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Mercnbeth -> Our President documents his achievements (8/20/2009 5:21:11 PM)
Wanted to make sure that the President's perspective of his accomplishments got some notice. For some reason, there is a dearth of Presidential support on these boards lately. Without any qualification, here is the perspective of the President regarding his Administration's accomplishments; albeit in the short time he has had to work. MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS - US President Barack Obama quote: "There is something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee weed up!" "We should be proud of what we have done," Obama said. He said his sweeping economic stimulus plan had made an "enormous difference" and highlighted his move to lift the ban on government funding of stem cell research, and ban on the use of torture to interrogate terror suspects.

FullCircle -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/20/2009 5:28:05 PM)
What is this lack of support on the boards viewpoint based on?

DomImus -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/20/2009 7:01:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth For some reason, there is a dearth of Presidential support on these boards lately. A few of the former P&R faithful who were knee deep in the hoopla after the election and inauguration seemed to have split the scene. I guess they figured out that post inauguration Bush bashing only carries you so far and once they saw that Barry O really is not quite ready for prime time they scattered like cockroaches. I actually almost miss seeing how they would spin the town hall meetings. Ok. Not really.[:)]

Arpig -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/20/2009 7:59:42 PM)
Well given that its been 7 months now and all he can come up with as major accomplishments are the 3 items you listed, well I'd say it appears a little lacklustre. I mean one would expect more when he is blowing his own horn. However, on the plus side two of the three accomplishments are easily what one would consider major ones (economy & torture). The stem cell funding we will have to wait and see what comes of it...it has the potential to be the biggest thing of them all, if the medicos are right about what they can accomplish with stem cells and the associated research.

Rhodes85 -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/20/2009 8:19:28 PM)
I have to agree with Arpig, particularly in regards to the stem cell research funding.

TheHeretic -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/20/2009 8:27:00 PM)
"Everybody gets all wee weed up" ... That just doesn't seem like a good phrase for him to use at a time of high public debate. Somebody needs to start making a list of these Obamisms. UPS and FedEx kicking the post office's ass, "I don't have the facts but I'm sure the cops acted stupidly." Add some "ba-ba-ba-ba-ba" from the moments when TOTUS let him down, there has to be a viral video worth already. Does entertaining the opposition count as an achievement???

Aylee -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/20/2009 8:38:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic "Everybody gets all wee weed up" What does that MEAN anyways?

SpinnerofTales -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 4:26:34 AM)
quote: A few of the former P&R faithful who were knee deep in the hoopla after the election and inauguration seemed to have split the scene. I guess they figured out that post inauguration Bush bashing only carries you so far and once they saw that Barry O really is not quite ready for prime time they scattered like cockroaches. I actually almost miss seeing how they would spin the town hall meetings. ORIGINAL: DomImus There is no need to spin the town hall meetings. They speak for themselves. The republican party has staked it's entire political future on the failure of anything the Obama administration proposes. This attitude has trickled down (conservative's love that old trickle down thing) to the populace. Therefore, instead of speaking of reasonable worries (access to private as well as public options in healthcare, payment options and plans for any reform passed, etc.), they are painting swastikas and shouting like irate kindergarten kids who missed nap time. I do not believe in blaming Obama for not being able to have a dialog with people who's agenda is obstruction, not construction. As for Obama's achiements, in seven months I have seen him: 1) Lift the ban on stem cell research 2) Steward the economy past the threat of a black hole depression that threatened to destroy our entire financial system (I seem to remember a lot of posts saying how the stock market would be down below 6000 by now. I wonder where those people have run off to. Oh yes, they're still here, they just have moved on to another version of "the sky is falling" predictions.) 3) Rescue a hostage from Somali pirates with a reasonable use of force that didn't open up a new war (If you'll notice, no American ship has been pirated since) 4) Rescue 2 American citizens from a sentence of 12 years at hard labor in North Korea by use of diplomacy, opening the possibility of further diplomatic interactions and solutions. 5) Institute a government program that seems to have worked, aiding the ailing auto industry and getting many billions of dollars of consumer spending into the economy where it can do some good. Personally, I don't think that's too bad for 7 months. I have to say I find it rather laughable that the same opponents of the Obama administration who say that his supporters are brainwashed groupies who think the president is Jesus incarnate continue to howl it's indignation that in 7 months, he has not managed to correct every problem that has faced this country for the last forty years. I am not a wide eyed believer. It is my thought that Obama is a politician and so has some of the attributes of any politician. But I am a supporter of Obama. I voted for him in November, and knowing what I know now, do not regret that vote, not based on "well his opponent would be worse" but based on the performance I have seen so far. I have not gone anywhere. I just have been rather quiet because the republicans and neo-cons are screaming so loudly it is hard to be heard. Thanks for asking after me.

rulemylife -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 6:17:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic "Everybody gets all wee weed up" What does that MEAN anyways? Trickle-down economics. Also commonly referred to as a Republican golden shower.

Lucylastic -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 6:30:50 AM)
I prefer the my own libewal version....a cascade down effect:) Snorts

FullCircle -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 6:54:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic "Everybody gets all wee weed up" What does that MEAN anyways? You'd be better off asking the last little piggy.

Aylee -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 1:45:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Trickle-down economics. Also commonly referred to as a Republican golden shower. quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic I prefer the my own libewal version....a cascade down effect:) Snorts quote: ORIGINAL: FullCircle You'd be better off asking the last little piggy. Ya know. . . I was REALLY hoping that it did not meant that. I was hoping that I was just not current with some new lingo. head desk How uncouth.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 3:36:31 PM)
quote: MY ACCOMPLISHMENTS - US President Barack Obama quote: "There is something about August going into September where everybody in Washington gets all wee weed up!" "We should be proud of what we have done," Obama said. He said his sweeping economic stimulus plan had made an "enormous difference" and highlighted his move to lift the ban on government funding of stem cell research, and ban on the use of torture to interrogate terror suspects. My GOD! Imagine how bad it would be if the stimulus plan hasn't made such an "enormous difference"! California unemployment hits post-World War II high New York City jobless rate hits 9.6% - a 12-yr. high Las Vegas jobless rate hits all-time high of 13.1 percent

Arpig -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 3:44:32 PM)
You know,its hard to judge the effect of the various stimulus plans since they were pretty much universally implemented throughout the west, where the real economic problem was, and in all the affected countries the economy seems to be turning around. Was it due to the rapid application of said stimulus packages or would the recession have run its course over the same time anyway...that's the great unknowable. However something I heard on TV today, I wasn't really paying attention, just had it on as background, anyway it claimed that the recession has pretty much turned around in Hong Kong and China. Does anybody know if they used the same stimulus spending approach as the west used?

Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 3:57:34 PM)
quote: Does anybody know if they used the same stimulus spending approach as the west used? They may have spent the money to invest in what was succeeding instead of what was failing. You raise a very good question, and I'll have to try to check it out. Although, off the top of my head, I don't think recall any Chinese 'bail-outs'. The other question this generates, and I'd like to know, is who is buying their products/services resulting in the 'turn around'?

Arpig -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 4:24:32 PM)
I don't know Merc, I wasn't really paying attention, but I do recall them saying that the Chinese were waiting the turn around in the west to kick in so their economies could really take off again. I think its important to differentiate between the bailouts and stimulus spending, they are two different beasts. And wasn't the major bailout done before Obama took office? That can hardly be laid at his feet either pro or con. As for the GM/Chrysler bailout, well that was his doing as far as I know (well him and Harper...Canada is in the car business as well now). I am of two minds on this bailout. The idea of effectively rewarding the management for running their company into the ground bothers me a lot. At the very least they should all have been fired. On the other hand the economic fallout from their collapse would have been terrible, so the government did have an obligation to step in to do something to prevent the collapse of a huge part of the economy (especially in Canada, where the car industry makes up a larger part of our remaining industrial base then it does in the US). Anothert aspect of these particular bailouts that bugs me is that Ford, Toyota, Datsun, Hyundai, et. al. did not get any money, so what we have is effectively the governments subsidizing two of the competitors in the market and not the others....hardly seems fair that the ones who fucked up get the bonus and those that didn't fuck up get the shaft. Like I said, I am unsure just where I stand on it. Something had to be done, I'm just not sure what was done was the best "something". Maybe they should have just broken up GM & Chrysler and distributed their remaining assets amongst the remaining car manufacturers....I don't know.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 4:47:01 PM)
quote: Like I said, I am unsure just where I stand on it. Something had to be done, I'm just not sure what was done was the best "something". Maybe they should have just broken up GM & Chrysler and distributed their remaining assets among the remaining car manufacturers....I don't know. Part I was Bush bailing out the failures in Banking and Insurance. Listed cost was $179 Billion, although that was the result of a quick search. The second stimulus, initiated by President Obama, allocated $787 Billion in January. Pointed primarily to prevent GM and Chrysler from going bankrupt. A total of $957 Billion, going to entities that, by any standard, were failing. I agree with your assessment and opinion concerning Ford, Toyota, et al. My argument then and now was that the same money invested in successful companies could have been provided to enable Ford to buy GM/Chrysler and streamline; or gone to profitable Banks and insurance companies to buy the assets of the failures. The recently released numbers point to the worst case, or 'perfect storm' of economic collapse. Higher unemployment reduces government revenue at every level, local, state, federal. With less funds coming in, the social services in place have less money to use at the exact time more people seek them. Disconnected politicians and bureaucrats panic and raise taxes and fees to make up the gap. This results in more business cut backs, more layoffs, and further reduction in revenue. It's happening in California where after the largest tax increases went into effect in January; revenue is down and the deficit is increasing. The White House had to acknowledge the the same thing is happening. Obama to raise 10-year deficit to $9 trillion. It was just a few months ago when they claimed the Congressional Budget Office was incorrect and did not take the positive effect of the 'Stimulus Package' into account. They held to their number of $7.108 trillion. Not good, but in the hope of a positive impact. Today's news speaks to the resignation that something else can be expected as a result.

Arpig -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 4:54:55 PM)
Thinking about the effectiveness of all this stimulus spending....what happens when the money runs out? Will all the various companies getting the money just be right where they were to begin with? Or is the idea that this money will tide things over until the economy picks up on its own?

Mercnbeth -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 4:57:43 PM)
quote: Will all the various companies getting the money just be right where they were to begin with? This is an issue I've been trying to follow closely. To my knowledge, not one dollar of 'stimulus' has gone into the creation of any long term, permanent job source. Particularly troubling, but definitely not being reported by any news source.

Arpig -> RE: Our President documents his achievements (8/21/2009 5:11:23 PM)
That's pretty much how it is working up here as well. A lot of needed infrastructure work being done, but none of it seems likely to do more than stave off collapse for a year or two. Perhaps that will be enough,somehow I am not really hopeful. It is a good thing that all the sewers and bridges are being repaired but it really seems to be a very narrowly targeted stimulus package. The emphasis is on heavy construction,and while that is an important segment of the economy,I am not sure if it is big enough to drag the rest of the country out of the dumps. Like I said, I am really unsure about this whole process. It seems to be working, the economic indicators are beginning to turn around, but I am not really confident the turn around is real. I fear that when the extra money dries up next year the economy will tank again. It seems that very little effort has been put into determining what the root cause of the crash was and what can be done to remedy that problem, instead they (the collective governments of the west) are throwing mind-boggling sums of money at the problem, but focusing on short term projects/spending rather than trying to really fix the problem.

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