many side effects.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/7/2009 6:55:28 PM

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I am entirely in favor of population control, and the choice and access to use contraceptives. But this is just

Like there's a limited amount of space in heaven?

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/7/2009 7:36:50 PM

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... Im all for the vasectemies and the sterilization of women. By doing this you can pick and choose the best breeding pairs. Of course the couple would both have to consent to the breeding and pass many tests to show that they are capable and willing to raise a child.

The big problem with this is that there are no guarantees that the best breeding individuals will only couple with each other...

Unless you start getting into using genetics to determine who will be allowed to marry and procreate with whom. Talk about arranged marriages!

Of course, the answer to all this would be state controlled procreation. Women would be screened genetically for breeding, their eggs harvested and artificially fertilized with equally selective sperm donations. The fertilized eggs would be implanted into a surrogate mother that had been meticulously chosen who would incubate and carry the child until birth. Then, carefully screened couples who are deemed eligible to raise a child would be presented with a healthy and genetically perfect baby to be their very own.

Of course, you'd have to take steps to ensure that the eligible couple does, in fact, stay together to fulfill the obligation of raising the child to adulthood and that their circumstances (the ones that made them eligible in the first place) did not change over a period of 18 years.

Perhaps the only solution to that would be for the state to raise all the children. You know... it takes a village.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/7/2009 10:42:20 PM

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It's working great in China, if you don't mind the ramifications of violence, forced abortions, and female infanticide.

Well, China is considering on abolishing the one-child per family policy because the government is worried about the increase in the aging population. So, I believe DES was correct in the previous post.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/7/2009 10:50:34 PM

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As for the unpleasantness, the cause may be cultural. I trust that those will not occur to the same degree in Christian populations.

Start with the Vatican's opposition to birth control........

...then add fundamentalists pointing to Genesis, "go forth and multiply....'

.......stir in the not so peaceful way Christians "resolve" their current disputes......

Yeah. Piece of cake.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/7/2009 11:03:39 PM

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Whatever happened to "whatever I do behind closed doors is my business"? IF I wanna have a whole soccer team worth of lil crotch fruit, thats my right (provided that I can care for that many). IF I wanna have one, fine. IF I wanna do whatever it takes to NOT have children, guess what, my right too.

I find the whole "lottery" thing stupid. There are going to be people who get around it. Depending on the control methods used, they may not even work on a given number of women...

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 6:19:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Start with the Vatican's opposition to birth control........

Will change. Besides, the pope only pretends to be catholic.

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...then add fundamentalists pointing to Genesis, "go forth and multiply....'

The Old Testament does not apply to Christians.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 7:43:54 AM

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This whole thread is so badly thought through, what is anyone here talking about when they decide who should and shouldn't have kids, it is beside the point in any case:

For one thing the biggest problem in terms of population in the west is an aging population, not too many births. The birth-rate in the western world has been consistently dropping year on year. An aging population needs more and more children being born to service it, but this is unsustainable unless aided by immigration from other parts of the world.

Since we have no right to decide how birth control should work in developing countries (where the picture is different from the west) the discussion regarding birth control anywhere is pointless if conducted in the west.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 7:53:03 AM

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In a few million years this won't be a problem

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 7:54:10 AM

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For one thing the biggest problem in terms of population in the west is an aging population, not too many births. The birth-rate in the western world has been consistently dropping year on year. An aging population needs more and more children being born to service it, but this is unsustainable unless aided by immigration from other parts of the world.

That is no problem at all. Most of them can work until they die. Indeed, a large fraction of the population is purposely kept unemployed. All that is required are some political solutions.

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
Since we have no right to decide how birth control should work in developing countries (where the picture is different from the west) the discussion regarding birth control anywhere is pointless if conducted in the west.

That also is easily solved with a couple of political solutions.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 8:08:26 AM

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That is no problem at all. Most of them can work until they die. Indeed, a large fraction of the population is purposely kept unemployed. All that is required are some political solutions.

There are certain jobs they can do but certain jobs they can't such as the manual labour orientated ones that we all depend on. People can work until they die but most would probably not like such a prospect. Most people I know are looking forward to a period of time in their lives where they can indulge in their own hobbies and interests rather than working to exist and secure their future. The notion that people can work until they die assumes everyone likes what they do for a living and that if they don't they can easily change jobs and end up doing what they like, not the reality for most people with dependants.

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ORIGINAL: FullCircle
Since we have no right to decide how birth control should work in developing countries (where the picture is different from the west) the discussion regarding birth control anywhere is pointless if conducted in the west.

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That also is easily solved with a couple of political solutions.

Why would we change anything in the developing world? If the developing world was as nice a place to live as the developed world nobody would want to come work in the developed world. We keep it as it is because it suits us the way it is and anyone that thinks otherwise is naive.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 8:14:07 AM

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In a few million years this won't be a problem

The article suggests that by the time the y chromosome vanishes another difference in the x chromosome will come to distinguish two different sexes. In any case people are already working on techniques that will lead to single sex reproduction. So I expect by the point in time that the y chromosome vanishes these techniques would have been perfected so that two females could reproduce without a male.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 8:20:54 AM

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............ So I expect by the point in time that the y chromosome vanishes these techniques would have been perfected so that two females could reproduce without a male.

Where's the fun in that??

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 8:41:37 AM

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I know very few 94 year olds who can work. Nor any victims of multiple strokes. Nor any dementia patients. For those of you who think that such people are worthless, may I suggest you think about your own future? Because with attitudes like that towards your own parents, expect your offspring to think of you like that when it's your turn to be old and helpless.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 8:42:24 AM

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I kinda like the idea of lopping off the dick of any guy who has more than one child he does not support. I used to know a guy in L.A. that kept on fucking and bragging about his little offspring that he never went to see.

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 8:48:09 AM

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I know very few 94 year olds who can work. Nor any victims of multiple strokes. Nor any dementia patients. For those of you who think that such people are worthless, may I suggest you think about your own future? Because with attitudes like that towards your own parents, expect your offspring to think of you like that when it's your turn to be old and helpless.

Who said or thought they were worthless?

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RE: Population reduction through birth control? - 8/8/2009 9:09:33 AM

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There are certain jobs they can do but certain jobs they can't such as the manual labour orientated ones that we all depend on. People can work until they die but most would probably not like such a prospect. Most people I know are looking forward to a period of time in their lives where they can indulge in their own hobbies and interests rather than working to exist and secure their future. The notion that people can work until they die assumes everyone likes what they do for a living and that if they don't they can easily change jobs and end up doing what they like, not the reality for most people with dependants.

Further, if people were not working toward something, why would they work? Or as much?

The general populace tends to veer away from embracing their own slavery.

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