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McWhips -> RE: Financial issues (2/25/2006 10:32:14 AM)

Theres no smoke without fire. No ones delusional enough to complain to the manager of an Apple convention that there where too many oranges unless theres Oranges there.





seaturtle50 -> RE: Financial issues (2/25/2006 6:34:23 PM)

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Its a wonderfull theory and I would really love to believe it.


OK! Great! That will likely do allot for your inner-peace and general well-being!

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Reading between the lines on can see I am implying that not all Dommes are ideal themselves but at the end of the day one has to be honest and blunt about it as its not so much 'unfair' but 'disengenious' to statistically scrutinize only male subs but not Dommes as ultimatly we are all mortal humans and we vary, meaning that the catagory of Domme cannot be superflous.


While i had considerd this as well, in my opinion breaking this down in this way, or adding other parameters takes away your "child’s math" theory entirely. <Note: i am only capable of the "childs" version>.

Since people are "people," i had considered the personality quirks and such as equal (although the Dommes quirks are clearly "better" quirks) [:)] - So - i did not factor those considerations - and considered it a wash.

Bottom line? There is a Domme <read one special one if you like> Who is compatible to you and there is a Domme that is for me too. In my case, i need to get ready and prepare, lest i squander the opportunity when presented. My attitude is likely the first thing that will attract, or deflect Her kind notice of me.

The above statements are not deliberately exaggerated or a bias attempt for me to have an excuse just to be pessimistic and argue with you all, they are my attempt to ease your pain, even slightly.

st50




subtlesubie -> RE: Financial issues (2/26/2006 11:57:33 PM)

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A free ride?? You have no clue how much work financial domination is for the Dominant. They have to budget the sub's money and get the bills paid. They set forth an allowance for the sub, deal with investments, start and put money into the Christmas Clubs and savings, plan for future large expenditures (car, house) and emergencies and such. You're discussing your fantasy idea of what financial domination is, not reality. While controlling the purse strings does give you a lot of power it is also a hell of a lot of work with scary real world reprecussions for messing up.


Yeah financial dominatrices often have the best interests of their subs in mind. Just ask Princess Sierra.




BitaTruble -> RE: Financial issues (2/27/2006 12:10:37 AM)

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While male subs out number Dommes 100:1 and many of the relationships between those depend on money being given to the Domme in one form or another.

No-one can deny that fact.


Where is the scientific research to support that 'fact' because I'd like to read that research for myself.

Celeste




MarinaBlack -> RE: Financial issues (3/6/2006 9:14:23 PM)

She might have felt you were "testing" her.

They really don't like people talking about financial domination on this site - I understand we're not allowed to include that expression in our profiles.




SweetDommes -> RE: Financial issues (3/7/2006 10:41:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

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While male subs out number Dommes 100:1 and many of the relationships between those depend on money being given to the Domme in one form or another.

No-one can deny that fact.


Where is the scientific research to support that 'fact' because I'd like to read that research for myself.

Celeste


Yeah, I'm rather interested in it myself - since we've talked to many many submissives, and the closest we have come to asking them for money was a discussion of "if you move in, you will be expected to have at least a part time job to help with the bills." And you'd be amazed at how many balked at that - either because we would expect them to give up some of their money (to pay bills they helped to run up), or because they wanted to stay at home and be houseboys full time *rolls eyes*

For us, financial domination isn't our style - too much work, too much stress. Plus there is the fact that I, alone, make as much as all three of the other members of this household combined (and that's with rob having two jobs now). Why on earth would I want to control another $200/week from each of them when I don't want control of the $1,000/week or so that I make? That's Holly's job and she can have it.
But even then, she doesn't want all of their money. The corporal gives about $600/month to help with the mortgage and other bills, as well as the animals (he has adopted one of the cats as his, as well as brought in a toad, and a bunch of fish to add to our zoo; it's not like we're making him help pay for them when he doesn't have anything to do with them) - rob has always given us a little over half of what he makes, which varies depending on which job he's working and how many hours he gets at each. The closest thing to financial domination we get now that we have our two boys and we're all living together is that we insisted that the corporal get a savings account ... he had no money saved when we got together - he lived from paycheck to paycheck ... never starving on payday or anything, but still. Now, after almost 6 months (through me being unemployed for a month and him being off work for 3 weeks - both due to the same incident of him being injured by an inmate) he has about $250 saved. This may not seem like much, but that's a lot more money than he has had saved any time in the last 5 years. The money is in an account with his name on it - HE insisted that it have my name on it as well, which doesn't exactly make me happy, but this way I can go get money out for him if he doesn't have time to.

In my experience with r/l interactions with people - Dominants of both genders have expected money out of their submissives of both genders. This is NOT a strictly F/m phenomenon. I know F/f couples where the submissive is expected to turn over any and all earnings to the Dominant - same for M/f and M/m (although, in all honesty, I only know one M/m couple in r/l ... so they might be the exception?). I also know couples where the submissive actually does all the budgeting and such, because they are just better at it than the Dominant. Dominants and submissives are supposed to complement each other - if one is good at something and one isn't, it makes sense that the one who is good at it should do it, no matter which one is the Dominant.

And now that I've gotten way off track with respect to the OP - I think you need to understand that, for whatever reason, your question was misinterpreted. Tasha had a good suggestion on how to rephrase it for your next go around with a Domme, think about that for awhile. Eventually, you'll talk to someone else (or maybe her - she may see this thread and realize that you weren't being a jerk by asking) and you'll have the opportunity to bring the topic up again.




strob -> RE: Financial issues (3/8/2006 1:34:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: EarthGoddess52

This site has some sort of note on the Home Page about the mention of Financial Dominantion or compensation or exchange of money. I'm not sure how well Collarme screens their posts and message boards, but perhaps this is the reason She stopped communicating with you??? Perhaps you should have taken this discussion to a private email venue. Just a thought

theEarthGoddess


Discussion took place on yahoo messenger, so it has nothing to do with not been allowed to mention financial domination on collarme.
Anyway, we talked again yesterday and now she seems interested; she said that me mentioning financial domination, made her feel that I was thinking of her as a quote "whore like any other" unqote...
I can't say this makes sense to me because I didn't say "how much I have to pay for a session?"




SweetDommes -> RE: Financial issues (3/8/2006 9:50:58 AM)


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ORIGINAL: strob
(snip) she said that me mentioning financial domination, made her feel that I was thinking of her as a quote "whore like any other" unqote...
I can't say this makes sense to me because I didn't say "how much I have to pay for a session?"


One person's emotions rarely make sense to others ....




MarinaBlack -> RE: Financial issues (3/8/2006 3:12:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BeachMystress


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ORIGINAL: imtempting
In my opinion though, the people who enjoy it just want a free ride..



A free ride?? You have no clue how much work financial domination is for the Dominant. They have to budget the sub's money and get the bills paid. They set forth an allowance for the sub, deal with investments, start and put money into the Christmas Clubs and savings, plan for future large expenditures (car, house) and emergencies and such. You're discussing your fantasy idea of what financial domination is, not reality. While controlling the purse strings does give you a lot of power it is also a hell of a lot of work with scary real world reprecussions for messing up.


Here, here Sister.
Financial Domination = Responsibility = Work
It is not a shopping spree.




MarinaBlack -> RE: Financial issues (3/8/2006 3:21:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: diaperedbaby

I don't know that for all it is a free ride, but it is a trust issue to me. The other issue is, does the dom have the capability to effective manage the money? Again, another trust and expeience issue. Since I am older, it would have to be someone with a proven track record and a period of time to ensure I would have that confidence in them.
Just because someone is a dom doesn't mean they can manage finances.


Absolutely, but if one trusts another to be THEIR Domme and claims to be seeking TPE or 24/7, then financial domination MUST be included in the equation. If it's to be total domination then it's TOTAL DOMINATION.




strob -> RE: Financial issues (3/9/2006 12:51:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MarinaBlack
Absolutely, but if one trusts another to be THEIR Domme and claims to be seeking TPE or 24/7, then financial domination MUST be included in the equation. If it's to be total domination then it's TOTAL DOMINATION.


Just my thoughts, if it is total then is total, if just occassional play then it is fun domination.




thetammyjo -> RE: Financial issues (3/9/2006 6:22:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: strob


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ORIGINAL: MarinaBlack
Absolutely, but if one trusts another to be THEIR Domme and claims to be seeking TPE or 24/7, then financial domination MUST be included in the equation. If it's to be total domination then it's TOTAL DOMINATION.


Just my thoughts, if it is total then is total, if just occassional play then it is fun domination.



I'm just going to repeat what I said earlier about it being up to the owner.

If the owner does not want or desire the responsibility involved in financial domination, as BeachMystress and MarinaBlack have brought up, then they shouldn't do it.

Otherwise the owner is bending to the will of the owned. Would you call that TPE? Or would you call that service domination?




GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Financial issues (3/9/2006 3:26:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

I'm just going to repeat what I said earlier about it being up to the owner.

If the owner does not want or desire the responsibility involved in financial domination, as BeachMystress and MarinaBlack have brought up, then they shouldn't do it.

Otherwise the owner is bending to the will of the owned. Would you call that TPE? Or would you call that service domination?


Very well, stated...It is up to the owner. This is not a vanilla relationship with a kinky twist when it is convenient. Whoever has the power makes the determination as to what is involved. Either a submissive trusts and agrees, or he/she should move on.
This is a subject that is debated to death, when it is really quite simple. There is nothing evil about including finances in a TPE. It is quite natural and not a hardship for Me. Others prefer not to involve that aspect of life. If you choose not to feel confident about that, move on. If you do, accept that it is part of the TPE and be done with it. Just find the Dominant who will be right for you.




MistressEbonie -> RE: Financial issues (3/9/2006 5:42:47 PM)

Money is but a solidified form of energy, but we all grow up with various perceptions about money. Many of them negative (thanks, Mom and Dad!)

I embrace your perception, Strob.

However, I feel that she allowed this interchange to be interpreted negatively by her psyche because of her own point of view which, in my estimation, somehow supports the belief that money is bad.

I'm not Dr.Phil, but that's my 2 cents worth.




Nikolette -> RE: Financial issues (3/11/2006 3:00:43 AM)

I sort of felt like adding my own two cents.

I live with my two slaves... and while I never sought to financially dominate anyone... my first slave initiated the concept of everything of his being mine if I collared him. This would be his time, his thoughts (meant in a more romantic way, perhaps), his body, his future, and his money. Money is such a personal and intimate thing for most people- it seemed only natural for him to give that along with the other gifts of himself. We live together and share our money mutually, right now he's a student and thus doesn't really HAVE much money and I have a lot more earning potential in our short term future and my second slave also agrees with this communal finances concept.

I don't know how I would have felt about this idea if we hadn't been able to talk intimately on the phone and if he hadn't brought it up in an appropriate time line for us (very close to when the actual collaring occured, so things were quite close with us and we were already fallingin love). However it worked out rather well and sort of defined my desires for the future if things should fall apart. (and yes we've talked about what would happen if things did fall apart since we share a bank account, and a life, investments and time) I think the point I am trying to make here is that this topic doesn't really need to be broached until things are at a place where they might become an issue.

Each owner is going to have different feelings about this. I know its been an added responsibility for me, and added stress because I am in control of our financial situation. This isn't a free ride situation, its one of respect, trust and commitment. I group Professional Domination into an entirely different arena where a submissive person pays for an entertainment service with a competitant and lifestyle familiar person as a means of fulfilling their own desires in a professional, descreet and private way.

I'm also inclined to think as long as you are continuously open and tactful about these things (because she clearly seems to be a little sensitive to the topic) they will work themselves in the end, if not with her- then some other Domme who will appreciate the fullness of what you desire to give her. I read a quote somewhere recently (maybe on someone's profile on these boards) that said there are two kinds of strength ...the strength to lead and the strength to follow. (there was a lot more to this beautiful quote- I wish I'd thought to write it down) ... In any case it was a resonating thought I've always had. I appreciate the gift of submission my slaves choose to give me. I recognize its willingness and I respect its strength. I'm sure you'll find someone who does that as well.




DelightMachine -> RE: Financial issues (3/11/2006 8:51:15 AM)

There's an interesting pattern in this thread, with some posters seeming to assume that all financial domination is abusive and others apparently assuming that it's just another part of a loving TPE relationship. OK, I'm sure I'm oversimplifying.

It should be obvious that financial domination could be either an abuse or a responsibility a loving domme decides to take on as part of a healthy TPE relationship. Shouldn't anyone thinking about this subject keep both possibilities in mind?

Outside of a strong, already established D/s relationship, I get extremely uncomfortable with the idea of tribute, and I think most submissives feel the same. It's very easy to feel like you're getting scammed by a woman who wants tribute up front in a relationship, before you get a chance to know her and form an emotional bond. If a domme has paid a lot for toys and clothes, I can understand some kind of financial obligation on a submissive, but it should be light and consist of things like paying for dinner or gifts, and it should certainly start slowly. That's one way to help avoid exploitation, it seems to me.

I like the idea of bringing the matter up as collaring is discussed in a relationship that's already maturing. It seems to me it's not a topic to be talked about early on because of the misunderstandings that can result. It's kind of like a woman asking a guy how much money he makes on the first date. Coming from a woman, it sounds mercenery. If a guy mentions how much money he's making on a first date, it sounds like he wants to buy her, and the early discussions between mistress and submissive are the D/s equivalent.

Seeing some of the financial-domination chat rooms and looking at the profiles of the dommes in them makes me sick. OK, maybe it's just not my kink and its the kink of others and I should tolerate it, but it just seems to be ripe for exploitive people taking advantage of emotionally vulnerable submissives.

I'm not looking for TPE, but if I were, I would expect financial domination, because I wouldn't do TPE with a woman I didn't already trust. But who would?

So can we please avoid putting down subs who are concerned about financial domination (it seems to me they have a right to be concerned), and can we avoid putting down dommes who believe it's acceptable within an honest relationship?




GddssBella -> RE: Financial issues (3/11/2006 10:17:08 AM)

G'afternoon all:


*quiet applause for a sound post*


Frankly, I view it quite similarly. D/s is about so much more. Think of it as relationships in the vanilla world with some added bonuses. I believe in chivalry, good manners, old fashioned romance. A man ~courts~ the lady. It's part of the dance that makes the dynamic so rewarding. The main difference is that when happy little kinksters get home, the whips come out. Most of the Sisters in the lifestyle that I personally know seek out the "white knight". That epitome of virility humbled by his desire to please. How can you exchange power if the submissive has none to give? Nobody appreciates a doormat.

In agreemenent with a few other posters, who needs that much stress micro-managing someone's life? Not me. When I was married to my ex-husband, we had seperate accounts. We would both contribute to all the bills, 50/50, straight down the line. Same with chores. Not much has changed in my transition to d/s. Just the allotment of what's considered fair distrubtion of tasks. More often, it's become a reward system. It's amazing how hard a boy will bust his humps for a smile and gentle stroke of the cheek.

To the OP, in the end, no one can truly counsel you. Follow your heart with a reasonable degree of common sense.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...


[:D]


Bella




DelightMachine -> RE: Financial issues (3/11/2006 3:39:55 PM)

Here's a quote from a domme's profile on AOL that I just saw. Just thought anyone reading this would like a gander at it:

"If you have nothing to offer me do not waste my time a tribute is a must if you want to chat.
If you do not know the true meaning of Financial Domination do not waste my time."

Oh, how sweet and romantic.




Nikolette -> RE: Financial issues (3/11/2006 9:11:08 PM)

yeah I guess it isn't a big shock that there are people out there (Domme or not) who want to take advantage of a given situation. I doubt she has a great deal of luck with that though.




MarinaBlack -> RE: Financial issues (3/11/2006 11:10:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thetammyjo

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ORIGINAL: strob


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ORIGINAL: MarinaBlack
...If it's to be total domination then it's TOTAL DOMINATION.


Just my thoughts, if it is total then is total, if just occassional play then it is fun domination.



I'm just going to repeat what I said earlier about it being up to the owner.

If the owner does not want or desire the responsibility involved in financial domination, as BeachMystress and MarinaBlack have brought up, then they shouldn't do it.

Otherwise the owner is bending to the will of the owned. Would you call that TPE? Or would you call that service domination?


TPE = Total Power Exchange.
This is not a dynamic most would seek out as it is EXTREME.
Total = All = Everything - which would include FINANCIAL.
That is my interpretation of the meaning.
"If the owner does not want or desire the responsibility involved in financial domination..."
Not all owners are into that extreme as it involves TOTAL RESPONSIBLITY as well, but then they are not into TPE then, are they?




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