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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 4:28:15 PM

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Yep, we're watching "Blazing Saddles" alright.

*snicker*

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*snicker* I'll consider believing that the Black Panthers and the KKK are on equal moral footing the day that white-victim/black-murderer statistics exceed the historical number of black lynchings and slave deaths that occured during the south, adjusted per-capita.

And no, I'm not saying that as a form of moral equivalence, per se. I'm just noting that the Black Panthers have more ethically understandable reasons to be the way they are, and when they get all reactionary-militant, I'm more inclined to believe that they were provoked by something more substantial than "Bo says a nigger looked at a white woman funny".

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 4:33:03 PM

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 4:33:19 PM

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Yep, we're watching "Blazing Saddles" alright.

*snicker*

And now we shift to Princess Bride: "You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 4:36:09 PM

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When people rant about "socialism", at essence what they're arguing for is anarchy.

I disagree on this statement, Ialdabaoth. It seems to me, now that I grasp how things really work from the -inside-, that when people rant about and argue against socialism, they are actually arguing FOR corporate oligarchy.

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 4:39:52 PM

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When people rant about "socialism", at essence what they're arguing for is anarchy.

I disagree on this statement, Ialdabaoth. It seems to me, now that I grasp how things really work from the -inside-, that when people rant about and argue against socialism, they are actually arguing FOR corporate oligarchy.

The cheerleaders and the ring-leaders, yes. But the rank-and-file are just arguing for "whatever the guy what gives me the shinies says I should argue for".

But yeah, corporate oligarchy (aka 'fascism', according to Mussolini anyway) is clearly the explicit agenda of the people who claim to be working against socialism. Just try calling them on it, though. And of course, to get to those people you have to get through all the weird Randian dittoheads who claim to be arguing against socialism out of some sort of twisted quest for ideological purity. But they're just sort of the "mook shield" on the way to the miniboss.

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 4:56:09 PM

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Let me try to clear it up for you.

When you argue in favor of racism as you did in post 38, you risk becoming a caricature of the thing which you held up as a caricature.

And so, why did I say we're watching "Blazing Saddles" with a twist?

Because in this case, instead of the townspeople being racist, it's the sheriff who is racist.

The current comedy we have going on in Washington D.C. is similar to but backwards from the movie.

But not nearly as funny, because the racist clown in Washington D.C. is our real life president.

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And now we shift to Princess Bride: "You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 4:57:43 PM

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 5:13:11 PM

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Let me try to clear it up for you.

When you argue in favor of racism as you did in post 38, you risk becoming a caricature of the thing which you held up as a caricature.

And so, why did I say we're watching "Blazing Saddles" with a twist?

Because in this case, instead of the townspeople being racist, it's the sheriff who is racist.

The current comedy we have going on in Washington D.C. is similar to but backwards from the movie.

But not nearly as funny, because the racist clown in Washington D.C. is our real life president.

No, I get it, I'm just rendered speechless by the inanity of it. Here's a hint: If the majority-controlled hegemony is racist, threats to that hegemony are not themselves racist, even if they have racial elements. If most people propping up the hegemony are white, then you can't fight the hegemony without predominantly fighting white people. This doesn't make you racist - if any thing, it exposes their racism.

A black person saying "white people want to hang us" isn't a racist statement if, in fact, white people have been lynching black people.

A white person saying "black people want to rape our women" *is* a racist statement when, in fact, incidents of inter-racial rape are lower than intra-racial rape, but you want people scared about niggers so you can hang one from a tree.

At this point, certain groups have been trying to twist the debate around to the point that nothing means anything anymore. It's funny that the same people who have always accused the left of "rendering everything meaningless" with appeals to semantics are finally picking up the same tactics. Or it would be funny, if they weren't polluting the whole debate with their inanity. But hey, give us a bit and there won't be any way to talk at all - and then we'll have to come to blows. Won't that be fun?

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 5:26:59 PM

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That was a lot of words for, it's okay when Black Panthers intimidate white people, and the president who has videotape of the event, and whose job it is to protect and defend people's rights, drops all the charges and refuses to answer media questions as to why.

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 6:16:00 PM

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altho I dont want palin or whats her face pelosi ....blech

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RE: A heads up vis a vis socialism - 8/10/2009 6:17:59 PM

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So why'd you take your bit out then? Seems they shouldn't let the horse out of the barn much less speak on their behalf if all it knows is the barn, the blinders, and the bit.

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