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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/21/2009 4:22:53 PM   
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LOL... well... ace bandages from the dollar store are thin and I love them as blindfolds... the closeness while wrapping them around the head... no way can they see anything and just a bit of a slip... and you could wrap that mouth too I would think! I may have to try that one day! hehe

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/21/2009 4:31:05 PM   
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some of us come equiped with gag balls and ace bandages! hehe


Nurse Lockit, that has a nice ring to it.

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/21/2009 4:40:08 PM   
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LOL Ms Nurse Lockit sounds better! Remember... I have things that poke!

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/21/2009 5:03:56 PM   
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quote:

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LOL... well... ace bandages from the dollar store are thin and I love them as blindfolds


They make good ball stretchers in a pinch (forgive the pun), too.

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/24/2009 10:44:58 PM   
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some dont know how to try much less make a effort. when i started in the lifestyle in dallas i started with a club nearly 4 hours away and did likewise when i was sent to augusta ga. i would say if its realy importaint those that want will find as the proverb goes what you seek so shall you find

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/25/2009 7:28:34 AM   
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Some guys don't even do the things that anyone would know how to do. Like putting a picture with a profile. Like actually following through after making contact with a Mistress. It's doesn't take a genius.

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/26/2009 11:24:06 PM   
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It seems as if there are issues on both ends: 1) a multitude of monetary dominants vs lifestyle dominants and 2) a horde of subs trying and subs who aren't trying or have given up hope. I'm not sure if I'm accurate in my assessment, but it appears that we have a problem. Not enough lifestyle dominas to go around for the few subs who are trying and too many 'do-me subs' clouding the already thin pool. Perhaps we have reached an impasse. I have been away from the site for a long time now, but that's what I'm perceiving.

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/27/2009 8:45:19 AM   
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For the last couple of weeks, I have been communicating with a few guys from collarme who have expressed a desire to serve Ms. Mlicious. I told them all where to meet her tonight. If even one out of five actually shows up, I will be very surprised. The scarcity of dommes is not the big problem. THe big problem is that so many wanabe subs don't have the guts to even show up at a coffee shop.

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/27/2009 11:00:07 AM   
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The scarcity of dommes is not the big problem.


Laughable. I'm not saying that there aren't a bunch of fence-sitters, or unsocialized losers trying to get easy sex. However, the slightest investigation will reveal there are far, far more msubs than Dommes, and exponentially more single msubs than Dommes.

Don't believe me? Feel free to search CM. I do, almost every say. Within 200 miles of me, are the same 30 or so profiles, active within any week or so. One is a scammer, who I trolled until she asked for $200 to send me a photo. Half of the rest are professionals. Most of the remainder are not looking. Of the handful of profiles that actually appear to be dominant women looking for a submissive male, there are those who I've contacted and not received a response, and some that are just out of my demographic.

Better yet, check out the classified thread on Fetlife. There is about one posting a week, in the entire world-wide membership, from a dominant woman. Browse the profiles while you're there. Since you can only sort results by state, it will take several pages to find your first dominant woman.

To answer your original question, I became aware of such a thing as BDSM sometime in my late teens at the end of the 80's. There was really nothing I could do about it until I moved to the Boston area. By the mid-ninties, I would attend fetish events or fetish-themed nightclubs when I could find them, which was not often. An unattended man in a fetish club is viewed like a one-line email, I abandoned the practice eventually. When I started Internetting, I tried Alt, which is a scam. I tried local personals, which are not kink-friendly., but most importantly, I read up on the lifestyle. I joined OK Cupid, where my responses to the kink questions made me radioactive to vanilla women. I joined here a couple years ago, have carefully responded to perhaps ten or maybe twenty profiles that might have been a match. I think I've received about three or four responses, mostly "no thanks," one correspondence that never really went anywhere, and one occurance where the respondant asked what I was into. I never heard from her again. I have started attending the local munches and events as my schedule allows for the last year, I have seen a total of one dominant woman, as the munches run TNG and maledom, overwhelmingly.

Sorry to rant, but you're exhibiting the "fair world fallacy." The fact that you have found dominant woman is great. Just having had a relationship or two puts you inside a social network, and develops word of mouth, a reputation, and references. The fact is, the majority of men sincerely looking for a Domme will fail, turn to a professional, or lower their vanilla-land standards exponentially.


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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/27/2009 4:50:26 PM   
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So there appears to be an impasse.  A sizeable one, between msubs and lifestyle dommes who are trying to find each other. Sounds like a serious dead-end, and I'm not blindly optimistic, but one shouldn't give up hope. Surely?

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/27/2009 9:26:01 PM   
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Hand, I have met dommes through personals, at parties, at school, at work, on internet. They exist. I am not suggesting that finding a good Mistress is as easy as falling off a log, but the problem is really not that there are not women interested in this life. It's that guys don't know how to meet them. You have to learn to read the signs in "vanila" women in addition to seeking out self described dominas. Several years ago, after I had dropped enough hints, a woman I had met at work asked me straight out, "Do you want to be my sex slave?"

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/27/2009 10:18:43 PM   
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If you really want it, you'll get it.

Being persistent is key.


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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/28/2009 8:17:57 AM   
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Hand, do you have an alternative newspaper in your town? Telephone personals? Have you gone to footnight parties? I had one of the best nights of my life that started at one of those. It can sometimes take effort to meet a Mistress, but it is doable. And once you hit your rhythm, once in a while, it just falls into your lap. Trust me. I know. Twice in my life, women who I thought would never be interested, got turned onto this life.

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/28/2009 3:01:41 PM   
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A little personal anecdotal info that perhaps other femdoms may compare and contrast to support this.  When I was single, when I met potential submissive partners via sites or online or fetish circles, the guys that I connect with and dated had a track record that was pretty good.  While they acknowledged that there may be more subs than femdoms, none of them felt they did not have women to date and select from.   They all seemed to do ok.  They are obviously in the same dating pool, so why is this the case?

Of the guys that I met who had little/no dating experience with femdoms, despite being kinky, they were very green. I got them on the early side.  I like young guys anyway. Or, could it be that they were not yet bitter and angry?  They didn't seem too upset about the numbers either - just sort of new to it.  This was by far my favorite "pool" to fish from - new enough that they didn't have much expectations, young enough but smart, and definitely open minded.

Of the VANILLA guys I 'sniffed out' or found in normal social circles, call it "femdom radar" or whatever, if they were submissive-curious or definitely kinky but not "out in kinky circles," they reported to me success with finding/converting open minded women and had plenty of dating experience also, and managed to "find" kinky women, or at least open minded women in normal walks of life.

The thing in common with all these guys is none of them were particularly sour, or overwhelmed with "it's so HARD to meet femdoms" - they were all doing fine, despite the numbers.  They were working hard obviously, as the managed to get my attention at least.  Or, I met them before they were out in the dating scene long enough to get bitter.

I think a lot of the doom and gloom is a self fulfilling prophecy.  Or just a shadow of negativity.  Or, they aren't working hard enough, as the OP states.  I don't really believe in all that hokey "The Secret" stuff, other than that the simple fact exists in all walks of life, "you attract what you project" - but maybe everyone should wipe the slate clean and start with a smile and some hard work and see where it goes.

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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/30/2009 9:27:57 AM   
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There are plenty of Dominant women and honestly I would say there are more D women then real sub men around though maybe not in BDSM as men tend to be kinky more then women which is why the shortage but if you approach one that isn't into the lifestyle and give them control of the direction it takes plenty of subs would be happy with what they find.    Subs just need to let go of their fantasy concepts and be realistic in what they expect to find.   Of course it also helps if the subs admit to themselves they are subs and stop trying to control the situation :P
Easy to follow guide for a sub to find a D that is compatible:
1.  know what you "need" not what you "want".
2.  look for someone that will give you what you "need" and you are able to do what they "want".
3.  once this is established talk to them like a person not an object to learn more about what they want and need from you as a person.
4.  always remember this is a relationship(either friendship or romantic depending on "needs") not a fantasy if you want a fantasy that's what pro's are for.
5.  if they  reject you be polite, understanding and show them respect for their choice they might just give you some advice or even know another Domme that may be more interested in you don't burn bridges!
6.  if this isn't working then return to step one to re-evaluate what your "needs" are and start over without losing hope.    Repeat as necessary for best results  :)

Of course this wont work for everyone but if a sub really wants a D and isn't have any luck give it a try and that is the most importent step "trying"


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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/30/2009 11:01:02 AM   
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shadowowl? I like that, I really do. That is wonderful advice.

Jewel


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RE: Sub males...Are you really trying? - 8/30/2009 11:34:03 AM   
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Absolutely. There are a lot of kinky guys around. The ones who really want to meet dommes do so. Every meeting is not a home run, but you gotta keep swinging. Too many guys just want occasional sessions...for free...whenever they are in the mood. Not going to happen.

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