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LillyoftheVally -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 4:02:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Imo there IS a shortage of dominant men.



In an all the good ones are taken kind of way?




littlewonder -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 4:05:42 PM)

heh..something like that.





LadyPact -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 4:17:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomImus

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
When you're good in your chosen role, you are sought after, no matter how the numbers stack up.


Good point although I'd have left out the 'in your chosen role' qualifier. I didn't choose my role in all of this. If anything, it chose me. I also agree with you that it would create a healthy survival of the fittest environment that I'd certainly welcome. Perhaps it would separate those that chose this from those that are this.



Thank you for agreeing with the concept, even if you didn't especially like the qualifier.  It was more My way of saying if you're good in being who you are, wherever who you are falls on the spectrum.  I just didn't want to go through the b/s/s and T/D/M thing that includes everybody.




dreamerdreaming -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 4:31:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IronBear

Time for a slave raid on the local mall and then set up a slave auction on the spot. You will rake in the sheckles before you have to move locations and finally relocate to another country with no extradition laws. 


*throws the dart guns, nets, blindfolds, shackles and chains into the back of the van*




LookieNoNookie -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 4:44:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz



Imagine if the tables were turned on us within this lifestyle and suddenly there were not enough male subs to go round, too many Mistresses, and a huge amount of female submissives but hardly any male Dominants. Imagine if every time a Dom or male sub went to his male box he was inundated with mail but us women hardly ever got mail.

Would women carry on this lifestyle. Would we sit and send letters in the hope that a male sub or Dom would read them and get back to us. Would we change do you think?


I'd be rich!!!!!

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(maniacle laugh!!!!)




DomImus -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 5:37:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LillyoftheVally
Course you chose it, we all do or else we wouldn't be on BDSM sites. You can shrug off the 'role' if you want to. I certainly chose to be here, granted I feel happy and comfortable when I am in a power exchange relationship and less so when not but that doesn't mean I would be unable to function without that, I cope being single just fine. I choose to identify with the term submissive, I choose to seek power exchange relationships.


This logic dictates that gay men who are members of a gay male dating website chose to be gay. Nice try.

I chose to join collar.me but the reasons that led me here were not something I chose.




CaringandReal -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 6:01:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Truthfully, I think what would happen would be that the numbers would equal out.  While there are a number of confident, driven females on both sides of the kneel, if the tables were turned, the surplus would very quickly fall to the wayside.  Gone quickly would be the types who are around just to make a quick buck or anyone who is struggling with self esteem.




Ahem. No.

Struggling with self-esteem doesn't mean one lacks other qualities such as preserverance, competitiveness, creativity, assertiveness, keen intelligence, and intense focus, all of which tend to put one near the top of any sort of race for rare human commodities.

Perhaps the act of struggling with low-self-esteem, at least over the long term, gives some women a different sort of strength, the sort that would stand them in good stead in a scarcity environment. Humbleness, maybe? Well, at least that's a strength for a submissive woman.

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The thread question is an interesting one. I cannot speak for dominant women but I see the actual online situation for submissive women as being very close to what was described at the start of this thread as a "what if?" As I see it, the real maldom/femsub demographics online and elsewhere work very much like the social orders in animal groups. While there are an innumerable number of men beating their chests online and claiming dominance, only a very few of these men are seen as attractive by submissive women. The attractive doms, whether you call them alphas, call them guys with game, or call them something else somehow do things right: submissive women percieve them as dominant and hot or interesting and actively pursue them. The other men, the betas (or the guys with lame? ;) ), have little sucesss at attracting the interest of the sub women. Turnover among this group is very high, profiles are here one day, gone the next (although a lot of them come back with a new profile, hoping a different name or approach or something will attract the women.) If a guy with lame does attract a submissive, he usually don't keep her interested for long.

In my experience, the proportion of "guys with game" to "guys with lame" is very small. One in several hundred, I suspect. For the guys with game, websites like this are their oysters, their happy hunting grounds. They can pick and choose virtually whomever they want. Sure, they get the occasional snub from a spoiled princess type or a scared woman who turns down everybody or someone who just happens to delete their email without reading it, but the women paying attention almost always respond very positively to such men, at the same time as they are ignoring or feeling disdain (or even pity) toward the other types. And yes, like anmials who group, the few doms that are highly attractive to submissives often form harems. It's a natural outcome both of the demongraphics and also of the natures/personalities of many male dominants.

For some reason, I don't think my theory is going to be too popular. :) At any rate, take it with a grain of salt, it's just what I and a few friends have personally observed out there in the wild frontiers of Singlesland, and I put it forth just as something interesting to consider and not as True Fact Writ In Stone.




hardbodysub -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 6:04:15 PM)

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Imagine if every time a Dom or male sub went to his male box he was inundated with mail


You mean that doesn't happen to all the other guys too?




VanIsleKnight -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 8:06:59 PM)

I imagine that profiles for male subs would be something along the lines of...

"Prosub only, my body is precious and I will not allow just -any- headstrong dominant whip my tender flesh.  You have to prove that you will be gentle and nurturing as well as firm and disciplined.  Female Supremacists need not apply, do NOT contact me if you are from out of the city."

xD




LadyPact -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 8:42:49 PM)

Kind of makes you wonder if we females would ignore such things put in profiles and proceed to be annoying until we were blocked by the males.  [8D]




VanIsleKnight -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 8:46:37 PM)

I think it'd be really interesting for one big culture shock to happen at least once a year, where something that just always "was" suddenly wasn't.  It'd be only for a day, but still, imagine the effects that one day could have.  Would probably help us as a species progress substantially in my opinion if we were able to rid ourselves of cultural and societal shackles that held us back.




DarkSteven -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/12/2009 9:02:27 PM)

Sadie Hawkins Day?




allthatjaz -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 12:30:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Imo there IS a shortage of dominant men.



You may be right. Although there may appear to be more Dominant male profiles than sub females online.
Truly/serious Dominant males may well be a lesser number than truly/serious submissive females.
Its just a needle in a haystack, especially with the huge amount of mail that comes through on here for each individual fem sub.




allthatjaz -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 12:48:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal


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The thread question is an interesting one. I cannot speak for dominant women but I see the actual online situation for submissive women as being very close to what was described at the start of this thread as a "what if?" As I see it, the real maldom/femsub demographics online and elsewhere work very much like the social orders in animal groups. While there are an innumerable number of men beating their chests online and claiming dominance, only a very few of these men are seen as attractive by submissive women. The attractive doms, whether you call them alphas, call them guys with game, or call them something else somehow do things right: submissive women percieve them as dominant and hot or interesting and actively pursue them. The other men, the betas (or the guys with lame? ;) ), have little sucesss at attracting the interest of the sub women. Turnover among this group is very high, profiles are here one day, gone the next (although a lot of them come back with a new profile, hoping a different name or approach or something will attract the women.) If a guy with lame does attract a submissive, he usually don't keep her interested for long.

In my experience, the proportion of "guys with game" to "guys with lame" is very small. One in several hundred, I suspect. For the guys with game, websites like this are their oysters, their happy hunting grounds. They can pick and choose virtually whomever they want. Sure, they get the occasional snub from a spoiled princess type or a scared woman who turns down everybody or someone who just happens to delete their email without reading it, but the women paying attention almost always respond very positively to such men, at the same time as they are ignoring or feeling disdain (or even pity) toward the other types. And yes, like anmials who group, the few doms that are highly attractive to submissives often form harems. It's a natural outcome both of the demongraphics and also of the natures/personalities of many male dominants.

For some reason, I don't think my theory is going to be too popular. :) At any rate, take it with a grain of salt, it's just what I and a few friends have personally observed out there in the wild frontiers of Singlesland, and I put it forth just as something interesting to consider and not as True Fact Writ In Stone.


This post very much reflects (in my opinion) the true experience from what I have witnessed online with fem subs and male Dominants.
Another thing I have noticed in the real world is, if I have a submissive then that submissive suddenly becomes much more attractive to other female Dominants. People often want what they can't have or perhaps its just they see some reality in what we have.
The same could be said online/those writing to forums who are in ongoing Dom/sub relationships. Its an open testimonial that its the real McCoy and the real McCoy is often more attractive than perhaps someone without validity
Thank you for such an incisive post.




leadership527 -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 7:51:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
The same could be said online/those writing to forums who are in ongoing Dom/sub relationships. Its an open testimonial that its the real McCoy and the real McCoy is often more attractive than perhaps someone without validity.

So I partially agree with this. From my own experience, I note that with very, very few exceptions, the slaves that I would be interested in are already in a long-term relationship. My theory has always been that actual long-term success is definitely a sorting process and it shakes out the "lost in fantasy' folks. I don't think they are "more slavey". I think they are less-so and for that reason, I assess them as actual possible partners. When I read their posts, they sound like real women who just happen to submit as opposed to characters in a marketplace novel.

But for all of that, there is also a feedback loop present that definitely skews the picture. Take a look at the position I am in. I have already WON. I have the girl, the house, the car, yada yada. Not only that, but I've had it all for a long time. So it's not all the surprising that I exude confidence and stability. But if Carol were to die and I was single, I would be less confident, more shaken in general, more needy, more lots of things. How that would change the picture is anyone's guess. But I'm just a little leary of the "proven success" theory because I think there's some important feedback loops in the system. In the absence of Carol, I would not be the calm, capable, assertive, yada yada man that I am now to at least some extent.




VampiresLair -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 7:55:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz



Imagine if the tables were turned on us within this lifestyle and suddenly there were not enough male subs to go round, too many Mistresses, and a huge amount of female submissives but hardly any male Dominants. Imagine if every time a Dom or male sub went to his male box he was inundated with mail but us women hardly ever got mail.

Would women carry on this lifestyle. Would we sit and send letters in the hope that a male sub or Dom would read them and get back to us. Would we change do you think?


I know I personally wouldnt change. Even with the vast pool that was available now I only talked meaningfully with 1 or 2 out of the influx in my mailbox. I dont think having fewer to refuse on a regular basis would change how I looked. I would still have been holding out waiting for a good match, however long it took. And I found Fox regardless of the numbers around him. High or low I like to think that we still would have connected.

DV




OttersSwim -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 7:57:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: leadership527

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz
The same could be said online/those writing to forums who are in ongoing Dom/sub relationships. Its an open testimonial that its the real McCoy and the real McCoy is often more attractive than perhaps someone without validity.

So I partially agree with this. From my own experience, I note that with very, very few exceptions, the slaves that I would be interested in are already in a long-term relationship. My theory has always been that actual long-term success is definitely a sorting process and it shakes out the "lost in fantasy' folks. I don't think they are "more slavey". I think they are less-so and for that reason, I assess them as actual possible partners. When I read their posts, they sound like real women who just happen to submit as opposed to characters in a marketplace novel.

But for all of that, there is also a feedback loop present that definitely skews the picture. Take a look at the position I am in. I have already WON. I have the girl, the house, the car, yada yada. Not only that, but I've had it all for a long time. So it's not all the surprising that I exude confidence and stability. But if Carol were to die and I was single, I would be less confident, more shaken in general, more needy, more lots of things. How that would change the picture is anyone's guess. But I'm just a little leary of the "proven success" theory because I think there's some important feedback loops in the system. In the absence of Carol, I would not be the calm, capable, assertive, yada yada man that I am now to at least some extent.


And -so say we all- who are in relationships with wonderful supportive partners...great post! [sm=applause.gif]




missunderstood88 -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 8:12:19 AM)


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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Imagine if the tables were turned on us within this lifestyle and suddenly there were not enough male subs to go round, too many Mistresses, and a huge amount of female submissives but hardly any male Dominants. Imagine if every time a Dom or male sub went to his male box he was inundated with mail but us women hardly ever got mail.

Would women carry on this lifestyle. Would we sit and send letters in the hope that a male sub or Dom would read them and get back to us. Would we change do you think?

Too many mistresses would be great, since I'm looking for one. Your post assumes that men look for women and women look for men.




slavekal -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 8:27:06 AM)

Aakasha, I don't think there is any such thing as a vanilla guy, just guys whose fetishes and submission are not always at the forefront of their minds.  A smart, skillful Mistress can easily tap into the slave inside.

To answer the original question, the Mistress standard would go way up.  Many subs hook up with Mistresses who are less attractive than they would like because of their rarity.  If Mistresses were everywhere one looked, the sub guys would become more picky.  It would not be so different from a guy who suddenly finds himself famous or rich.  All of a sudden, he has access to more and hotter women.  A lot of these guys trade in the first wife for a newer model. 




Taggerung -> RE: If the tables were turned. (8/13/2009 8:42:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz



Imagine if the tables were turned on us within this lifestyle and suddenly there were not enough male subs to go round, too many Mistresses, and a huge amount of female submissives but hardly any male Dominants. Imagine if every time a Dom or male sub went to his male box he was inundated with mail but us women hardly ever got mail.

Would women carry on this lifestyle. Would we sit and send letters in the hope that a male sub or Dom would read them and get back to us. Would we change do you think?


I wouldn't change much. Maybe have less mail to go through, which would be nice. I'm here for the long haul and if that means I've got to stand out in the competition more then I already do, so be it.
And I would send out the letters to the people I like just ike I do now.
I don't think Im just going to be walking down the road and this guy is going to run up to me drop to his knees and be like "Please ma'am Im all yours to do with what you wish. I like romance, philisophy, and I can cook a really good goulash and make perfect toast. I also like cleaning and taking long walks on the beach with my Bermese Mountian dog. Oh did I mention Im rich and only 23 years old?" Nice as that might be. I've got to get out and do some leg work and meet people I find interesting.

In short, it wouldn't affect me. As for the others, Im sure it would weed out the people who aren't in this for all the right reasons or hell mostly the right reasons. Work normally does that. And I think the male subs would get more selective. Who can blame them? Its the laws of supply and demand...




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