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Esinn -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/15/2009 11:56:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: pyroaquatic

He was a human before and he is human now.

That is your opinion.
http://barackobamaantichrist.blogspot.com/
(listen to the first few seconds of the first video only on this.  Then toss this link in the trash where it belongs)
Obama states with pride:
"I was not born in a manger."

Then watch this video in its entirety.

http://christwire.org/2009/08/proof-that-barack-hussein-obama-is-the-antichrist/

He is obviously not human. Even if he is not the anti-christ humans are not born on Krypton.




Brain -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 2:06:58 AM)

I don't agree with you about the pharmaceutical companies. I understand why you're unhappy about it but the fact is if he didn't cut the deal with them he would have had to take on the pharmaceutical companies and health insurance companies. They both would have been against health reform so his strategy was to divide and conquer. He got them, the pharmaceutical companies, to agree to $80 billion in drug costs savings which were applied to close the gap in the donut hole as they call it, it's too complicated to explain right now but the bottom line is some people are not covered because of the gap.

So he got those concessions from the pharmaceutical companies and that allowed him to focus on the health insurance companies in order to get healthcare reform or health insurance reform, whatever they want to call it.

I really think he wants to keep all his promises that he made during the campaign but as president he has to make some hard choices to get some of his agenda passed. Because if he goes for trying to get everything done he may in the end get nothing, like Hillary and Bill didn't get the health care bill done when they had the chance.

So I think you're being way too hard on him, he hasn't been perfect but he has performed in difficult circumstances and the Republicans have been of no help whatsoever. Completely un-cooperative.


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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

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ORIGINAL: winterlight

What do you think of him now?


I'm very disappointed. I've lost a great deal of trust and respect for him already. He's showing a terrible lack of leadership on key issues, first with the stimulus bill and now on the health care debate. His arrogance is generally troubling and sometimes downright appalling. I'm shocked by the quiet deal he cut with the pharmacy lobbyists to get them on board with the health care bill, and feel that many of his campaign promises regarding openness and transparency in government, not to mention the influence of lobbyists on the legislative process, have been completely tossed aside.

In short, just 7 months into his term, I'm wondering who the hell this guy is and what he did with the man i voted for. I don't like this guy. I have no confidence in him, and very little respect for what I've seen of his character thus far. And i'm wishing Hillary had been the nominee. I would never have voted for her, but she'd be doing a much more effective job of presidenting. Sure, she's probably an even bigger weasel than he's shaping up to be, but she doesn't pretend to be anything but a weasel, and at least she would have brought with her a level of competence and effectiveness that he is woefully lacking at this stage of his administration.





housesub4you -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 2:22:19 AM)

Well, seeing what he was given when he took over, I think he is doing a pretty good job.  The US as a whole is several steps from where it was with foreign policy, we are a couple of months into the Stim package with less than 1/3 of the money released and things are slowing changing.

I was not expecting everything to be perfect the day after he took office, but considering the hand he was dealt, he is doing better than the last guy.

At least he is not taking photo ops of clearing brush from around the ranch.  Which, Bush only purchased for the photo ops to look like RR, I mean the guy bought the ranch in Crawford only a few months before running for President. 




servantforuse -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 6:12:03 AM)

I think he is screwing things up royaly. Why do we need 34 czars appointed by him who cannot be held accountable by the voters. He also has some explaining to do concerning secret e-mail lists of citizens who might disagree with his policies. Even the ACLU wants answers on his e-mail hit list.




FullCircle -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 6:51:29 AM)

Perhaps then you should have voted for someone else?




servantforuse -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 6:58:54 AM)

Everyone here knows where my vote went and it wasn't for the chosen one..




FullCircle -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 7:00:22 AM)

Didn't you read the op then?




servantforuse -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 7:04:45 AM)

As far as I know I am not yet on Obamas secret e-mail list just yet. I still have my free speech rights, for now..




FullCircle -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 7:05:22 AM)

It's just I'd hate people to think you voted for him and are now disappointed with your selection.[:D]




Mercnbeth -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 7:14:13 AM)

Didn't vote for him, but the pragmatic results speak for themselves:


  • Ongoing occupation of Iraq
  • Escalation in Afghanistan
  • Unemployment up
  • Another $787 Billion going to corporate failures
  • Home foreclosures continuing and increasing in some areas
  • Prices of houses, and with it personal equity down
  • Polarizing politics
  • GITMO still open for business
  • More Financial Institution Failure MORE FAILURE
  • City Finances on the critic list. CHICAGO CLOSED


From a position of having a filibuster proof Congress he's a bigger failure, thus far, than AIG, GM, and the other executives whose bonuses his policies facilitated. The good news, is it's exposed the 'Obamites' for what they are, blind followers of a Party who rationalize that its somehow better than any alternative. Reduces now to only using name calling in attempting to distract, because there is no power held by the opposition. If only they would appreciate that as long as whoever is President is serving he same paymasters, special interests and PACs, maybe there could be some of that "CHANGE!" they thought they voter for this time. Obama is no more, and no less, a lackey than any who have been in that office since 1988.




Brain -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 7:54:49 AM)

Afghanistan


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ORIGINAL: Deicide

I voted for him on the idea that he was the lesser of two evils. He's yet to do anything to change my mind about that, although I'm not thrilled we're sending even more troops to the 'war'.


Which war is that?






FullCircle -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 7:55:50 AM)

In a parallel universe where McCain had won half of those bullet points would have been the status quo anyway. The ones influenced by the global economic situation any administration was going to have problems with I think and no one would have blamed McCain for such failings. I always find it amusing the difference in politics and the idea that one man can change the problems of the world (the US idea).

After one year the man will be quarter of the way into his first and possibly only term. I think it fair to judge the man on a changing world i.e. when other nations start to recover and the U.S. is still in the same position then it is fair to see that as his failure rather than not being able to distinguish between a current global event causing hardship and the decision of an individual politician causing hardship.

Perhaps you could argue that policy now will have a bad result and you can see this but that is for all intents and purpose speculation because it takes time for policy to take effect and change anything. No politician waves his hand and thus all the evil goes away, it’s a kind of broad control and if you see joined up thinking across policy such as the scrappage scheme linked with greener vehicle sales then you get an idea how a government makes a lasting change. Then there are those that demand short term fixes such as stimulus plans (perhaps) and they often go nowhere. Nobody likes stimulus packages they are short term but sometimes they are the only way to tolerate and avoid unbearable short term pain.




rulemylife -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 8:10:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brain

Afghanistan


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Deicide

I voted for him on the idea that he was the lesser of two evils. He's yet to do anything to change my mind about that, although I'm not thrilled we're sending even more troops to the 'war'.


Which war is that?





Well thank you Brain, but the question was meant to be facetious, as the poster referred to "the war", implying Iraq and Afghanistan were the same conflict.




MarsBonfire -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 8:13:15 AM)

  • Ongoing occupation of Iraq (obviously, Merc feels we should have pulled out overnight, which is odd, since the GOP folk were all screaming about "cut and run" at the time... but it seems they can't get as frothy at the mouth about a slow, reasonable pullout.)



  • Escalation in Afghanistan (As Obama promised, as a platform plank during the election. Redeploy the troops to fight those who actually attacked us, not continue to occupy someone's soverign nation we had to make up lies about to justify invading.)
  • Unemployment up (As was predicted during the last year and a half of the Bush Presidency. Amazingly, the rate has been kept to below double digits, when the GOP was gibbering about 12% to 14% by now.)
  • Another $787 Billion going to corporate failures (as opposed to letting the US auto industry fail, dragging the rest of the economy down with it, like Cpt. Ahab strapped to the whale.) 
  • Home foreclosures continuing and increasing in some areas (Yup. The deregulation of the mortgage lending industry by Bush really fucked us all over, fer sure! Too bad Obama doesn't have a magic wand to make it all go away. Instead, the home loan industry will [and should] be held accountable for it's own shit storm.)
  • Prices of houses, and with it personal equity down (see above. Although, as the economy recovers, so will prices of individual homes.)
  • Polarizing politics (Ah! OF course! Obama is the one supporting the teabaggers, the death eaters, the birthers... or, do you suppose the GOP and special interests, in an attempt to "bring the President down" are more responsible for the tone? Seems to me that Obama's been bending over backwards to get things moving in a bipartisan way... but the Republicans are only interested in "getting Obama" rather than doing what's good for the country.)
  • GITMO still open for business (And slated for shutdown in 2011, after the last of the 230 "enemy combatants" are moved into the US justice system, rather than being in the official US gulag.)
  • More Financial Institution Failure MORE FAILURE (Yup. Imagine the US economy as a school bus balanced on the edge of a cliff. The folks who are hanging onto the front bumper, end up losing their grip, and they fall to their deaths... but without their weight dragging the bus over, everyone at the back of the bus is safer. I guess they shouldn't have gotten into the "ghost derivative" game, huh?)
  • City Finances on the critic list. CHICAGO CLOSED (Funny how it's always a "states rights" problem, until they run out of money... then they go crying to the Federal Government.)

    From a position of having a filibuster proof Congress he's a bigger failure, thus far, than AIG, GM, and the other executives whose bonuses his policies facilitated.

(Here we agree. Obama's attempts at courting the smouldering remains of the Republican party are pathetic, and they are keeping us from repairing the damage they inflicted. My prediction for the coming year: the mid term elections will force the Dems to hold the GOP accountable for their USA-maiming actions. This "bipartisan" blither will stop, and the GOP will continue to become more radical, and even more of an inconsequential minority. They will become the (even more) "crazy" party. In the end the only support they will have is the NRA, and insane doctor-murdering anti-abortionists.)





Brain -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 8:20:43 AM)

They are winding down in Iraq.

Afghanistan is a problem, we need more support from NATO allies

It takes time to reverse unemployment, that's not his fault and it's not possible to do it faster

Government by Wall Street Goldman Sachs, people weren't interested in that thread I started including you

Foreclosers are turning round, but they should have given the money to main street not Wall Street, thanks George

Polarising politics is the fault of Republicans 100%

Financial institution failure is the fault of the Republicans and their deregulations. That can be corrected, take a look at Canada they came through this with flying colors. Support Tim Geitner and let him make the changes he wants on Wall Street to prevent systemic risk

Support the stimulus package and prevent states and cities from going bankrupt




Mercnbeth -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 9:09:01 AM)

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Ongoing occupation of Iraq (obviously, Merc feels we should have pulled out overnight, which is odd, since the GOP folk were all screaming about "cut and run" at the time... but it seems they can't get as frothy at the mouth about a slow, reasonable pullout.)


Thanks for providing proof of two things; the rationalization mentality, and the need to identify any point by party affiliation. You, in your support of this Administration's continuing bail-out of failing businesses, foreign wars, escalation of military intervention, abandonment of cities, are much more "republican" than me. I never supported any of those actions. However, I can understand your self loathing; now supporting all those things you were protesting against, "disrupting?", less than a year ago.




pyroaquatic -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 9:43:47 AM)

You get off on playing devils advocate don't you.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 10:10:41 AM)

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Thanks for providing proof of two things; the rationalization mentality, and the need to identify any point by party affiliation. You, in your support of this Administration's continuing bail-out of failing businesses, foreign wars, escalation of military intervention, abandonment of cities, are much more "republican" than me. I never supported any of those actions. However, I can understand your self loathing; now supporting all those things you were protesting against, "disrupting?", less than a year ago.
ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


I don't think it's rationalizing at all, Merc. I don't know who said it first, but there is a quote I heard that I think appropriate. "When you're fighting a 400lb gorilla, you don't stop when you get tired. You stop when the gorilla gets tired." A lot of my problem with the Iraq war is that we didn't belong there in the first place, and we waged the war stupidly in the second place. Now we are wrapping it up. It takes a while...but it's getting done. Let us not forget that your idea was to nuke the region and let God sort 'em out. I think this a better alternative.

And yes, I do support this administration's economic policy.....and point out that every nation in the world is in some way or other supporting businesses that would fail, easing monetary policy and generally spending money to keep this recession from turning into total economic collapse. I know it's hip for people of your political persuasion to reject anything any other civilized country is doing, but it seems that everyone sees some degree of government intervention in this crisis as a necessary evil.





CallaFirestormBW -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 10:20:30 AM)

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City Finances on the critic list. CHICAGO CLOSED


Hon, I have to comment on this, because it is gross misrepresentation. Three "reduced services" days were PLANNED into the 2009 Chicago City Budget... this means that these were approved way back when the 2009 budget was approved, in ~JUNE OF 2007. (When she was in Chicago this year on a school trip, my daughter attended a City Council meeting discussing the pending 2012 budget!!!)

You can't blame that on Barak.

And this is the REALITY of all of this bashing. We were -in- a mess when the man took office. Even if it had been McCain and Palin who won the election, I wouldn't be expecting miracles by now, regardless of whether I'd voted for them or not, NOR would I be bashing them. It's going to take a YEAR, maybe a YEAR AND A HALF, to find and start turning all of the stuff that was -already- going to hell in a handbasket.

You know what... I'm not even blaming Bush, entirely, for this mess, either. Just about everyone I know made some really bad decisions through the 80's and 90's and into the early 2000s, and it's coming back to bite us on the butt. It's like turning the Titanic. We can see the iceberg, but I'll be damned the ship only turns so fast -- and as sad as it may be, we may end up having to deal with hitting, and hope that there are enough lifeboats, because our chances of coming through this, REGARDLESS OF WHO IS IN THE WHITE HOUSE OR WHO IS IN CONGRESS, are slim, duckies -- slim, verging on -none-... and it is -going- to hurt.

DC




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: For those that voted for our latest President.. (8/16/2009 10:25:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Brain

Afghanistan


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Deicide

I voted for him on the idea that he was the lesser of two evils. He's yet to do anything to change my mind about that, although I'm not thrilled we're sending even more troops to the 'war'.


Which war is that?




Actually, if you paid attention to his discussion during the campaign, he said, repeatedly, that he thought that we needed to INCREASE our troop investment in Afghanistan, not reduce it. I know that many of the pacifists conveniently forgot that point, but that is the reality.

I didn't vote for the man. I wrote in a candidate -- but I still think he's doing a tough job, and trying his best to do it well, keep as many of his commitments as he can (I don't consider -anything- that comes out of a candidate's mouth a "promise"... more like a general directional goal), and deal with an increasingly impatient, greedy, and hostile population who hired him on the platform of change, and then wants nothing to do with the change when he tries to make some.

DC




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