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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 10:40:02 AM

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Ok with the sympathy card, Kenedys position gets a 5% majority, which means?....

Hint, think of the saber battle between Obi Wan and Vader

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 10:43:30 AM

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You know it's really a reach to call this guy a "liberal."
That whole family is like a cime family. It's like calling the Genovese family "liberal" because they support soup kitchens or some such nonsense.
Marylyn Monroe threatens to spill the beans on her affair with JFK and Bobby and a few guys fly out to Calif. and two days later she's dead from a "drug overdose."
Ted was expelled from Harvard for cheating. The old man Joe was a bootlegger, a whisky smuggler. Were he alive today he'd be smuggling drugs.
The Kennedys care about "them" not about "poor people." They'll tell YOU to live with poor people but THEY won't do it!
The Clintons tried to be friends with Ted and look what he did to them!
His retard drug addict son should be working in a car wash not in the congress!
If it wasn't for old Joe's money Ted would have been working on a loading dock somewhere.
Caroline Kennedy Schlosburg probably owns property in Mass. Any bets that she'll "demand" to be enthroned in the seat that Ted currently "owns?"
Yup, Al Capone was a "liberal" too. He supported the working man.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 10:46:29 AM

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I don't follow. Why don't you illustrate this more clearly for me. Are you referring only to the MSNBC thread, where I suggested that it was hateful for their "news" program there to doctor video of a black guy carrying an assault rifle so the audience couldn't tell he was black, and then use it as an example which suggests that white racists are threatening Obama?

Or what specifics do you have in mind, if anything - because I think you're just making this up.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
No, I believe if you want to complain about those things you find offensive and then you do the same then your complaints ring hollow.

Specifically, what you've said on this thread.

But I'm more than happy to provide other examples. Lord knows there are enough to choose from.

RE: MSNBC Reporter Calls The President A Monkey - 11/30/2007 5:54:55 PM

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This reminds me of the "Insanity of Bush hatred" thread.

The Left is so full of hate that they feel completely justified in dehumanizing their political opposition...

Even rejoicing in it.

RE: America's favorite drama queen in the news again - 6/24/2009 7:09:33 AM

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I'm saying that these endless hateful personal attacks against the woman have a foundation, a precedent. They are a part of a continuing pattern...

The difference between the lefts attacks against Bush and Palin, etc, and the criticism that the right hands to liberals generally and Obama specifically is that GENERALLY criticism by the right is of things that have been done and of policies, while criticism by the left tends to be hateful personal criticism.

Not criticism of policies or actions, just hateful slime and, well, someone described it as being like school girl behavior, which seems really fitting.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 10:48:57 AM

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I'm a Liberal, and I agree with this statement entirely.

To Ted Kennedy, the man, I wish that his passing will be gentle, and that he and his family are emotionally prepared for it.

To Kennedy D-MA, I say "good riddance", and wish that he could have been removed under less personally unfortunate circumstances.

Our party needs better than the likes of him.

Probably the only post in this thread worth reading, and one of the very few that don't make me want to turn off the monitor and go wash my hands.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 10:56:11 AM

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RML, how is pointing out and opposing what he is trying to do politically "hateful personal criticism"?

Seriously how are you comparing this to making jokes about raping a politician's underage daughter?

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 11:16:55 AM

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Caroline Kennedy Schlosburg probably owns property in Mass. Any bets that she'll "demand" to be enthroned in the seat that Ted currently "owns?"

Acccording to the Boston Herald.com Ted's wife Vicki and his nephew Joe are getting set for a bruising battle over who will succeed Ted
http://www.bostonherald.com/track/inside_track/view/2009_05_05_Ted_Kennedy/srvc=home&position=also

The Washington Post has suggested Joseph Kennedy, the son of Robert F. Kennedy and a former member of Congress, would almost certainly have the right of first refusal since the seat has been in his family almost without a break

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/morning-fix/082109-morning-fix.html?wprss=thefix

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 11:17:43 AM

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The complaints seem even more hollow when you engage in the activites first. RML, haven't we heard you (certainly many lefties on here many times) bring up Rush's Health? We never heard commentarry hoping Cheny would not wake from surgery.

Ummmmm!

Where and when have you heard me say that or endorse anyone who has?

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What Kenedy is attempting to do now is a disgusting corruption of the concept of the Rule of Law. And he deserves to be called on it.

A disgusting corruption of the rule of law?

Can we possibly go any more over the top?

He's asking for an interim appointee in the event of his death. He is not asking to change the law. There would still be a special election to permanently fill his seat.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 11:29:40 AM

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RML, how is pointing out and opposing what he is trying to do politically "hateful personal criticism"?

Seriously how are you comparing this to making jokes about raping a politician's underage daughter?

It's not, and I've already answered this more than once.

It's not the issue on trial here it is Ted Kennedy.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 11:40:19 AM

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What an ass. The epitome of partisan politics.

What a classy thread.

Let's all see how we can can pile on the guy dying of brain cancer.

But I shouldn't have expected anything more.

They are grasping at straws again because that's all they have left. More repub majorities were achieved by people switching parties (not to indep. but to repub.) AFTER being voted in as dems.

There is NOTHING more despicable than that.

Kennedy has been responsible or heavily contributed to the passing of over 90 bills in the senate. They were mostly to do with taking the American middle-class...out of the tents they lived in in the 19th century...the capitalist being of such immense and immoral greed.

For example: Arlen Spector is a complete fraud and should be soundly defeated by any dem to run against him in the primaries. This man belongs OUT of the senate.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 1:34:25 PM

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Specifically, what you've said on this thread.

But I'm more than happy to provide other examples. Lord knows there are enough to choose from.

RE: MSNBC Reporter Calls The President A Monkey - 11/30/2007 5:54:55 PM

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This reminds me of the "Insanity of Bush hatred" thread.

The Left is so full of hate that they feel completely justified in dehumanizing their political opposition...

Even rejoicing in it.

I'm not rejoicing in calling Ted Kennedy a scumbag and I admit that's dehumanizing, but I have trouble seeing someone as human when they'll walk away from a drowning girl the way Ted did, and it's difficult to put a human face on someone so willing to try to use his own death this way for political gain.

There it is, and I'm won't apologize, and I don't see how it relates to the thread that you threw up.

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RE: America's favorite drama queen in the news again - 6/24/2009 7:09:33 AM

ORIGINAL: Sanity

I'm saying that these endless hateful personal attacks against the woman have a foundation, a precedent. They are a part of a continuing pattern...

The difference between the lefts attacks against Bush and Palin, etc, and the criticism that the right hands to liberals generally and Obama specifically is that GENERALLY criticism by the right is of things that have been done and of policies, while criticism by the left tends to be hateful personal criticism.

Not criticism of policies or actions, just hateful slime and, well, someone described it as being like school girl behavior, which seems really fitting.

Yes, the difference is clear - I am criticizing Ted Kennedy primarily for the things that he has done and not for his looks or his accent or what his kids or other relatives said, thought, did, or were afflicted with, so thank you for illustrating the key difference.

Were he a Conservative in a similar situation I'm sure there would be coarse jokes about his brothers and links posted to distasteful websites packed with the sickest kind of dead Kennedy humor.

Instead, in contrast, what you have are people discussing his actual deeds - his legacy.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 1:52:40 PM

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"A disgusting corruption of the rule of law?

Can we possibly go any more over the top?

He's asking for an interim appointee in the event of his death. He is not asking to change the law. There would still be a special election to permanently fill his seat. "

See here's the problem RML, you have your facts confused.

"I therefore am writing to urge you to work together to amend the law through the normal legislative process to provide for a temporary gubernatorial appointment until the special election occurs," writes the Senator."

He is absolulty asking for the law to be changed. Asking for it to changed back from what he asked for before. 4 years ago.

I stand by my assertion that this is a perversion of the concept of rule of law. IF you just switch it nilly willy so you side gets power no matter what, its a joke. And it's not a joke. These are the very real bonds of social contract that keep violence to a minimum and society functioning. To screw with them is very dangerous. Thats not hyperbole.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 3:23:23 PM

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Damn the man is a Democrat...he should be partisan and he should do everything he can to represent his party...He is trying to do what he was elected to do by his constituents. Other states appoint temporary senators it is nothing special.

What… it is somehow unethical to change laws through the state legislature?

Come on your just being spoilsports.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 3:41:14 PM

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Once again, the morally and ideologically bankrupt conservative wing resorts to demonization in order to try to gain back a power they have so justifiably been ushered out of by the American voter. The truth to this is that Ted Kennedy, dying of brain cancer, has proposed a legislative change. This may be a good or bad idea, but that is not being debated. Instead we hear about drowning women, governmental circumvention and all sorts of dirty tricks when this is a valid exercise in political process. Yes, I am saying he has the right to propose and speak for any legislative change he feels appropriate at any time. That is what a senator does. Try to stick to the issue of whether it is a good idea or not rather than to screaming "shame" at the top of your lungs. It's getting very old.

Now is you want to talk about political abuse, let's talk of Mayor Bloomberg, republican mayor of NY who overturned not one but two referendums on term limits to give himself, and only himself the option of a third term. Think on that before getting your panties in a bunch and realize that this partisan search for power is a trait shown by both parties. Of course, this will not happen. There is no interest in fairness. There is just partisan nonsense.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 4:45:19 PM

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Sorry SpinnerofTales...Rush told me to do it... did I drown out your silly reasonable words? You know my actions here are the new right wing way of debate and democracy.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 4:52:48 PM

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Guess you can't really debate that, KD...which is of course the point I suppose.

I don't suppose you want to give any sort of reference to bloomberg and what you speak of, do you Spinner.

No, if someone tries to push a bad Idea there is nothing wrong with crying "shame". Coming from a lefty it's kind of funny to hear. Their health has nothing to do with it.

In my opinion using a dying person to try to get a change is kind of scummy, and an appeal to emotion, instead of reason. Which is a VERY BAD thing for republics. You can disagree.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 4:54:49 PM

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Ted Kennedy was recently seen crawling down some railroad tracks.
Asked if there was a problem, he replied, "Yes. Can you help me off of this ladder?"

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 4:56:34 PM

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You should be ashamed of yourself, Aileen, thats just bad....you need to be punished....

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 4:58:05 PM

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Don't you think it is a little scummy to use the death of Kennedy to usurp the wishes of the electorate?

This would be the result of his death

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 5:00:25 PM

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Heh. I was looking for brain tumor jokes, but could only find drunk ones. Give me time...

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 5:06:24 PM

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I am not seeing where that is happening. I certainly would not support that. I wasn't aware he had died???? The voters chose to put him in there knowing he would probvably die. And 5 years ago they changed the law.

The only reason they are trying to change the law is power. Using a dying man to do it, is rather scummy.
They are not putting it infront of the electorate.

Trying to avoid criticism by using the man's health is really scummy.

And more important it is an appeal to emotion, not reason, which you can certainly agree with me is not a good thing for republics, right?

I suppose it is up to the voters of Mass to decide, but It seems wrong to waste millions of tax dollars durring a crisis, getting a special law to keep one party in power.

But that's how Dems roll...

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