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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/22/2009 8:42:43 PM   
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1) Lift the ban on stem cell research

There never was a ban on stem cell research.

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2) Steward the economy past the threat of a black hole depression that threatened to destroy our entire financial system (I seem to remember a lot of posts saying how the stock market would be down below 6000 by now. I wonder where those people have run off to. Oh yes, they're still here, they just have moved on to another version of "the sky is falling" predictions.)

I seem to recall that most of the "sky is falling" predictions were from the people who wanted the "stimulus package" passed, and blamed the Republicans.

But, in fact, most economist currently say that the "stimulus" won't really have an affect until at least next quarter or next year.

So ... if this is an "accomplishment", we haven't actually seen it yet.


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3) Rescue a hostage from Somali pirates with a reasonable use of force that didn't open up a new war (If you'll notice, no American ship has been pirated since)

I credit him this ... he stayed out of the way of the military, doing what it does best.



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4) Rescue 2 American citizens from a sentence of 12 years at hard labor in North Korea by use of diplomacy, opening the possibility of further diplomatic interactions and solutions.

I thought the Bill Clinton mission was "purely civilian and non-governmental"?



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5) Institute a government program that seems to have worked, aiding the ailing auto industry and getting many billions of dollars of consumer spending into the economy where it can do some good.

A little early to make this prognosis, I'm afraid. Let's see what next month sales figures are, and maybe we'll have something to talk about.


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I am not a wide eyed believer.


uh huh.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 7:33:29 AM   
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1) Lift the ban on stem cell research


There never was a ban on stem cell research. ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY


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I will always admit when I have misspoken. There was not a ban on stem cell research. There was a ban on the government investing almost all stem cell research. I still think lifting that policy is a good thing.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 6:16:38 PM   
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A few of the former P&R faithful who were knee deep in the hoopla after the election and inauguration seemed to have split the scene. I guess they figured out that post inauguration Bush bashing only carries you so far and once they saw that Barry O really is not quite ready for prime time they scattered like cockroaches. I actually almost miss seeing how they would spin the town hall meetings. ORIGINAL: DomImus


There is no need to spin the town hall meetings. They speak for themselves. The republican party has staked it's entire political future on the failure of anything the Obama administration proposes. This attitude has trickled down (conservative's love that old trickle down thing) to the populace. Therefore, instead of speaking of reasonable worries (access to private as well as public options in healthcare, payment options and plans for any reform passed, etc.), they are painting swastikas and shouting like irate kindergarten kids who missed nap time. I do not believe in blaming Obama for not being able to have a dialog with people who's agenda is obstruction, not construction.

As for Obama's achiements, in seven months I have seen him:

1) Lift the ban on stem cell research
2) Steward the economy past the threat of a black hole depression that threatened to destroy our entire financial system (I seem to remember a lot of posts saying how the stock market would be down below 6000 by now. I wonder where those people have run off to. Oh yes, they're still here, they just have moved on to another version of "the sky is falling" predictions.)
3) Rescue a hostage from Somali pirates with a reasonable use of force that didn't open up a new war (If you'll notice, no American ship has been pirated since)
4) Rescue 2 American citizens from a sentence of 12 years at hard labor in North Korea by use of diplomacy, opening the possibility of further diplomatic interactions and solutions.
5) Institute a government program that seems to have worked, aiding the ailing auto industry and getting many billions of dollars of consumer spending into the economy where it can do some good.

Personally, I don't think that's too bad for  7 months.

I have to say I find it rather laughable that the same opponents of the Obama administration who say that his supporters are brainwashed groupies who think the president is Jesus incarnate continue to howl it's indignation that in 7 months, he has  not managed to correct every problem that has faced this country for the last forty years.

I am not a wide eyed believer. It is my thought that Obama is a politician and so has some of the attributes of any politician. But I am a supporter of Obama. I voted for him in November, and knowing what I know now, do not regret that vote, not based on "well his opponent would be worse" but based on the performance I have seen so far.

I have not gone anywhere. I just have been rather quiet because the republicans and neo-cons are screaming so loudly it is hard to be heard. Thanks for asking after me.







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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 7:46:44 PM   
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Apparently there is a lot more pragmatism in the USA. The rhetoric is wearing thin. ACCOMPLISHED IN 7 MONTHS
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Prior to today, the number who Strongly Approved of the President’s performance had never fallen below 29%. Some of the decline has come from within the President’s own party. Just 49% of Democrats offer such a positive assessment of the President at this time.

Forty-one percent (41%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -14. These figures mark the lowest Approval Index rating yet recorded for this President.

Not to many blind followers left but most telling is a below 50% mark from the party faithful.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 7:58:05 PM   
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I am not Barack Obama's biggest fan. However, I'm also not a huge fan of any of his opponents either.

I would say that it is not fair to judge any President's success or failure this early in the game. Economic stimulus plans can take years to play out. Paul Volcker's actions as Chairman of the Federal Reserve sparked an immediate severe recession. They also ended the "stagflation" of the Carter era and set the stage for a long period of growth. Judging that six months down the road it would have been viewed as disastrous. Judging it four years later - the Administration won re-election in a landslide.

Looking forward, I think judging the "success" or "failure" of the Obama administration will be fairly simple. If the economy turns around and he manages to broker a reduction of hostilities in the Middle East, he will be judged as a success and win re-election. If this is a "dead cat bounce" for the economy and it tanks 70% as it did during the Great Depression and then doesn't come back and Iraq dissolves into a civil war with American troops in the middle of it while the Afghanistan/Pakistan theater becomes a bloodbath - he will lose handily if he manages to obtain his party's nomination.

Making a call on his success or failure right now is like trying to read the tea leaves without drinking the tea.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 8:08:38 PM   
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Making a call on his success or failure right now is like trying to read the tea leaves without drinking the tea.
Appreciate your position, remember - this quoted the President's personal opinion of his successes.

Doesn't look as if many belief him. Many they are wondering where the $787 Billion is being spent since not one long term job has been created and no industry, is hiring. Spending and increasing the deficit without any positive trend indicating a plan formulated to recover is in place is concerning. In 7 months you man not expect everything to be turning around, but you'd expect something.

Militarily we've escalated, governmental revenue is down, people are unemployed at record numbers, and 2 months after saying his, already record setting projected deficit, was going to be below that projected by the CBO; he now has to stipulate they were right in the first place. These are the accomplishments; time period notwithstanding.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 8:21:31 PM   
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Is there any word about when The President is going to present himself with a trophy or wall plaque for his achievements ?

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 8:54:30 PM   
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Spending and increasing the deficit without any positive trend indicating a plan formulated to recover is in place is concerning. In 7 months you man not expect everything to be turning around, but you'd expect something.



Stocks Jump as Bernanke Says Economy Near Recovery - ABC News

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said what investors wanted to hear, that the economy is indeed on the verge of recovery, and they responded with a rally that sent the major indexes to new highs for the year.

The Dow Jones industrials shot up 155 points Friday, closing above 9,500 for the first time since Nov. 4, and all the big indexes finished with gains of more than 1.5 percent. Meanwhile, Treasury prices tumbled, pushing yields sharply higher, as investors no longer felt they needed the safety of government debt.

The stock market's gains were broad, reaching across all industries, but the biggest jumps came from energy, industrial and material stocks as oil and commodities prices soared. Bank stocks also rose sharply.

Just nine days after the Fed declared the economy to be "leveling out" rather than contracting, Bernanke went further, saying, "the prospects for a return to growth in the near term appear good." Speaking at an annual Fed conference in Wyoming, Bernanke did warn that lending is not back to normal, and that the difficulty consumers and businesses are having obtaining loans will be a challenge. But his tone was the most optimistic it has been since the start of the financial crisis.

A bigger-than-expected jump in home sales also gave stocks a boost and helped send bonds lower. The National Association of Realtors said sales of existing homes rose 7.2 percent to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 5.24 million in July, from a pace of 4.89 million in June.


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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/23/2009 9:32:43 PM   
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The stock market's gains were broad, reaching across all industries, but the biggest jumps came from energy, industrial and material stocks as oil and commodities prices soared. Bank stocks also rose sharply.
Are there jobs and industry growth somewhere in that link I missed?

I'm doing pretty good myself RML. Not as good as those whose bonuses were made good by the bail out, but if you are in financing and can't make money when the government is putting it our on the streets for free as fast as they can print, you'll never make it. I should hope the banks are doing well. When the cost of your product is 0% and you're no longer required by Barney Frank's mandate to lend to anybody - you make money!

For an opinion outside the Administration, one who agrees with the "bottom out" premise.

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Employment is still falling sharply in the US and elsewhere – in advanced economies, unemployment will be above 10 per cent by 2010. This is bad news for demand and bank losses, but also for workers’ skills, a key factor behind long-term labour productivity growth.

Second, this is a crisis of solvency, not just liquidity, but true deleveraging has not begun yet because the losses of financial institutions have been socialised and put on government balance sheets. This limits the ability of banks to lend, households to spend and companies to invest.

Third, in countries running current account deficits, consumers need to cut spending and save much more, yet debt-burdened consumers face a wealth shock from falling home prices and stock markets and shrinking incomes and employment.

Fourth, the financial system – despite the policy support – is still severely damaged. Most of the shadow banking system has disappeared, and traditional banks are saddled with trillions of dollars in expected losses on loans and securities while still being seriously undercapitalised.

Fifth, weak profitability – owing to high debts and default risks, low growth and persistent deflationary pressures on corporate margins – will constrain companies’ willingness to produce, hire workers and invest.

Sixth, the releveraging of the public sector through its build-up of large fiscal deficits risks crowding out a recovery in private sector spending. The effects of the policy stimulus, moreover, will fizzle out by early next year, requiring greater private demand to support continued growth.

Seventh, the reduction of global imbalances implies that the current account deficits of profligate economies, such as the US, will narrow the surpluses of countries that over-save (China and other emerging markets, Germany and Japan). But if domestic demand does not grow fast enough in surplus countries, this will lead to a weaker recovery in global growth.

There are also now two reasons why there is a rising risk of a double-dip W-shaped recession. For a start, there are risks associated with exit strategies from the massive monetary and fiscal easing: policymakers are damned if they do and damned if they don’t. If they take large fiscal deficits seriously and raise taxes, cut spending and mop up excess liquidity soon, they would undermine recovery and tip the economy back into stag-deflation (recession and deflation).

But if they maintain large budget deficits, bond market vigilantes will punish policymakers. Then, inflationary expectations will increase, long-term government bond yields would rise and borrowing rates will go up sharply, leading to stagflation.

Another reason to fear a double-dip recession is that oil, energy and food prices are now rising faster than economic fundamentals warrant, and could be driven higher by excessive liquidity chasing assets and by speculative demand. Last year, oil at $145 a barrel was a tipping point for the global economy, as it created negative terms of trade and a disposable income shock for oil importing economies. The global economy could not withstand another contractionary shock if similar speculation drives oil rapidly towards $100 a barrel.

In summary, the recovery is likely to be anaemic and below trend in advanced economies and there is a big risk of a double-dip recession.


Both sides are the same - predictions. There is a lot of money on the sidelines that is desperate to invest in something. Jobs will only come when industries tat make something have confidence that they won't be burdened by more tax, regulation, and failing competitors being rewarded by the government with a bail out.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 5:48:02 AM   
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Doesn't look as if many belief him. Many they are wondering where the $787 Billion is being spent since not one long term job has been created and no industry, is hiring. Spending and increasing the deficit without any positive trend indicating a plan formulated to recover is in place is concerning.  In 7 months you man not expect everything to be turning around, but you'd expect something.

PS - It is 'asinine'; unless you are being self labeling.  Guess this is something you would be familiar with? Self labeling ?

Might just want to review your own poor use of language and writing skills. Just a thought for the next time you decide to point out  another persons spelling errors.





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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 7:07:10 AM   
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Might just want to review your own poor use of language and writing skills. Just a thought for the next time you decide to point out another persons spelling errors.
Thank you very much your input to the subject of this thread, as well as your well thought out and insightful fact based reply, is noted and speaks for itself.

Trying to get the President's message out there is a thankless task. Apparently, like the President himself, form and rhetoric is much more important than substance with his followers. That, or it's the only thing they can respond to; the accomplishments speak for themselves.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 8:18:05 AM   
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Are there jobs and industry growth somewhere in that link I missed? 


No, but that's not the question you asked.

"In 7 months you man not expect everything to be turning around, but you'd expect something. "

And I gave you a couple "somethings".

But now you want to narrow the question.

But being the helpful sort, this is from Brain's thread on the recession:

http://oregonbusinessreport.com/2009/08/is-the-recession-over-more-good-news/



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For an opinion outside the Administration, one who agrees with the "bottom out" premise.

In summary, the recovery is likely to be anaemic and below trend in advanced economies and there is a big risk of a double-dip recession.


So, if I understand your link, it is saying the economic downturn is a multi-faceted global issue that will take time to recover from.

Yet you keep putting out threads blaming the lack of an instantaneous recovery on Obama.

 

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Both sides are the same - predictions. There is a lot of money on the sidelines that is desperate to invest in something. Jobs will only come when industries tat make something have confidence that they won't be burdened by more tax, regulation, and failing competitors being rewarded by the government with a bail out.


Come on.

Now you are trying to say the solutions that were implemented for the economic crisis were the cause of the economic crisis.

Might I remind you that this occurred under Bush's policies of less taxation and less regulation on business?








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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 8:38:18 AM   
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And I gave you a couple "somethings". But now you want to narrow the question
No - I responded in dialog fashion. It wasn't an attack or even disagreement. A debate on the issues should involve an exchange of viewpoints. Is it assumed that your responses were absolute and deserved to be the final answer on the matter?

My response pointed to why those "somethings" don't have a positive impact at the grass roots level. I seem to remember that as campaign rhetoric. Bottom line is there is no industry or business expanding and hiring. Why not respond and comment? Banks making more money. Investors, now fully bailed out by the Obama initiated, Bush II Stimulus with their losses covered by tax dollars doing better.

I never realized that Obama ran on a pro big business, pro millionaire, benefiting election platform until he and, you apparently, use these examples as "achievements".

First the rationalization that 'War is Good!'; now big business government hand outs, executive payouts, Bank and stock investors bailed out from their losses resulting in their portfolios growing bigger are "achievements". - You sure you and the other Obama apologists are liberal Democrats?

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Might I remind you that this occurred under Bush's policies of less taxation and less regulation on business?
You can, but it only serves as yet another opportunity to point out that Bush isn't President and the current Administration is following the same policies expecting a different result. No problem with that?

I doubt you'd be here to mark similar results as "achievements" of the Bush Administration, and he spent less than $200 Billion on his version of rewarding failure. Obama's decision to follow that example by a factor of four, seems to be working. Well its working, if you own stock, run a bank, or need your million dollar bonus check to clear.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 10:17:59 AM   
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The stem cell funding we will have to wait and see what comes of it...it has the potential to be the biggest thing of them all,



Although Mr.Collins is a tad psychotic in his religious views, he thinks his god made the universe. . .  This article is pertey powaful:
http://www.freep.com/article/20090823/NEWS15/908230541/1001/NEWS/New-NIH-director-wants-practical-focus


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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 12:29:17 PM   
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What does it mean? The president was blaming the media for all of his missteps while mishandling the health care debate:

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There’s nothing like a summer vacation to rekindle a romance. So maybe a week on Martha’s Vineyard can bring back some of the magic between the Obama administration and the media.
Before White House press secretary Robert Gibbs left town, he tried to clarify President Barack Obama’s comment that “everybody in Washington gets all wee-weed up.” Gibbs explained to reporters that what the president meant was that they were a bunch of bed wetters who made too much out of the implosion of the White House health care strategy.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/The-thrill-is-gone-for-Obama-and-the-media_08_24-54389032.html


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"Everybody gets all wee weed up"  


What does that MEAN anyways?


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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 3:30:42 PM   
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Sanity,

Thanks for the link.

If I didn't know better I would think that these are Tony Snow quotes back when he was brow beating the press corps. What happened to "access" and "transparency"?


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Gibbs is so crabby because, incredibly, the administration blames the media for the president’s problems.

It tried blaming Republicans, but the GOP is too far out of power. When the leader of the free world is complaining about a posting on the former governor of Alaska’s Facebook page, he’s got problems.

Team Obama tried blaming special interests, but that was a bust too. The president’s deal with the pharmaceutical industry gets him $150 million worth of ads to boost his plan, whatever it is.

The same people who bombard us with ads for products that promise to prevent hardened arteries or encourage hardening elsewhere will soon be selling you Obamacare.

“If you experience doubts about the plan lasting more than four hours, seek immediate help from Organizing for America.”

Democrats tried blaming the “mobs” of “un-American” protesters and “evil mongers” who were giving raspberries to members of Congress at town halls.

That flopped too, leaving the administration to blame the messenger.


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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 3:44:17 PM   
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The president must be into some serious kink for a phrase like "all wee wee'd up" to roll off his tongue so easily in public like that.

But who am I to judge...

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 4:27:58 PM   
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Actually, this brings up an interesting subject: How closely should politicians follow their pole numbers? Where does listening to one's constituency cross the line into base pandering to get the highest possible approval rating? Do we want our elected officials, especially the president, to follow our wishes or to provide leadership? I do not ask this just about the Obama administration but about our elected officials in general. That's a subject with some meat on it.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/24/2009 6:48:17 PM   
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A new high ? Tomorrow, August 18th, the Obama administration will be adjusting the deficit numbers. It seems that they were a little bit low. It will be revised from 7 trillion to 9 trillion. That of course does not count the cost of Obama care.

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RE: Our President documents his achievements - 8/26/2009 7:31:56 AM   
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One of this administration's many achievements has just been negated.


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Court Orders Fed to Disclose Emergency Bank Loans


Aug. 25 (Bloomberg) -- The Federal Reserve must for the first time identify the companies in its emergency lending programs after losing a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit.


Manhattan Chief U.S. District Judge Loretta Preska ruled against the central bank yesterday, rejecting the argument that loan records aren’t covered by the law because their disclosure would harm borrowers’ competitive positions.


The Fed has refused to name the financial firms it lent to or disclose the amounts or the assets put up as collateral under 11 programs, most put in place during the deepest financial crisis since the Great Depression, saying that doing so might set off a run by depositors and unsettle shareholders. Bloomberg LP, the New York-based company majority-owned by Mayor Michael Bloomberg, sued on Nov. 7 on behalf of its Bloomberg News unit.


“The Federal Reserve has to be accountable for the decisions that it makes,” said U.S. Representative Alan Grayson, a Florida Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, after Preska’s ruling. “It’s one thing to say that the Federal Reserve is an independent institution. It’s another thing to say that it can keep us all in the dark.” 

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Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke, who led the biggest expansion of the central bank’s power in its 95-year history, was nominated to a second term today by President Barack Obama.


Banks Worried


Obama promised a new era of government openness when he took office in January, issuing a statement telling agencies “to adopt a presumption in favor of disclosure” in responding to requests under FOIA.


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a7CC61ZsieV4


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