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Lockit -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/15/2009 2:04:13 PM)

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VanIsleKnight -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/15/2009 2:17:51 PM)

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VIK, I suggest you prioritize profiles without pictures, and profiles otherwise constructed to attract men who are looking for intellect and personality first, and hotboddedness second.


I've taken to looking at profiles with and without pictures actually.  Not as bad, and I've slowed down the profile searching due to being busy with lots of other things in real life.

Merci to all though. =)




TexasMaam -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/15/2009 11:01:28 PM)

~~~~ as in all things, VanIsleKnight, tribute is what you make of it.

TM
  • Main Entry: trib·ute 
  • Pronunciation: \ˈtri-(ˌ)byüt, -byət\
  • Function: noun
  • Etymology: Middle English tribut, from Latin tributum, from neuter of tributus, past participle of tribuere to allot, bestow, grant, pay, from tribus tribe
  • Date: 14th century

1 a : a payment by one ruler or nation to another in acknowledgment of submission or as the price of protection; also : the tax levied for such a payment b (1) : an excessive tax, rental, or tariff imposed by a government, sovereign, lord, or landlord (2) : an exorbitant charge levied by a person or group having the power of coercion c : the liability to pay tribute
2 a : something given or contributed voluntarily as due or deserved; especially : a gift or service showing respect, gratitude, or affection <a floral tribute> b : something (as material evidence or a formal attestation) that indicates the worth, virtue, or effectiveness of the one in question <the design is a tribute to his ingenuity>

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ORIGINAL: VanIsleKnight

.........It also doesn't help that most Dommes it looks like are only looking for tributes, which to me = money in exchange for domination.  =/





cloudboy -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 12:37:15 PM)


I don't think it follows that women who hate men would take to expressing that through BDSM. The women who have extreme profiles mostly seem to be working professional angles as a way to generate client excitement. I find most of those profiles kind of funny, and sometimes exciting too.




ElanSubdued -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 2:02:10 PM)

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TexasMaam wrote in the Types of Dommes thread:
~~~~ as in all things, VanIsleKnight, tribute is what you make of it.

(snip)

2 a: something given or contributed voluntarily as due or deserved; especially a gift or service showing respect, gratitude, or affection (a floral tribute).  b: something (as material evidence or a formal attestation) that indicates the worth, virtue, or effectiveness of the one in question (the design is a tribute to his ingenuity).


This is posted in the "BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU" thread too, but it's equally topical here.  To those that concentrate on the idea of tribute, I say the following.  I've never found this a productive approach to long term relationships and indeed such an approach is usually baneful.  In short term relationships, tribute or quid pro quo oriented mindsets may be workable, but my experience is that all relationships are more enjoyable and rewarding when each partner considers what they can bring to the other's happiness.  Keep in mind I'm not espousing an accounting approach - far from it in fact.  When each person goes in counting what they give and get, and expecting perfectly balanced books, a relationship is usually headed for bankruptcy in due course.

Relationships are never balanced and at times, due to the partners needs and the emotional investment in each other, may be very unbalanced.  Example:  one partner needs to go to school and the other helps pay and holds down household expenses to enable this.  Another example:  one partner needs help with a family member so the other contributes many hours of assistance (and perhaps some money too).  Rarely do these outlays (whatever they may be:  time, effort, emotional support, money, etc.) balance.  One does these things because they care about their partner and want to see their partner as healthy and as happy as possible.  Sure enough, if one partner takes all the time and never gives anything in return and/or never addresses their partner's needs, this almost always causes problems and likely, in time, causes the relationship to end.  A healthy relationship, in my experience, is one where each partner feels cared about and rewarded by the other, and where all partners contribute to the emotional, logistical, and financial health of each other and of the relationship.

The key here is that all of this happens organically, as a result of each partner contributing of their own, free will, and as a result of each partner's love and commitment to the other.  When "tribute" is expected, the contribution is no longer a gift, no longer of free will, and, perhaps, no longer based on love and commitment.  These types of contributions, in short order, tend to change the focus of each partner from "what can I give" to "what can I get".  In my experience, this kind of mindset is cancerous and few relationships survive it.  So, while the notion of tribute may fit BDSM roles and hierarchy, I put it that this is better left as a tactful way of describing professional fees.  Indeed, no matter the gender or role, when someone demands gifts or focuses on what they're going to receive (particularly in a dating profile), this is extremely unattractive because it's indicative of a cancer yet fully matured.

Specific highlight to TexasMaam:  I'm not implying you demanded anything from your boy.  Rather, I simply want to get out the idea that gifts demanded aren't really gifts at all.

Elan.




VanIsleKnight -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 2:05:46 PM)

I don't necessarily want to get into another argument TexasMaam, but...

1 a : a payment by one ruler or nation to another in acknowledgment of submission or as the price of protection; also : the tax levied for such a payment
b (1) : an excessive tax, rental, or tariff imposed by a government, sovereign, lord, or landlord (or Lady)

So while tribute might mean that meaning to you, tribute might mean either of these two other women or men.  A word that has several definitions is bound to be interpreted differently by several different people of both genders and dominance/submission preferences.  I've just chosen to initially ignore the word but keep it in mind when talking with whoever.   It sounds a lot like jargon anyways, like vanilla or ProDomme.

Also it's somewhat easy to work out which ones are doing this only for money and which ones are genuinely interesting to me.




MsStarlett -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 2:15:51 PM)

At this point in time... I often ask people to "define that word".  Whatever word they use to describe me, themselves, or their fave kink.  It's quite fun to find out how vastly different meanings can be given to the same terms even within the same group.




VanIsleKnight -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 2:35:48 PM)

That is a wonderful idea MsStarlett, and I think you deserve a cookie for that.  :)




MsStarlett -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 3:48:34 PM)

Thank you.  Actually, I came to CM to learn the vocabulary.  There are things that I had done my entire adult life, but never knew they were considered kinks, much less had names.  But the more I read and converse, the more I find that terms are not universal.

Amusing moment last week involved a conversation in a mostly vanilla environment that had turned a bit kinky.  I joked "It's a pity no one here is into Water Sports."  Several laughed.  One of the younger men said "I beg your pardon.  I was on my school's swim team and I'm still into skiing and water polo."  I had to send him a private message explaining what "Water sports" in that context meant urination.




VanIsleKnight -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 3:58:42 PM)

Eeeeeew, something I'll probably never get into at all. Heheh.  I wonder what his reaction was when you told him. =)




RedMagic1 -> RE: Types of Dommes? (8/16/2009 4:43:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VanIsleKnight
Eeeeeew, something I'll probably never get into at all.

You might be surprised what you're capable of enjoying when you're really into someone.  Weird sex is the least of it.




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