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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/11/2009 2:25:18 PM   
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You asked if the sub in question has integrity. I think she did to confront someone she was terrified of.

The second one is into online only and still wanted to make sure she was playing with someone she would enjoy playing with. No matter if she said she was a piece of meat, she obviously isn't two cooked lamb chops.

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/11/2009 3:59:22 PM   
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quote:

What are your reactions and thoughts to both of these scenarios. 


Primarily, this thread says something about you.

No, that's not meant rudely or sarcastically.



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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/12/2009 9:16:34 AM   
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Its time for me to comment. For those that think am insecure that is your first mistake for assuming.  For those that think this was posted as an attempt for me to vent again you assume. I enjoy healthy debate and seeing opinions good and yes bad.  As for the lack of information. Yes I do admit more details could have been put into the descriptions, but again this is not designed for those of you that enjoy nothing better then to jump to assumptions simply to criticize me.  It was intended to recieve comments on whether or not by simple online actions does this show a subs integrity or is it simply a silly online game that most enjoy playing.  When I was first brought into this lifestyle I was mentored by a Dom couple who instilled integrity and honor into me.  That has stayed with me ever since.  I could have used any of a million different scenarios here but chose to use some real life experiences.  Excuse me if they were not as detailed as anyone would enjoy so that you can examine under your online microscopes and determine what a fake Dom I may appear to be.  The fact is that in doing so, most of you have proven my point exactly. There is a lack of not only integrity but simple respect that goes on here online.  Yes everyone can claim respect is earned, but that is not all together true.  It is certainly earned but we also have the ability to show everyone respect until they prove that respect is not warranted.  It is called being polite and being an adult.  But we hide behind our computer screens and think this gives us license to judge, criticize, accuse and yes even be rude and mean.  

I do apologize if any feel like I am being pety or attacking your beliefs, but as everyone has shown we are all entitled to our opinions good and bad.  These are mine.  I did this to prove a point and I feel I have done so.  If this offends anyone again my apologies.  

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/12/2009 9:23:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Masterntn
It was intended to recieve comments on whether or not by simple online actions does this show a subs integrity or is it simply a silly online game that most enjoy playing.



The problem is, we were all giving you more credit, you see we assumed perhaps incorrectly that you had a semblance of intelligence. By this I mean, that if you genuinely were asking if a few internet ejjits called into question the thousands upon thousands of people who identify as submissive's integrity then either you have little knowledge of the internet or of human beings or perhaps are bigoted.

This is why people dug a little deeper.

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/12/2009 10:03:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Masterntn

Lets take this a bit further.  Do the actions of these subs have any direct correlation as to how other subs are perceived and treated?


Some may judge and treat all subs because of how a few act, but that's really unfair and immature, just as is judging and treating all Dominants according to how the "on your knees, bitch" variety act. 

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ORIGINAL: Masterntn

It was intended to recieve comments on whether or not by simple online actions does this show a subs integrity or is it simply a silly online game that most enjoy playing. 


I don't think this shows integrity or lack of it, as how can you really judge integrity in someone you don't know?  I'm thinking the particular sub in the first situation you mentioned was whacko and you should be glad you're rid of her, and the sub in the second situation wanted a picture.....even a piece of meat might want to know what her "user" looks like.......

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/12/2009 10:21:34 AM   
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If you are trying to contact, screen, and meet people through Collarme, or any online venue, you need to have an order of magnitude more mental toughness than what you're displaying here. Whether you're male or female, it's a massive, grinding, mind numbing numbers game.

You might get lucky as hell and find someone real, and sane, and that is a good match for you on the first or second try, but wow, don't count on it, and don't start crying in your beer if it doesn't happen. If you can't approach it with a spirit of adventure and a willingness to learn something from every encounter, positive or negative, you might as well just throw in the towel right now.

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/12/2009 10:46:37 AM   
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You claim that others lack integrity, part of integrity is being honest. Perhaps you are telling the truth about the senarios but you are not giving enough information to go on. Open debates can't be had when doors are closed on them. If you don't like what you see, agree to disagree rather than insult those who are trying to give you advice and then say others are being rude.

Yes, we are all behind computer screens (including you). However, in reading many posts on this forum I am quite sure that those who replied would tell you this to your face. Since you like old addages you might find this one helpful, "Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/12/2009 11:25:11 AM   
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quote:

It was intended to recieve comments on whether or not by simple online actions does this show a subs integrity or is it simply a silly online game that most enjoy playing. 


You miss the point.

If you have to ask this, it highlights the problem. If you already know but need comments, the problem is worse.

You can fill in the appropriate assumptions yourself. They don't really matter.

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/12/2009 12:51:51 PM   
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I'm starting by taking the OP at face value for I have no direct knowledge of the OP nor the subs he comments about in the two scenarios. I suspect that the Op has a handle on the issues and may be interested on what others think which is not a bad thing nor a sign of weakness but probably indicates an enquiring mind on his part. It has already been pointed out that in CM and other on line agencies, one needs to be mentally tough as well as resilient for there appears to be far more idiots than people who have a genuine wish to make a possible quality contact. However there are those too who have their own agendas and just do what they do too.

In both scenarios, my view is summed up in one word: NEXT. Block, delete and forget (After having a good laugh at such puerile tripe that the supposed master vented). Most folks I know involved in BDSM or other areas of Kink have been accused of being fake and not knowing a jolly thing about what they do. That is just an opinion and as we all know opinions are like arseholes which everyone has one but.... Some arseholes are cleaner than others.... Some smell less and some even fart more than shit.

Regarding integrity on a sub/slave, I have seen a goodly amount of sub/slaves who appear to have loads of integrity. I certainly look for it as part of my criteria when vetting a potential slave. I suspect that there are more good genuine people who stand by their word than there are flaccid or evil conniving ones in humanity generally not just in the BDSM arena. the secret is recognising them, the good ones, for they come in all shapes, sizes, ages and genders.


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The Devil's in the Details - 8/12/2009 2:08:01 PM   
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The second scenario: there is so little context, how does one judge integrity?

In the first one: it kind of does matter if you attempted contacting her or if it was all left up to her.

It sounds like she wasn't honest with you.
It could be a lapse in integrity; it could be something else, like her having too little self awareness.

Did she give voice to her complaints to set the record straight or to cause drama?

What have you learned from these encounters?
In the end, that is all that matters.

What lessons do you personally seek?



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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/13/2009 8:36:21 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Masterntn

I am curious as to what anyone's thoughts are as far as integrity in a sub.  I am going to pose a couple of scenario's that has happened to me in the past and would like to know what others opinions are as far as if the sub was out of line or not. 

The sub in question, who will remain nameless, committed to me and came to me several times professing her devotion and loyalty.  After a very intense session, we left each other to which again she professed her desire and loyalty to me.  That was the last time I heard from this sub for several months.  Out of the blue she messaged me and started telling me that I was fake, and had no clue as to what being a Dom was. That she had moved to Michigan, found another Dom and was living with him.  In turn this new Dom contacts me and also makes the same statements, flaunting his conquest.  For days I endure a verbal barrage of profanities and factless accusations from someone that I had not even contacted in the first place.  This sub was cared for, provided for, loved and cherrished.  So there were no contributing factors for her leaving other than her own will. 

another scenario.  An online contact is made to a slave stating she is not human but a piece of meet and that she wants to be used. The request is simply asking for chat alone.  No other requests are made and proper etiquet and grammar are used.  The response to this request is not greated with a hello or any other introduction.  The only thing written in the response is "Send me a pic now" 

What are your reactions and thoughts to both of these scenarios. 


More importantly, what are yours? Don't know about anyone else, but my feeling is i wouldn't follow anyone who needed to ask someone else where he was going.


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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/13/2009 12:46:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: maia09

More importantly, what are yours? Don't know about anyone else, but my feeling is i wouldn't follow anyone who needed to ask someone else where he was going.



I agree with this.

And I've got to say, you could be less of a jerk when responding to people's replies. Maybe that's just me but, if your going to start the thread then you need to be able to take all of the responses even the ones that get your panities into a twist. Everyones going to make assumptions. Thats how we come to conclusions.

My advice? Respect the other's opinions as their own and don't attack them. Its just going to make you look stupid. We are all online and giving you help based on what we know about the situtation and the pieces we can connect.

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/14/2009 5:17:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Masterntn

Its time for me to comment. For those that think am insecure that is your first mistake for assuming.  For those that think this was posted as an attempt for me to vent again you assume. I enjoy healthy debate and seeing opinions good and yes bad.  As for the lack of information. Yes I do admit more details could have been put into the descriptions, but again this is not designed for those of you that enjoy nothing better then to jump to assumptions simply to criticize me.  It was intended to recieve comments on whether or not by simple online actions does this show a subs integrity or is it simply a silly online game that most enjoy playing.  When I was first brought into this lifestyle I was mentored by a Dom couple who instilled integrity and honor into me.  That has stayed with me ever since.  I could have used any of a million different scenarios here but chose to use some real life experiences.  Excuse me if they were not as detailed as anyone would enjoy so that you can examine under your online microscopes and determine what a fake Dom I may appear to be.  The fact is that in doing so, most of you have proven my point exactly. There is a lack of not only integrity but simple respect that goes on here online.  Yes everyone can claim respect is earned, but that is not all together true.  It is certainly earned but we also have the ability to show everyone respect until they prove that respect is not warranted.  It is called being polite and being an adult.  But we hide behind our computer screens and think this gives us license to judge, criticize, accuse and yes even be rude and mean.  

I do apologize if any feel like I am being pety or attacking your beliefs, but as everyone has shown we are all entitled to our opinions good and bad.  These are mine.  I did this to prove a point and I feel I have done so.  If this offends anyone again my apologies.  


Umm. your posts here make no sense. You say that you appreciate healthy debate, and hearing feedback, both good and bad. You ask for people's thoughts, and then when people give thoughts that perhaps you played some part in the dynamics you describe, you launch into a diatribe saying that by people stating their opinions, they are proving your point about the lack of respect online.
This makes no sense.


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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/14/2009 5:38:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Leonidas

If you are trying to contact, screen, and meet people through Collarme, or any online venue, you need to have an order of magnitude more mental toughness than what you're displaying here. Whether you're male or female, it's a massive, grinding, mind numbing numbers game.

You might get lucky as hell and find someone real, and sane, and that is a good match for you on the first or second try, but wow, don't count on it, and don't start crying in your beer if it doesn't happen. If you can't approach it with a spirit of adventure and a willingness to learn something from every encounter, positive or negative, you might as well just throw in the towel right now.

Good luck.


Yeah, what he said.  And while yer lookin', enjoy the conversation here.  You can meet lots of really nice, interesting and REAL people!  ...but it takes time.
 
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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/14/2009 7:16:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex
This is why I advise against the giving away of personal info too quickly, since yes, many people who haunt these sites are in fact deranged or even violent.

And yet, I give my personal info right away, and I've met a ton of real women with real careers and lives, who are also really kinky.  And that's met, as in "met in real life" off of CollarMe or Alt.

Act paranoid, and you only attract the whackjobs, because "normal" people are made uncomfortable by cagey.  I act open and direct, and women tell me how refreshing it is to talk to someone like me on a site like this.


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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/15/2009 6:35:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Masterntn

Lets take this a bit further.  Do the actions of these subs have any direct correlation as to how other subs are perceived and treated?


Well if the master in question has a habit of judging the whole group by the actions of 2, then yes, it would have a correlation to how others are treated. If he realizes that there are assholes in every group...subs, doms, switches. Then it probibly would not have a correlation.

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/15/2009 6:37:54 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Masterntn

to clear up any misconceptions for those of you that want to assume.  There is no validation needed here. If you cannot take this for what it is a simply forum then that is your mistake for assuming.  Also you should not assume more or less facts than what was presented.  Again if you do so you are assuming and using the old addage, you know what happens when you assume.  So for those that are commenting intelligently thank you. Those that are now being rude, my point proven! 


What point was that exactly?

Oh wait, I know...your point was that as a master, you can be just as bitchy as a sub can. I get it now. And your right. It doesn't matter if your on the top or on the bottom. People are people either way.

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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/15/2009 10:04:59 AM   
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well as for the first scenario you must admit you bear some responsibility there and contributed to the image that you're just a fake with your own actions.  you say you were mentored and trained by a couple? did they teach you nothing of after care? it is usually the most important thing and what is often used to determine whether or not someone is real or fake.

as for the second scenario, others have already said it but i'll say it too, where's the problem with wanting to know the face of those you're speaking with?


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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/15/2009 1:01:43 PM   
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This is a very strange thread - that the questions were asked in the first place, and that the follow up comment to the responses was....whiny.

Does that say anything about the integrity of masters? 


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RE: Subs Integrity - 8/15/2009 2:55:02 PM   
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NV, please note how the whining of us D and M types has more integrity than the whining of s types.

I know full well that I have not earned the title of Master.  I'm often amazed at how easily it can get self-bestowed.

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