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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 5:43:09 PM

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yes but i happen to have stranger issues. so i guess itll have to do as being said i would.

I have stranger issues too.

If I find myself in a room with anyone stranger than me, I get seriously, properly worried.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 5:43:25 PM

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yes but i happen to have stranger issues. so i guess itll have to do as being said i would.

@ LP it wasnt an insult. unless i am comparing you to my grandparents. in which case you may take offense. -waves hand- ta

I have dear hopes that My favorite little person, My own Granddaughter, will turn out quite better.

My regards to your Mistress. I'm glad to see her standards are not equal to My own.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 5:52:50 PM

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If your won standars are to keep someone from speking their mind about what they belive then yes they just might be. But even if she were to read what i have written she would see that in my own way of writing i was respectful and held my toung. because she has seen how i argue my cases and you got a severly watered down version. i also doubt she would fail to see the hilarity in referring to people my own moters age and grandma. you can pass judgement on me all you want. but without knowing me or my family or how i was brought up you will always be wrong in your views. i may not refer to you or any other dominant in this thread with any sort of proper title but that is because until dominants have my respect i will not give them that indulgence. there is only one person i need address as Miss or Mistress and that is only my Mistress.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:02:21 PM

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I don't blame you for being disrespectful in matters of family. I'm sure that's just another antiquated belief of which you do not adhere.

I think you have displayed enough of yourself to pass adequate judgment of you and how you control your Mistress.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:03:22 PM

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My regards to your Mistress. I'm glad to see her standards are not equal to My own.

I've had a trying day.

That made me throw my head back and laugh like a cavalier.

Many, many thanks.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:05:22 PM

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You are quite welcome. I often laugh at such things Myself.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:15:00 PM

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You are quite welcome. I often laugh at such things Myself.

Out of interest, is your shift key fucked?

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:24:05 PM

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I do not controll my Mistress. I dont ever ask her to do anything unless she is sick and i belive some medicin will help. and when it comes to matters of family mine is not a family. it would do better to be called a tourture chamber. my belife for family is that it should be a stable and healthy environment to grow up in. if that is antquicated then so be it. and i have displayed nothing of myself in this thread. if you think i have then you are obviously being thrown off by the alluer of a mask. you want to see who i am then why not talk to me in a setting outside of this thread where i could make judgements on you that would be none to flattering but yet i still only argue against your comments.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:36:21 PM

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Make your judgments against Me and My family as you will. I have seen quite enough of you and your disrespect for family. You who came to this thread preaching about the difference between children and adults.

I feel pity that yours is not a family. I am so sorry.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:41:29 PM

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I do not controll my Mistress. I dont ever ask her to do anything unless she is sick and i belive some medicin will help. and when it comes to matters of family mine is not a family. it would do better to be called a tourture chamber. my belife for family is that it should be a stable and healthy environment to grow up in. if that is antquicated then so be it. and i have displayed nothing of myself in this thread. if you think i have then you are obviously being thrown off by the alluer of a mask. you want to see who i am then why not talk to me in a setting outside of this thread where i could make judgements on you that would be none to flattering but yet i still only argue against your comments.

Speaking of which, and returning to the OP for a minute, I had previously assumed (not having encountered this topic before) that the myriad shortcomings of the US SO Register system would be restricted to that fair country, whereas we in Her Majesty's Glorious British Isles would have done something much, much better. Hoorah and huzzah!

Turns out, we’ve even more crap

We have taken the concept, and implemented it with scant regard to impact, legality, manpower to monitor, or efficacy.

You can imagine my surprise. I thought this sort of thing was supposed to reduce the evil done by pedos [1]. The short answer is “no it sodding doesn’t”.

As best anyone can work out ATM, it’s a) expensive, b) almost everyone in political authority (and we know how clever they are, don’t we children) wants it (or, more likely, is scared of being labelled a pervert if they say they don’t want it) and c), there doesn’t seem to be much in the way of efficacy studies to support its inclusion. The hard core predators are simply picking their moment to skip, and we’re tying up hugely valuable police time in monitoring the rest.

Given the cost of maintenance, and the dismal results, I’m wondering if scrapping it and spending the cash on a few more human monitors to watch over public places where children play might have a more targeted effect. Or more money spent on rehab? Or … well anything but this, actually.

Thanks to the OP - I genuinely had no idea this subject was as fucked-up as it clearly is.

[1] my spellchecker wanted to change that to “pesos”, and I was SO tempted to let it, but in the interests of sanity, etc etc

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:46:14 PM

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What you seem to be missing in this converstaion and in the artical is that this girl. only met her lawyer 5 minuets before her hearing. which should have led to her hearing being postponed because 5 minuets is not enough time to talk about anything or for her to even give the facts from her point of view to her lawyer. her lawyer should have also been sacked because this girl would have had a much better chance of getting parol with no parol officer from the judge if shed pleaded not guilty. And if it actually went to court she could have given her side and they would have heard from the boy as well as no dubt by the time they got to that court date hed have been of legal consenting age and no longer a minor.

Since the article was biased towards portraying her in the most victimized light, I am taking the plea pushed upon her by an incompetent PD with a grain of salt.
Where were her parents in this?
We might as well blame them too.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:50:01 PM

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you can keep your petty aplogies and pitty to yourself. i do not disrespect family. i may disrespect mine but only because it isnt one. i do however support families that are not dysfunctional. and as i said i refrain from makeing judgement on the people here and only on their comments. i dont know you i cant judge you but from what ive gotten from you talking about me. i dont really want to know you either.
I know the true difference between a child and an adult. and it is because of experiance and not some deluded belife that growing up had anything to do with age when it has nothing to do with it. my definition of adult might not be yours but it is one cultrued from my own experiences and seeing that so called adults are sometimes nothing more than 6ft children with power. and power can corrupt if a person is not careful in how they weild it.
I may preach but i follow my preachings. I dont claim to all grown up but i do will claim that i was an adult before i ever had a chance to be a kid. So now when I have my chance to be a kid i take it with the knowledge that after i am done it is right back to trying to turn my life into something to be proud of instead of hiding from the world.
and i will stand firm in my comments i have said in this thread as i belive everyone of them fully and with all or my heart. I will not aplogise for any toes i stepped on or any hurt egos. take it or leave it but this is what you or anyone else would get of me in any thread. my words my belifes and my comments un edited and with no real regard to any dominants egotistacal need to be addressed properly by someone they dont own or know.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 6:55:26 PM

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from what i can tell of that artical and that one alone. no her parents were not apaert of anything going on while she was in court. and they should have been. because i highly doubt any mother or father would let their daughter be bullied into pleading guilty by a pd that hadnt even talked to her about anything before that. and imo she was a victim. regaurdless of the other probation issues which she only got AFTER pleading guilty and may not have been the same otherwise I dont belive any kid should be put in the situation of relying on someone they have never met to look out for them without them even talking.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 8:36:28 PM

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I can't help but ask this.

How do you feel that any person committing a crime is a victim?

Whether the sex offender law applied or not, she still would have been guilty of a lewd sexual act in public. FFS how hard can it be to understand that giving a blow job during a high school class is against the law? In all seriousness, how can anyone feel this is appropriate behavior?

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/20/2009 11:03:25 PM

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Well lets see here..how can i feel that way. maybe because she was victimized by the court on her own lawyer by not getting represented to the fullest extent this person could have represented her too. also homeless people break laws every day by loitering outside of stores pan handeling and various other things and they are considered victims of circumstance. starveing people steal food to eat and get slaps on the wrist because its not their fault they stole they knew it was wrong but they were hungery. so this girl did something sexual in public. okay thats where it should have platued at not as a sex offence against a minor. thats how i can see her as a victim.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/21/2009 12:45:37 AM

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also homeless people break laws every day by loitering outside of stores pan handeling and various other things and they are considered victims of circumstance. starveing people steal food to eat and get slaps on the wrist because its not their fault they stole they knew it was wrong but they were hungery.

That's a rather invalid comparison. Was this girl going to starve to death is she didn't suck a guy off in a classroom?
The fact remains that she wouldn't be on the sex offender registry if she hadn't blown off the conditions imposed by the court. Those conditions, and the consequences of not meeting them, are explained in detail at the time of conviction and by the probation officer assigned to the case.

As to your defending this girl on the basis of her youth, Dragonfly; would you feel the same if the offender was a 16 year old drunk driver who had hurt or killed someone? If such an offender was sentenced as a youth as long as long as all conditions set by the court were met, and then landed in jail with a felony vehicular manslaughter conviction on his/her record because he/she wasn't "organized" enough to meet the conditions of probation, would you think that was wrong, too?

If the point of the article was to point out flaws in the way certain laws are enforced, the author of the article would have been better off focusing on a "victim" who was actually, you know, a victim.

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where as i tend to find one or two solid blocks of text if not easy to read is less offensive to look at and less likely to put someone on the defensive because they feel like theyve been insulted.

No, not less offensive, just hella hard to read. It is less likely to put someone on the defensive, but only because most people will skip posts that are a wall of text with no paragraphs. If you want people to actually read your posts, please use paragraphs.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/21/2009 3:53:10 AM

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Bye grandma and grandpa. have a nice night.

This whole entire thread aside, those of us who really are Grandmas and Grandpas aren't put off but those titles. It is a joy in life that can not be used as an insult.

That is so true LP, and I am getting my first great nephew for Christmas this year. I can hardly wait.

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/21/2009 3:57:32 AM

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To thishereboi..... Congratulations!

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/21/2009 7:28:12 AM

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I dont see how it is an invalid comparison. If you or anyone else is going to say that if someone breaks the law and not just one particular one that they shouldnt get some sort of leinyincy espcillay when they are a child. and there is no proof she knew his age being so close to his age herself then thats hypocrital.
No the homeless sholdnt get arrested fo the laws they break but I also think the government could use some money and at least make more shelters if not more halfway homes for people to live in that dont have the money to find a place to live other wise.

And as to someone who steals because they are hungery as opposed to just a kid that gets dared to by friends or is a lepto or just steals because they can. They are no different. Because they all know it is wrong. and at least and a klepto and someone under peer pressure may not be able to stop there impulses or resiste the pressure of their friends. But they should get sent to jail while the hungery person gets let back out into public with no readucation of anykind and no job skills or garentee that they wont do it over and over.
My whole entire point. Is that this girl shouldnt have been charged with the crime she was charged with. And that the way the system works in her case is extreamly flawed. Because I will bet you she never did anything eles to anyone in pubilc again and made sure she knew what there age was before she did anything in private. she was 17 she was stupid and she made a mess of court appointments and parol appointments. Which she should have had help getting to in the first place.

Now as to your drunk driving question. first off if any 16 year old is drinking that much there are some underlying issues of some sort so Counceling, AA, and quite ppossibly a look into this kids life are gonna be needed to begin whith. now once he realizes hes killed someone she gonna need even more therapy i doubt hed get in jail. even if to the outside it seemed he didnt care unless hes a sociopath id bet my life that hes just burying the emotional stress its causeing him which would lead to more drinking without it. And i would still expect this kids parents his school and said therapists and he AA sponser to remind him what he needed to do when he needed to do it and for someone to get him there so he could do it because im pretty damn sure his license woulda been taken at the sene of the crime. so yes id think it was wrong if he ended up in jail for it if there was no therapy mandated or someone getting him to his appointments. which leads me to ask

Was the girl in the artical driving herself or relying on her parents to give her rides because if its the latter then it might not even be her fault she missed meetings if they wouldnt give her the ride she needed. I dont ever assume anyone at that age drives for the pure fact half my friends are trrified of driving and there 19+

there you go. what appears to be paragraphs that will just annoy you because they really arent

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RE: Unjust and ineffective sex laws in USA - 8/21/2009 3:11:58 PM

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How do you feel that any person committing a crime is a victim?

A person who commits a crime is a victim of their own lack of awareness, weakness to exercise self will, and inability to exercise discrimination. Yes, they truly are a victim. A compassionate society which applies the philosophy of reform, rather than mere fear based deterrent as in the U.S., will teach the criminal victim how to become more aware, disciplined, and productive. Thus, the criminal transforms from being a burden on society while incarcerated, into being a contibutor to society. By reducing education fundiung and oppressing its weakest victims, the U.S. only diminishes its potential, and is US$17 TRILLION indebted (including Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac obligations).

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