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Because I will bet you she never did anything eles to anyone in pubilc again and made sure she knew what there age was before she did anything in private.

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Now as to your drunk driving question. first off if any 16 year old is drinking that much there are some underlying issues of some sort so Counceling, AA, and quite ppossibly a look into this kids life are gonna be needed to begin whith. now once he realizes hes killed someone she gonna need even more therapy i doubt hed get in jail. even if to the outside it seemed he didnt care unless hes a sociopath id bet my life that hes just burying the emotional stress its causeing him which would lead to more drinking without it. And i would still expect this kids parents his school and said therapists and he AA sponser to remind him what he needed to do when he needed to do it and for someone to get him there so he could do it because im pretty damn sure his license woulda been taken at the sene of the crime. so yes id think it was wrong if he ended up in jail for it if there was no therapy mandated or someone getting him to his appointments.

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Was the girl in the artical driving herself or relying on her parents to give her rides because if its the latter then it might not even be her fault she missed meetings if they wouldnt give her the ride she needed. I dont ever assume anyone at that age drives for the pure fact half my friends are trrified of driving and there 19+

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx
A person who commits a crime is a victim of their own lack of awareness, weakness to exercise self will, and inability to exercise discrimination. Yes, they truly are a victim. A compassionate society which applies the philosophy of reform, rather than mere fear based deterrent as in the U.S., will teach the criminal victim how to become more aware, disciplined, and productive. Thus, the criminal transforms from being a burden on society while incarcerated, into being a contibutor to society. By reducing education fundiung and oppressing its weakest victims, the U.S. only diminishes its potential, and is US$17 TRILLION indebted (including Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac obligations).

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
I don't see it as lack of awareness.

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ORIGINAL: Falkenstein

To summarize the debate, there is on one side the legalist camp, who consider that the law is to be obeyed and put the rule of law above everything else. If you don't know the law, or are not disciplined enough to follow, then tough luck!

On the other side are what I would call the humanist camp, who considers that whatever this poor girl did not warrant a year in prison and being branded a pedophile.

Both sides agree that what she did was gross, bad and incredibly stupid and that she should have been punished for it. It is also clear that this woman is extremly economical with her intelligence.

Personnaly, I am in the humanist camp, the argument "because it is the law" is empty. In Easter Germany, it was illegal to try to flee to the west and a legal requirement to denounce such persons, In America and France slavery has long been legal. Something can obviously be legal and unjust or revolting. IMNHO This kind of collateral damages is also weakening the law in its primary purpose, which is to neutralize the real pedophiles. It is also a waste of taxpayer money. For me, 100 hours of community service (cleaning the toilets?) would have been largely sufficient.

Be seing you

Henry

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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

My response here is also as a pragmatist. LadyPact states on her profile that she is "heavy on protocol," into "public play," uses crops and canes, and seeks bisexual men.

It is hornbook law that "every man is presumed to know the law." United States v. Budd, 144 U.S. 154, 163 (1892). And, "A person is presumed to intend what he does." Allen v. United States, 164 U.S. 492, 496 (1896). LadyPact, please do not contend that you are unaware of the following.

I suspect that LadyPact might engage in criminal activity as follows:
COUNT 1. LadyPact might violate CPC (California Penal Code) §266c, by inducing another person to engage in sexual acts when consent is procured with intent to create or induce fear of physical injury (caning).
COUNT 2. LadyPact might violate CPC §286 by causing others to engage in sodomy, through violation of CPC §266c.
COUNT 3. LadyPact might violate CPC §288a by engaging or causing others to engage in oral copulation, through violation of CPC §266c.
COUNT4. LadyPact might violate CPC §314 by assisting or causing another person to make an exhibition of himself to the view of any number of persons such as is offensive to decency, or is adapted to excite to vicious or lewd thoughts or acts.

If convicted of the above violations, pursuant to CPC §220, LadyPact could be punished by imprisonment in state prison for up to six years. Since Lady Pact herself contends that she engages in "public play," she would not be protected by the decision in Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558 (2003).

It is merely my subjective and speculative opinion that LadyPact is so strongly and repeatedly vocal about rules in this thread, as a defense to her own subconscious (not aware) influences. Hypothetically, perhaps without an ounce of compassion or empathy, and in accordance with her expressed bias toward strict adherence to protocol and the rule of law, should the Paso Robles Police Dept. be advised of her possible infractions??? In reality, I would not make a complaint.

Hopefully for some, these questions transform the intellectual masturbation of "heavy protocol" into a more realistic dimension to consider. Thus, the substance of this post. I.e., get real and have a heart. When you point one finger out, there are three pointing back at you. Consider the source of your inner preference for heavy protocol, and how you manifest it.

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ORIGINAL: Prinsexx


I've read all the thread.
You may see this as a failed dialogue between a two-sidied camp.
There is another view.
Or am I the only one able to see this?
The point is there is no legislation on planet Earth that will stop people doing whatever it is they want to do with their bodies and their minds.

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ORIGINAL: Falkenstein
You really have laws like that in the USA?

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ORIGINAL: Rhodes85

Once again, I agree with LadyPact.


'It is also a waste of taxpayer money. For me, 100 hours of community service (cleaning the toilets?) would have been largely sufficient. '

You are aware that her only punishment was probation and that she only went to jail because she violated the terms of that probation and is therefore tossed in jail like anyone else would be for violating their probation for any reason, right? The fact that it was a sexual based crime doesn't factor in to why she was imprisoned.