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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:08:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's fair enough Lady but then presumably they in turn will not care what dominant women think of them on this thread, so there would be no point in telling them that they are bitter and hateful towards women?

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:09:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

NoreenSwan, you DO seem angry, or at least obstreperous.  Not everyone is spoiling for a fight here.




Of course you would say that - as princess peeon's cheerleader and the rest of the subs who fear the power of feminine influence and come in and whine and rant and complain in threads discussing tributes and financial domination.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:10:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NoreenSwan
How come when you want to shoot below the belt to certain posters, mostly men, you don't do it directly, and instead you hop on another persons post to attack indirectly?


Hates conflict? Oops...now I just did it.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:11:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09

I know the rules Ventrix I just didn't think my request contravened them that's all. Don't you see that there will be plenty of male subs thinking exactly the same thing in reverse?


There is a difference between arguing with someone's position and making a personal attack.  If others choose to make personal attacks, that is their business.  I try to avoid it, though I do plead guilty to the occasional bit of banter that really is too good to pass up.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:12:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I can't speak for Venatrix, but I think she will agree with me when I say that I couldn't care less what most of the sub men who have posted here think about me. 


On the contrary, LadyHib.  I care a good deal what other people think about you.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:13:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are conductig yourself in a way that is both childish and foolish Noreen and you are yet to supply any evidence [or even argument] that I or Peon fear feminine power despite asserting it many times. I'd also point out that this is he only hread concerningtribute I have ever posted on.
Incidentally you are yet to apologise for insulting my female partner.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:13:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Venatrix, all the female posters here have been respectful, it's all the disgruntled "subs" (really bottoms or men who prefer men or other types of men) who fear feminine power that get personal.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:15:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09

That's fair enough Lady but then presumably they in turn will not care what dominant women think of them on this thread, so there would be no point in telling them that they are bitter and hateful towards women?


Again, SB, I can only speak for myself, and as I've said before, a lot of my complaints about men are intended to enlighten them about what they are doing wrong, in the hopes that they will correct their behaviour and thus have better luck.  After 50 pages of posts, I see the same damned men shooting themselves in the same damned foot.  Clearly, there is none so blind as the sub who will not see.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:15:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		You appear to be ignoring your own posts with that declaration noreen. At no point have you been respectful.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:17:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Truly, Starbuck, I don't know why we keep trying to explain to the complainers WHY they don't attract and keep dominant females in their lives.  If those guys who think that paying for the coffee means that they are being exploited, who feel that doing something useful that will help the lady's day go more smoothly is just TOO much trouble unless there is an orgasm attached, who think that D/s is somehow quid pro quo  think that their way is working for them, who are we to try and intervene with a little common sense?  Who are we, just dominant women!

My date last night brought me a coil of GLOW IN THE DARK rope.  He didn't need to, but he knew I liked lime green, and grabbed it.  And dude!  IT GLOWS IN THE DARK!!  Now, how difficult was that for him?  Not so very.   He showed that he was thinking of me while NOT naked,  and bonus, now he knows of my enchantment with glow in the dark things!  He even PAID for DINNER, even though I was expecting we would split the bill.  Men like him remind me that these guys we encounter on the internets are so far from our real life reality that they don't deserve the keystrokes it takes to TRY and set them straight. 

So, if the guys who are holding on to their wallets with their kung-fu grip think that *I* am bitter, grasping, shrewish, whatever, I just don't care.  Those men are not for me, any more than I am for them. 

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:17:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ShaktiSama

I read this post with great interest--don't know if the poster is still reading or interested in this thread, but I have to thank him for adding his perspective.  This really got me thinking about the economics of dominance for men who work in primarily hetero-dom relationships with women, or even gay relationships with submissive men.  How do these dynamics work?



I am afraid the interest expressed above was overlooked.

From a female sub/slave perspective I am just as interested. I did a small search on these forums and found that there is not too much written about it though.

I found this interesting:

http://www.collarchat.com/m_2155287/mpage_1/tm.htm 
pages 5/7

This exploration deserves it's own thread in the General forums.

From the above quoted link I get the impression that there are very few ProDoms, and that 'regular' (not ProDom) Doms look for different kinds of 'tribute' than ProDommes. One of the most important tributes 'regular' Doms receive is sex. It seems that male subs want the same, but because of the dynamic, the sex provided by ProDommes is not seen as 'tribute', nor do the ProDommes/Dommes see 'sex' as tribute received from the male sub. Is it not seen as tribute because of the need of the male sub for sex?

As female sub I do not see sex as the most important thing a Dom can provide.

I mean no disrespect. And I am aware that generalizations by no means fit all. I only hope to gain more insight.

Does a female sub take advantage of a Dom when it is his wish that he provides for her through his income?

What happens, when the male Dominant loses his income, and now the couple depends on the income of the female sub, while she also gives as 'tribute' her service and her submission in the bedroom.

Would that not make the whole dynamic unbalanced?

What happens with the arrangement being consensual when circumstances leave one no choice? Is it possible to move from 'consensual' to 'being taken advantage of' on either side of the dynamic?

Would a Dom and his sub have to renegotiate if this happened?


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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:18:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		But if they do not believe in such a dynamic and do not desire it then surely that is their perogative? There is no definitive style for a B.D.S.M. relationship Venatrix and surely their  ideas of what constituts relationship bliss are as legitimate as your own?

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:21:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lady but that is not what I and many others are arguing. I have no problem with gifts. I however dislike tribute intensely. Those who enjoy it fair enough. Those who think I am a lesser man for not enjoying it that is not fair enough. There have been men here who have couched their opinion in less than graceful language as there ave been women who have done the same. I have no problem whatsoever with your second paragraph that is how I conduct myself when on a date.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:23:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Venatrix

  If it's not your thing, why continue to be so outraged about it? 

For whatever reason, there's quite an amount of hostility being shown by a (thankfully) relatively small group of vociferous but socially impotent men.


I believe the hostility comes because these "subs" or in cases rather, gay men or misogynists dressed in sub clothes, resent feminine power and influence and that's why they get so outraged when they see women doing their thing and getting their needs and desires met by very happy and willing submissive men.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:24:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay Noreen... now you have me saying it... get over yourself.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:25:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aw, don't feel bad, put me on ignore so you won't get yourself frustrated.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:26:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09

But if they do not believe in such a dynamic and do not desire it then surely that is their perogative? There is no definitive style for a B.D.S.M. relationship Venatrix and surely their  ideas of what constituts relationship bliss are as legitimate as your own?


Then why the hell do they identify as submissive men looking for a dominant woman on an effing BDSM web site?  We are dominant women telling submissive men what it is that dominant women want, and these are the same men who are complaining that they can't find a dominant woman even to give them the time of day.  If their approach were working so well, I'd agree with you.  But these are the men I referred to above as "socially impotent," because no dominant woman with any standards would consider taking them on.

Starbuck, ONCE AGAIN, I am not talking about money.  I am talking about men who don't want to do a damned thing for you, but want you to be available to them whenever they want their kink satisfied.  If they can find a dominant woman who is willing to settle for such poor treatment, for no remuneration at all, good on them.  If I were a betting woman, however, I wouldn't give them very good odds on that happening.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:30:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NoreenSwan

Aw, don't feel bad, put me on ignore so you won't get yourself frustrated.


I don't put people on ignore but thanks for your projection. Again you are wrong. I see no feline powers coming from your stance... just an opionated, unfair, unrealistic woman who cannot see clearly.

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:34:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Starbuck09

Lady but that is not what I and many others are arguing. I have no problem with gifts. I however dislike tribute intensely. Those who enjoy it fair enough. Those who think I am a lesser man for not enjoying it that is not fair enough. There have been men here who have couched their opinion in less than graceful language as there ave been women who have done the same. I have no problem whatsoever with your second paragraph that is how I conduct myself when on a date.


I too object to "tribute" when demanded by someone other than a pro dominant.  When I was a proD, I had set rates, and my clients got good value.  I have never asked anyone that I was personally interested in for money.

But, when I am in a relationship?  Yes, I do expect gifts.  I want my coils of rope, and little cakes, and ebony knitting needles!  Texas Ma'am is in a long term committed RELATIONSHIP with a man who was not wealthy when she met him.  This man helps with her handicapped relatives, thinks of her when he is working abroad, and generally makes her feel valued for WHO she is, rather than what she can provide him in kinky fashion. 

Because TM~~a lady with her own job and income~~ used the dreaded T word for the gifts that her man freely gave her, she was marked as a golddigger, a harlot, and a braggart!  By men, pretty much.  The first thing that came to my mind was, "Jealous, guys?"  That still is how I feel.  TM loved that guy when he was just a guy with a job, and if he was still a guy with a job, she would love him just the same.  But she dared show off!  Imagine!  And so the mudslinging began.

It makes me sad, but not for myself.  Some folks dig their own pits and won't examine their own behaviour. 

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RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OL... - 9/5/2009 12:41:12 PM   
Venatrix


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I want my coils of rope, and little cakes, and ebony knitting needles!  



Someone gave you ebony knitting needles?  No one's ever bought me knitting needles.  Not even the aluminium kind.

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