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PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 2:35:02 AM)
Ah defense...sounds so noble! I wonder why you found yourself apologizing, then? In case anyone felt offended. Sounded more like some subtle aggression to me. It wasn't subtle, and it was about frustration more than anything. The ironies! Btw, I also noticed you said you were done with this thread a few pages back. What happened? lol [:D] Who can really tell? I'm a very mysterious guy, Isaac. Some might conjecture that I changed my mind. But I fear that the real truth will forever elude us. . . . .

WyldHrt -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 3:53:11 AM)
quote: Please come off your self-made pedestal or better yet, step away from that high budget cross and realize not every one here is impressed with you. Perhaps not everyone, but I would guess a large number of folks who have actually met or talked to LadyP are quite impressed with her. Having met her just over a month ago, I'll happily count myself among those who hold her in high regard. I'll also posit that several other Dommes who have posted here are respected and seen as impressive by many. As for you, Noreen, not so much. Making personal attacks while whining about the personal attacks made by others is, quite simply, hypocrisy in action. It is not impressive, nor does it inspire respect. I suggest that you take a good, objective look at your last several posts and think about what they convey to those reading them. If you aren't angry, why do your posts come across that way to everyone who isn't you?

Politesub53 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 4:51:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic Perhaps I will be 'forced' to read Harry Potter. Actually I have read up to the fourth book (eight hours give and take for the forth one. i did not stop reading it.) but.... nonfiction is my bag. GO DICTIONARY! Go dictionary indeed ! You were right to spell the first fourth, fourth, but then spoilt it by going forth and spelling the second fourth, forth. [8D]

LadyPact -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 6:05:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WyldHrt Perhaps not everyone, but I would guess a large number of folks who have actually met or talked to LadyP are quite impressed with her. Having met her just over a month ago, I'll happily count myself among those who hold her in high regard. I'll also posit that several other Dommes who have posted here are respected and seen as impressive by many. You do know that you are entirely too kind to Me. I can't wait to see you next week.

SimplyIsaac -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 11:33:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer The ironies! Btw, I also noticed you said you were done with this thread a few pages back. What happened? lol [:D] Who can really tell? I'm a very mysterious guy, Isaac. Some might conjecture that I changed my mind. But I fear that the real truth will forever elude us. . . . . I conjecture the real truth is you can't stay away? [:D]

SimplyIsaac -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 11:43:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NoreenSwan Don't point your finger lady, you and your friends are just as guilty of snarky remarks, who are you kidding. Stop acting like you're not. You've made your own fair share of condenscing, egotistical, snarky comments to various OPs and lets not pretend otherwise. Maybe if you weren't so full of yourself, you would see how hipocritical you are. Please come off your self-made pedestal or better yet, step away from that high budget cross and realize not every one here is impressed with you. Noreen, you forgot to capitalize the "y" in You when referring to ms. pact. [:D] But seriously, i will admit hypocrisy and self importance can be amusing when it starts waving the finger.

LadyPact -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 1:21:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer The ironies! Btw, I also noticed you said you were done with this thread a few pages back. What happened? lol [:D] Who can really tell? I'm a very mysterious guy, Isaac. Some might conjecture that I changed my mind. But I fear that the real truth will forever elude us. . . . . I conjecture the real truth is you can't stay away? [:D] I think a number of us have been sucked into the vortex. We may think we're getting out of it and then we're just drawn back in.

Venatrix -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 1:35:36 PM)
I'm just looking for a cheap form of escapism.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 2:09:11 PM)
Edited: Nah. Other things to do.

undergroundsea -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 5:18:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TexasMaam I do not see you to be a golddigger and the fact that you were with Manthing before he was able to do what he is now attests as much. By my definition, what Manthing has given you are gifts because they are not a prerequisite to the relationship and come from the sincerity that is apparent in the time and energy he has given to help your family and friends. I think his sincerity merits praise. Your words left room for interpretation and I apologize for taking them in the wrong spirit to the extent I have done so. Cheers, Sea

undergroundsea -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 7:20:18 PM)
For good communication, I reiterate my definition of tribute, and scenarios with which I take issue. I define tribute as material offerings that are critical in order to begin or sustain an interpersonal, non-business relationship. I do not object to scenarios where people are doing it for mutual kink. I take issue with scenarios where (1) it is done outside consent, or (2) it comes from a place of disrespect. quote: ORIGINAL: Andalusite Sea, I guess I feel that liking and respect are necessary for a friendship. Of course, I wouldn't want a boyfriend who I didn't like or respect either, but that's not enough on its own for a romantic relationship. I agree that liking and respect are necessary for a friendship. The closeness in relationships comes in shades of grey, and the amount of like and respect is related to the particular shade of grey--the amount of like and respect is greater for a companion than it is for an acquaintance. Also, if a woman seeks tribute from her partner who seeks the same in a dynamic, I am fine with it. It does not impede friendship because our relationship is based on a mutual social exchange, which aligns with my social philosophy. If there was a precondition on our relationship that I saw to be disrespectful to me, it would impede our friendship. If her practice of tribute is done in a way that I consider objectionable or abusive (as I describe at the beginning of this post), it would impact the friendship or, at least, define a safe distance. Without directing my comments at tribute specifically and speaking in general, I have an easier time trusting or being close with someone whose actions are guided by kindness, compassion, or principles and ethics. I then have greater trust about this person's behavior towards me and those close to me. To convey my point through an example, suppose I knew someone who I came to know was pocketing money that his roommate was leaving lying around and justified it through some means (for example, his roommate hasn't paid him back for whatever). I would wonder if this person could be trusted given that he had a found a way to rationalize what I consider wrong. Would this person one day screw me and find a way to rationalize it? It is this reasoning that is behind the caution I mention--if someone is treating another person in a way that is unfair, how does it impact my respect for this person, and will this trait one day be directed at me? I know some people who seek tribute or participate in consensual financial domination about whom I have a good opinion and do not equate seeking tribute to questionable character. However, there are some personality types I consider untrustworthy who might be drawn to this practice, and I direct my caution at them. Cheers, Sea

undergroundsea -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 7:23:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac Noreen, you forgot to capitalize the "y" in You when referring to ms. pact. [:D] I am glad to see you are flirting with Noreen. I think you two have things in common and bet you two would make a good couple. Cheers, Sea

firmlove -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 10:08:21 PM)
This might be a stupid question, but are those who ask for a tribute just out to scam or is this really a way to find out if a guy is willing to spoil her in all ways?

undergroundsea -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 11:06:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AAkasha My reasoning for even being involved in these debates is similar, but I also feel it's important to point out to the new people who may be reading or lurking that the opinions of this group of fairly eloquent and seemingly "well put together" submissives is NOT the way to attract a femdom. There's a group of really vocal subs who seem to talk like they know how to attract and have successful relationships with femdoms but in reality what they preach is a very poor approach. You seem to equate an objection to the concept of tribute as an objection to what might be done on dates. This equivalence is incorrect. I asked you pages ago to point out on what you based this notion. Who are the group of fairly eloquent and seemingly "well put together" submissives who you think to be using a wrong approach? What is their approach? I am not convinced you know what you are saying and I think what you claim is incorrect. If it is correct, please provide a name or quote a text. quote: At the very least, subs need to know that courting a femdom requires at the mimimum the same respect and rituals vanillas provide I agree entirely that doing what is done in vanilla courting is a good idea. Suppose you are giving advice to a vanilla woman about dating. Would you tell this woman to tell men who contact her that they must pay her something in order to speak to her, or that they must give her material things if they wish to sustain the relationship? I hope not for sake of this woman. Why this inconsistency about using manners that are used in conventional courting? quote: While many femdoms don't have any strict guidelines for this kind of treament, they sense immediately which guys are painfully cheap, and it ruins their chances out of the gate. I have found the approach I describe above--to act as one would in vanilla circumstances--to work fairly well for me in BDSM situations. My success, however, has occurred because I have been judicious about to whom I have extended this approach--I seek social, non-material relationships and direct my focus at dommes who appear to seek the same. I pass on profiles that seem to indicate otherwise. So what you describe happens the other way around also. A domme who is seeking a social relationship might compromise chances with a sub who is seeking a social relationship if she come across as one who is seeking a material relationship. quote: ORIGINAL Starbuck09 Akasha you've siad this a number of times but who are these men? MY own stance has nothing to do with what you have written but this is not the first time you have quoted my posts to make this point. I'll say again I never complain about my relationships or partners because I am happy, they work for me and they work well. You seem to be ignoring what i am arguing and inserting a different viewpoint into my posts that simply is not there and frankly it is extremely offensive. I agree with Starbuck09. I find it offensive that you arbitrarily assign imagined behavior to the posters here and then engage in namecalling. Does it matter to you that you are doing that? Cheers, Sea

undergroundsea -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 11:11:04 PM)
LadyPact, Elan, and Peon, Thank you for your kind words about my posts and seminars :) Cheers, Sea

undergroundsea -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/6/2009 11:20:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued quote: undergroundsea: We've surpassed the cock sucking thread! It's time for some GoRemy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo-_Y4aL1uo&feature=popular "Check your little horsey gonna' mess with me... oh pop... next stop glue factory!" Yes, I play chess so I found this immensely funny. I also play chess and found the glue factory line to be one the best in the video! I also enjoyed his graph that graphs his awesomeness at making graphs in comparison to a punk ;-) Cheers, Sea

SthrnCom4t -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/7/2009 12:28:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact quote: ORIGINAL: SimplyIsaac quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer The ironies! Btw, I also noticed you said you were done with this thread a few pages back. What happened? lol [:D] Who can really tell? I'm a very mysterious guy, Isaac. Some might conjecture that I changed my mind. But I fear that the real truth will forever elude us. . . . . I conjecture the real truth is you can't stay away? [:D] I think a number of us have been sucked into the vortex. We may think we're getting out of it and then we're just drawn back in. I think we have enough pages and people that we would qualify for a group rate on therapy!

blackpearl81 -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/7/2009 1:00:10 AM)
<sings> This is the thread that never ends..... Cus' it goes on and on my friends..... Some people.... started posting, not knowing what it was Now they can not stop at all because This is the thread that never ends..... Cus it goes on and on my friends.... </sings> Nothing like a little 4 am humor. Side note: Charley horses suck. Nothing like being woken up from a nice deep sleep by the Charley Horse from hell.

PeonForHer -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/7/2009 2:27:33 AM)
Thank you for your kind words about my posts and seminars :) You're very welcome. I understand that your presentations focus a lot on the psychology of it all. That's a subject by which I don't think I'll ever stop being fascinated. Should you make it across the pond to do some similar gigs here, you're assured of a crashpad in one city, at least. (And while you're here you could show me how the devil you're able to press your feet up against your chest like that.)

TexasMaam -> RE: BOIZ, LEMME TELL YOU HOW IT'S DONE....THAT TIRED OLD TOPIC, "TRIBUTE"..... (9/7/2009 4:14:04 AM)
The barbs, insults and flames on these boards have no impact on Me so no apology is necessary, but thank you. I’m not here to win a popularity contest. I’m here to gain insight, ideas and feedback about WIITWD, and to sometimes offer a thought or share an experience when My muse to write moves Me. I also enjoy 'stirring things up' tongue in cheek, which is often misinterpreted, which does not bother Me in the least. That said, in actuality, sea, I did require much from farmlandsub before we got together this time around. My relationship w CadillacSub, (as he will now forever be thought of in My heart, many thanks to cloudboy for that moniker!), began quite a few years ago. I won’t go into the details but suffice to say I was not his priority at the time. He wanted BDSM, he wanted a Domme, he wanted to explore his needs. Our relationship ended in bitter conflict. I have rarely ever taken a sub back who failed Me. On those rare occasions it has always been a disaster. This time seems to be the exception. When CadillacSub and I began to communicate again, he professed his undying wish to prove himself to Me over and over again, and of course I did not believe he was sincere. I was unmoved. And yet, there was still something there, a connection I had not felt with a sub for many, many years: a connection I thought worth the risk of trying to redevelop. Ergo, I truly put him to the test for many, many long months before I would ever consider seeing him in a BDSM context. I did demand tribute, I asked first for this and then for that, whether it was time, or a specific item, or a given assignment, one after the other I issued request after request and he complied. We danced this dance for over a year before I began to take him seriously at all. Not only did I demand tribute, I demanded his complete submission, knowing his whereabouts at all times, I demanded he be accessible any time day or night, I demanded he accept and understand My anger, bitterness and resentment over all that had gone wrong the first time around. I demanded his time; I demanded his money if I felt like it; I demanded things I needed; I demanded things I wanted; I demanded silly, superfluous things, just to see how he would respond. He submitted. Completely, in ways I will never share on this forum. In short, anytime I asked, anything I asked, the man ran faster than a speeding bullet, was more powerful than a locomotive, & leapt tall buildings at a single bound…….anything, and I mean anything I required, he humbly, quietly, sincerely and immediately provided or accomplished or complied with. He went so far above and beyond anything I asked of him that he finally got My attention and My time. He went so far beyond any expectations that he finally won My heart. If you ask him, I am certain he will tell you that it has been a slow, painful, frustrating and arduous road for us to get to where we are today. I’m certain he’d also tell you it’s no picnic, even now. Because he continues to make the sacrifices necessary for our relationship to endure, and believe Me he is making tremendous personal sacrifices on a daily basis, our relationship has deepened far beyond the point were we broke it off so many years ago. It has deepened to the point where I no longer push him beyond his own resources just for the sake of doing so. I wouldn’t think of it. Today, we function as a unit, with equal input as to what our next priorities should be. In addition he continues to amaze and delight Me every single day with his devotion and generosity. So it is true that a “do me” sub, an “awful sub”, can change, grow and develop into that ‘CadillacSub’ we Dommes dream about. But first, “the sub (light bulb) has to really want to change”…… All the best, ; ) TM quote: ORIGINAL: undergroundsea I do not see you to be a golddigger and the fact that you were with Manthing before he was able to do what he is now attests as much. By my definition, what Manthing has given you are gifts because they are not a prerequisite to the relationship and come from the sincerity that is apparent in the time and energy he has given to help your family and friends. I think his sincerity merits praise. Your words left room for interpretation and I apologize for taking them in the wrong spirit to the extent I have done so. Cheers, Sea

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