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LadyPact -> RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA (8/19/2009 9:33:37 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Dragonfly369
First even pubilc defenders are supposed to defend their clients. mine was a public defender and did his job. even pushed back a court date cause we hadnt been able to meet before the original date so yes it would have been better to suck up resources. Her lawyer did nothing for her. met her just 5 mins before trial and said your guilyt just say so. Hell even murderes with dozens of witnesses plead not guilty and still have a good chance of being let off if all the evidence doesnt add up to just one person. even if witness confirmed she did it she still would have been able to say. hey im an idiot this guy asked me to do this and it was dark and i thought itd be fun. the most she should have gotten was. And what I ment by hearing from the boy was that because he would no longer be a minor in the laws eyes she would have a right to have him questioned. meaning he would have to state his involvment to the court in this case and not just getting automatically protected by the hes a minor you cant question him card. Also i did not say people shouldt have to face their consequences i was poiting out the fact that no, most teenagers even if viewed as adults by the law are not responsible enough to keep up with doctors appointments much less cour dats and probation appointments along with all the rules they cram down your numbed mind while in court. It took my mom, my school counseler, my doctors and my lawyer to tell me what they said my rules were in court as well as makeing sure hey you have to go see such and such person next week like the judge ordered. so unless she failed to get to these appoinments with everyone and there mother telling her about them when they were coming up then i dont blame her at all for not remembering. espcially if she was still attending school and had tests and homework and other silly teen stuff she had to do. and the thing with community service is most schools require kids to do it to graduate. so yeah shed have remembered. thats something alot easier to say oh every day for 5 hours a day for the next 20 days i have to go 'work' at the (insert place here). cause then its a constant every day thing. much harder to forget. And again i mentioned the moment of passion thing in reference to myself as a point that it can be nearly impossible to know how old someone is unless they tatto their age to their foreheads. So if this kid was 2 weeks. meaning 14 days away from actually being 16 then there should have been some leeway. because if you go to the mall and look at a group of guys of varying hights and races ill bett you you will only get one age in maybe every 10 right on the nose so yes lets expect a 17 year old in the same class as him to know hes 14 days away from being legal and that it would be a really really stupid idea cause shed be labled as a child molestor for life. you keep arguing this like the law makes sense for children doing this to children. when it doesnt. espcially when they are both willing participants. and the 'minor' asked for it. when at 17 that girl herself is still a minor in the governments eyes and still getting claimed as such on her parents taxes. so this minor not minor distinction makes no sense in this case.
Your 40 or so you profile says. I get that you like your laws as they are. but as part of the younger generation i have no shame in addmitting alot of our laws are antquiated and just plain crazy if you apply them as the book says to every single person. so you can keep your death grip on the old laws being applied libberaly to everyone no matter what the circumstance. And i will uphold my belife that this is just one of many laws that needs to be looked at and carried out on a case by case basis on what makes sense and is truely fair when to kids both consenting are part of the equation
I'm not going to quote all of the separate sections this time. It's entirely too difficult with the lack of paragraphs. (The spelling could use some work, too.)
What you're abdicating here is that those who commit crimes should buck the system. I'm sorry to say that is part of what is wrong with plea bargaining. That is a whole other thread better suited for politics and religion.
It's very obvious to Me that you didn't bother doing any research behind the story that the article presented and, I suspect, didn't even read the whole thread. The point of being young and "forgetful" about appointments has already been raised and answered. Being given five years probation a 17 means she was an adult for 80% of that sentence. Yes, I absolutely expect that anyone without some kind of mental incapacity to be able to handle their affairs in an adult fashion at 18.
As for the boy asking for it, please, read the article. This woman is not the only case. Did you happen to catch that part about the 27 year old who "thought" the girl he was screwing was 17 when she was really younger? Sure, she was all for him banging her, but since she really was a minor, she didn't have what the law considers the ability to consent.
I'm not exactly going to the mall cruising for teenagers, so that point is moot.
Yes, I absolutely am 40, and if My age has anything to do with the laws about it's not acceptable to give a student a blow job during class, I'm good with that. From what you are writing here, with your experience in band closets and such, it's fine that you don't see it that way. Silly Me, thinking schools should be a place of education and not just a free for all of oral sex if the teacher dims the lights.
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