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The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 7:51:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		This has been partly inspired by two threads 'If the tables were turned' by allthatjaz here and CallaFirestormBW's 'Humanity? Responsibility?' thread over in Politics and Religion.

Now let's assume that everything is reduced to zero - that there is no equipment, no 'fetish' clothing, no floggers, no whips, no ropes, no restraints, no St Andrews Crosses, nothing, nada, just you the person in fact just human beings.

What effect would that have on your relationships? Would you still be able to remain a part of WIITWD and include it as a part of your lifestyle? Would you be able to still maintain a successful relationship involving a dynamic or WIITWD?



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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:03:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		For us, about 99% of WIITWD is D/s... no equipment needed or required. We have zero SM component and only the tiniest of BD. In short, for us, it really IS all in the mind.

If I was required to turn over anything even remotely "fetishy" in our house, it'd be a few collars, a few leashes, one set of cuffs, and one set of slave silks. I'd miss the symbology of the collar and how beautiful she looks in the silks. But honestly, it wouldn't really change anything for us. I would still boss carol around a lot *laughs*. She'd stll grumble and make surly faces at me while she skipped off ot obey.

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:04:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		As long as there are hands and bare bottoms...there will be BDSM...

More seriously though...I think that the equipment is just part of the trappings.  WIITWD is all about the ineraction between two people and the exchange of power, authority in relationship, and satisfaction of primal maso and sado urges.  As long as that is in place, a hand or a wooden spoon or a treebranch...or a word or a look is sufficient.

Just don't take away my skirts though...the whole fabric of the universe tears when that happens! 

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:05:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

For us, about 99% of WIITWD is D/s... no equipment needed or required. If I was required to turn over anything even remotely "fetishy" in our house, it'd be a few collars, a few leashes, one set of cuffs, and one set of slave silks. I'd miss the symbology of the collar and how beautiful she looks in the silks. But honestly, it wouldn't really change anything for us.


I would be just fine, you would be surprised at how many household gadgets {ping pong paddles} can be
pervertables.
I would get along just fine, with nothing fetish related {including the costumes and gadgets}, in fact I already do!

This is who and what I am, I could/would/do manage well with or without the toybag and costumes.

I can stand alone, naked and with nothing and do damn well.

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:08:53 AM   
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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:10:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I know I was interested in D/s before I was really even aware of all the trappings. While collars and floggers and cuffs and such are all a lot of fun, I'm pretty sure I'd continue having sex and relationships with a strong power exchange element without them.

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:12:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		For me, there is only one way to answer that: The effect that removing all the props would have on my personal dynamic is negligible.  My spouse and I continually use the lifestyle in a mental and verbal way...and we rarely rely on props anymore.  Our relationship began with a heavy emphasis on rope and toys, but we have moved beyond that now.  I think that in a broader sense, the removal of props would only enhance the quality of relationships within the lifestyle.  Just like in a normal loving relationship an absence makes the bond seem stronger, the dynamic of WIITWD should strengthen with the removal of physical aids.  This has always been more about connections between like minded people, and even without a prop to put a label on it, people will still please themselves with other like minded people.

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:17:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes.  Absolutely.  Although without belts my trousers might fall down at embarassing moments.

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:25:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

Yes.  Absolutely.  Although without belts my trousers might fall down at embarassing moments.


Oh that's all cool as long as there is no one taking photographs...
 
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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:30:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Apocalypso

Yes.  Absolutely.  Although without belts my trousers might fall down at embarassing moments.


Oh that's all cool as long as there is no one taking photographs...
 
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Yes, but is there a better time to have a camera?  Alan Funt didn't think so. 

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:35:43 AM   
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Just don't take away my skirts though...the whole fabric of the universe tears when that happens!


You're just too cute :)


And it wouldnt affect Jonnie and me at all.


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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:41:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Darcyandthedark


Oh that's all cool as long as there is no one taking photographs...

the.dark.
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And as long as the parson doesn't arrive unexpectedly for tea and biscuits, leading to a hilarious misunderstanding.


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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 8:44:30 AM   
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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 12:16:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well all fetishes would disappear except those related to parts of the body.
Oh and compiters and web cams so that kind of fucks the long distance relationships. And mobile phones.
It certainly would make my pond a great deal smaller, in fact given the nature of where I live I would likely be the only switch in town.
Right back to the days of scarcity.



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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 12:20:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stella41b

This has been partly inspired by two threads 'If the tables were turned' by allthatjaz here and CallaFirestormBW's 'Humanity? Responsibility?' thread over in Politics and Religion.

Now let's assume that everything is reduced to zero - that there is no equipment, no 'fetish' clothing, no floggers, no whips, no ropes, no restraints, no St Andrews Crosses, nothing, nada, just you the person in fact just human beings.

What effect would that have on your relationships? Would you still be able to remain a part of WIITWD and include it as a part of your lifestyle? Would you be able to still maintain a successful relationship involving a dynamic or WIITWD?



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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 12:28:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: leadership527

For us, about 99% of WIITWD is D/s... no equipment needed or required.


Ditto... though that 1% is quite fun!!!



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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 12:59:41 PM   
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For MP and I, it wouldn't have mattered a bit, but we have no power dynamic between us.

For clip and I, it's harder to say.  Considering we met at a BDSM club, which I would think would be a situation that exists only because "all of the trappings" exists, I may have never met him at all. 


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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 1:03:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		damn i thought this was gonna explain what WIITWD means, i mean i know of corse! just some new guy out there might not... 

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 1:22:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Absolutely. I have no need for all the toys and equipment. For me it's all about dominance and submission, power and service, leading and following.

The rest is just icing on the cake.

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RE: The source of WIITWD? - 8/13/2009 1:24:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VanityFix
damn i thought this was gonna explain what WIITWD means, i mean i know of corse! just some new guy out there might not... 

Whatever It Is That We Do

Just a phrase to get away from pretty much any and all restrictions. For instance, I do an M/s relationship with no bondage, disicpline, sadism, or masochism. Who the hell knows if that's BDSM? But whatever it is, it's what we do.

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