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Aneirin -> Winblows 7 (8/19/2009 5:31:41 PM)
So, I have been informed Microshaft is offering a free download of the new OS free to Vistaster users, does anyone know anything about this ? The new OS is vaunted to be everything Vistaster is not, being lighter and faster and using less memory, what Vistaster should have been, but was not, is this offer a means of apology to all those that once believed in Microshaft, are they trying to draw their custom back, or is this new OS all it's cracked up to be ? I discovered why my machine on Vistaster home basic is eratic, it is the chipset which is at fault, it being only capable of running Vistaster, but not at it's best. An early generation Vista designed machine, the latest I understand to be fairly trouble free, but then they have a more capable chipset.

sappatoti -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/19/2009 6:55:55 PM)
I do not know about the "gold master" release being free but the "release candidate" version is available now as a free download until 20 Aug 2009... http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/get/download.aspx Just from the brief read I did of various articles, supposedly Windows 7's hardware requirements won't be as high as they were for Vista. The only way to know whether Win7 will work with your equipment, I suppose, would be to go ahead and download this "release candidate" version.

Missokyst -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/19/2009 6:56:26 PM)
I am a tech by trade. Although I haven't installed the beta on 7 as yet I have been watching the conversations on tech sites and so far.. no report has been negative. It runs on fewer services, with less need for huge amounts of ram (though we vista users are all rammed up the wazoo now). Security-wise I would say has just as much risk as any other system. When ever you have a company that has 75% of the market share you are going to find people trying to break in, that is life. As a new OS it will have issues with compatibility for software for at least 6 months till other things catch up. That as I see it is the biggest drawback for buying it as soon as it goes retail. But, you can do a dual load on your computer and allow it to open to Vista or Windows7, so that should be enough of a back up if you want to give it a try. I am anxious to see it. So many good reviews.. lol it makes me too excited to attempt it now.

ShaharThorne -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/19/2009 8:42:26 PM)
I have been playing it safe with XP (no Vista experience) so I don't know anything about Win7. I am all for trying it out if it uses less resources than Vista (more ram = better gaming experience for me[:D]). With that out of the way, I am looking at a new computer with the latest Vista upgradeable to the Win7. At least 2 or 3 gig RAM with a decent CPU and about 160 gig HD. Got to have a 128-bit graphics cards at the least. Any suggestions? I find out Tuesday if I get the funds to do so...crossing fingers, toes and legs for good luck

Missokyst -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/19/2009 10:40:10 PM)
Just one. What ever you get, do not buy an Acer.

Rhodes85 -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 12:44:08 AM)
Hmm, one of my staff was telling me about beta testing Windows 7 awhile back. He hated it. Granted it was a beta version but I tend to believe him when he says he hates an operating system. I'd stick with XP, at least till the (inevetable) bugs that cause major problems are worked out. If you want stability go with Windows 3.1.....unless you have something against Chips Challenge :D

TurboJugend -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 1:09:34 AM)
windows 7 has this nice XP ad-on for companies to run xp software. Microsoft actually thought about this. Windows 7 is, for me, the best windows ever. The first one I didn't curse at.....and I do curse a lott...lol

MasterfulThought -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 1:51:54 AM)
Windows 7 does offer the so called "XP Mode" which is essentially a virtual pc machine that's been integrated partly into the system. It allows you to install programs there that show up in your 7 start menu which then run as if it were installed on an XP box. Personally, I use VirtualBox with an XP install in seamless mode, so I didn't see too much of a reason to keep it around. If you haven't dealt with virtualization at all though you might be surprised. To add to the discussion though I am currently running Windows 7 Professional 64bit on my work laptop and its been as stable and quick as any of my co-workers XP laptops. I must say I am probably one of the few who actually liked Vista - then again I upgraded the RAM in this baby considerably. If you haven't played around with it yet look up Virtual PC or VirtualBox and read up on how to install OSes onto virtual machines. Then just load one of the RCs up and you're golden.

TurboJugend -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 1:58:20 AM)
yes windows 7 does indeed uses memory and multicore processor way better then the previous windows versions ( especially the 64 bit versions). And still it works nicely, without eye candy, on older laptops and such. Only shit thing I discovered it wouldn't run my fav game, because of the punkbuster. The company behind it is to lazy to make a fix untill Win 7 is in the shops. So actually no blame for microsoft this time. I think the download on the microsoft website is already RTM instead of RC. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtual-pc/download.aspx the virtual xp ad-on for win 7 Windows XP Mode will only run on Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7 Ultimate editions

MasterfulThought -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 2:08:49 AM)
It may be, I got my copy because of my college affiliation so I can't speak for how others will obtain it. I have noticed that all the drivers seem to magically appear more so than on Vista. Which is good - and bad I suppose. I found everything I use frequently to be much more intuitive and accessible than with XP or Vista. Running a 64bit OS makes me happy so it was kind of them to release such a stable OS from the get go (Not to say it doesn't have its moments, just that its moments are shared with me). I also found that the problem with Vista wasn't Microsoft but with the hardware manufactures skimping out on powers. Everyone jumped on Microsoft because it was their problem, they passed the ball fine in my book - it just ended up in the wrong hands.. repeatedly. That being said though, Turbo have you looked into XP mode to get around that? I know that VirtualBox is currently putting out a beta addition for more beefy video in the guest OSes, I'm not sure about VirtualPC though. Worth a try I would imagine.

TurboJugend -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 2:16:21 AM)
You mean trying the game in XP mode? YEs I tried, but it doesn't support hardware accellertion, sadly. It runs programms nicely as office and other xp software. No visual candy though. Afther the first 64 bit beta of win 7 I upgraded my pc to 8 gig. I am in heaven..lol. Now they should push more 64bit capable software. I must admit though that Vista with Sp2 is not bad either. Yesterday I installed in on a laptop (Acer dual core) and it was smooth and fast. First Vista felt slow and heavy to me.

TurboJugend -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 2:36:12 AM)
http://technologizer.com/2009/08/17/windows-xp-users-on-windows-7/ http://www.pcworld.com/article/170291/windows_xp_users_we_still_love_xp_and_loathe_vista_but_windows_7_looks_impressive.html

FullCircle -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 5:06:43 PM)
Windows 7 will contain not just one recycling bin but five bins each colour coded for all the various types of file they can take. We all know for example that gifs are old file types and harder to recycle than the newer jpgs which were created with sustainability in mind. Other than that Windows 7 will be exactly like Windows Vista (oh and your media player will go even slower due to another extra layer of security for the artists benefit not yours.) Your identity will be stored under the Microsoft number system which nobody without a PhD can fathom.

Rhodes85 -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/20/2009 8:25:13 PM)
'Windows 7 does offer the so called "XP Mode" which is essentially a virtual pc machine that's been integrated partly into the system.' I don't like the sound of that much.... ever used virtual machine or dosbox? from my experience they are far too unstable to be considered reliable.

Rainfire -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/21/2009 4:56:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Missokyst Just one. What ever you get, do not buy an Acer. AMEN to this one!!!!!! Never knew anyone who had anything but trouble with their Acer's after a while, that included my oldest monster who bought one even after I told he'd regret it and not to..... He no longer wonders I kept insisting on no Acer's...... [>:]

Rainfire -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/21/2009 4:58:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rhodes85 'Windows 7 does offer the so called "XP Mode" which is essentially a virtual pc machine that's been integrated partly into the system.' I don't like the sound of that much.... ever used virtual machine or dosbox? from my experience they are far too unstable to be considered reliable. We use them all the time here, Rhodes, with great results. Especially DOSBox, it's great for our game emulators.... [sm=dunno.gif]

ThatDaveGuy69 -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/21/2009 5:12:03 AM)
ShaharThorne: I get this question a lot: Which computer should I buy? The only 2 brands I recommend are HP & Dell. And not the crap sold in the big box store, either. Get yourself the business version, direct from the manufacturer, the ones that come with a 3yr warranty. Dealing direct allows you to "downgrade" to XP Pro but also ask about the upgrade path to Win 7. If your budget allows, be sure to get a 64-bit CPU and 4 or more GB RAM. Win 7 ROCKS, despite what a few people here to say. I've been running the Beta and the RC for months in a virtual environment and it works. I've been a professional computer geek for over 25 years and have yet to be dissappointed by either Dell or HP. ~Dave

Aneirin -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/21/2009 6:54:56 AM)
My first real computer, and given what I knew of HP, I specifically sourced a HP business machine, but with Vistaster on it it has not met up with my expectations, now the machine has a very noisy cooling fan, a change of attitude makes it squeak and grind, but at least it still turns. The keypad letter and number icons have now rubbed off, and the hoover ate a button but at least it still works two years in, and it has been dropped once, and taken apart for a defluff twice, and once to repair the annoying buzz that developed with the optical drive, the springy thing between the drive casing and the laptop casing had fell off, superglue to the rescue. But as winblows 7 comes out, around the same time I am moving into eligibility to be supplied with a mac book, I am thinking to make the leap to mac, as the work I do, is mostly graphic work, photoshop and illustrator, creating powerpoint type presentations and web surfing, so maybe the jump to mac might be useful to me.

Rainfire -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/21/2009 7:02:01 AM)
I agree on HP, Dave (hey - my mother worked in manufacturing for many years at their Boise facility, I know what QA process they went through, at least there!) though I think their quality has dropped a little since they bought out Compaq. I now find their machines to be a little iffier, though still one of the better machines. Dell now - I must have had a lemon from them because all I ever had with my old Dell was trouble and crap. Lumus had problems with His old Dell as well but now I'm seeing why on that one. Mine however came straight from the manufacturer and the motherboard blew out 2 weeks later. They had someone come out, see what happened, and changed it. 3 months later, the same thing happened again - motherboard went buh-bye. After that, they got a little snotty with me and I had a hard time getting them to honour their own warranty, even though their own documentation showed there was nothing I was doing that was causing the problems, just their own defective equipment. I ran problems with them as long as I had that POS. (And this was a business model that I got with a 3 year warranty. What I had and what ended up happening though were 2 very different things, especially in them refusing to honour their own warranty.) Now - since both Lumus and I are computer geeks, our latest machine is no-name, custom built by a local shop and ourselves. They're still chuckling about how I pissed the salesman off by knowing more about computers and DARING to ask questions that he couldn't answer, none of which included "what colours does it come in?" Apparently he expected me to only be concerned with the colour and when I popped his little bubble about that (I asked about the video graphics card plus if there was an extra bay that we could put our old hard drive into and slave into the new one) he got huffy. Tough bananas - it's going to be MY computer, I want to know what it can, and CAN'T, do. We ended up dealing with the owner of the shop and got a great deal. Then we tweaked it somewhat here at home. We're now looking at adding a 1 TB external hard drive but that's just us - memory hogs. [:D] We use the space, what can I say? (edited to correct a typo)

Aneirin -> RE: Winblows 7 (8/21/2009 7:17:28 AM)
My first laptop, was a Compaq Armada E500, and that was a well built machine, in fact, I still have it, the build quality on that thing far suppasses the quality of this HP I use. In fact, after the E500, quality of construction I was kind of dissapointed with this HP offerring.

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