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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 5:08:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just the fact that he is still thinking of his obligations at this time in his life makes me admire him...could you or would you still worry about politics when you are dying?

Give the man his due... even if you don't like his politics.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 5:10:47 PM   
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You want to give his side a win because of his health. Which trivialises politics with emotion and is a VERY BAD thing.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 5:14:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not because of his health...but because he was elected by his constituents to serve their wants and needs in the Senate...not to die and change the political balance.

You don’t die by election

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 5:26:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am all in favor of him not dying, but that doesn't really matter.

The voters choose to elect him with his health problems, and the law as it is. That was thier will. Now he wants to change it, and is using his health to tug the heartstrings for support.

There is no reason at all to change the law (which costs a lot of money to do) except to keep Power in the Democrats hands.

Sorry you don't like it being pointed out.


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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 6:04:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		It wouldn't be quite so bad if he hadn't pulled strings to get it changed already in the last power cycle.

As for Teddy, he has reached US life expectancy.  For a Kennedy male of his generation, that is an accomplishment.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 6:05:37 PM   
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I don't suppose you want to give any sort of reference to bloomberg and what you speak of, do you Spinner.

No, if someone tries to push a bad Idea there is nothing wrong with crying "shame". Coming from a lefty it's kind of funny to hear. Their health has nothing to do with it.

In my opinion using a dying person to try to get a change is kind of scummy, and an appeal to emotion, instead of reason. Which is a VERY BAD thing for republics. You can disagree.

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Here's a link to the report in the Bloomberg.com website. I don't think you can claim that his own news service is being biased: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNH.n0L14b4g

As for appeals to emotion, you must be joking. There has always been appeals to emotion rather than reason to achieve political ends. Everything from Bush trying to raise the terrorist alert level just before the 2004 elections, to citing "government death panels" in the health care debate, to Governer Paterson trying to paint his low approval rating as racism, emotion has replaced reason to an alarming degree in our political discussion. And why has this happened? Because it works. Because we let it happen. Because instead of demanding reason and rationality, we fall into the trap of emotional nonsense like rubes at a country fair. If we, as a nation, want to have our elected officials stop playing the emotional card, we have to use some good, old fashioned free market tactics and stop buying it.



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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 6:12:16 PM   
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Heh. I was looking for brain tumor jokes, but could only find drunk ones. Give me time...
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How about this one:

Ted Kennedy goes into his doctor's office. The Doctor says "Ted, I have two pieces of bad news for you. First you have brain cancer. Second you have Alzheimer's  disease." Kennedy says "At least I don't have brain cancer."


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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 6:44:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		lol.. And to think you were calling others scummy...can't you hear yourself...or read what you are saying

Don’t you think the people who elected him deserve to be represented? Or is it your position that when he dies their political rights die with him?


Is that the type of victory you need?

As I have stated other states appoint senators in this situation…some are red states…Why should you care if duly elected representatives change their own state laws… I thought you were all for state rights… or is it just the rights that suite your political view?

Butch


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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:00:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rightwinghippie

See here's the problem RML, you have your facts confused.

"I therefore am writing to urge you to work together to amend the law through the normal legislative process to provide for a temporary gubernatorial appointment until the special election occurs," writes the Senator."

He is absolulty asking for the law to be changed. Asking for it to changed back from what he asked for before. 4 years ago.



No, he is not.

My understanding of it is that the special election law was put into place to keep a partisan governor from appointing a member of his own party to fulfill the entire balance of a term being vacated, without any say by the voters.

Kennedy's term does not expire until 2012.

He is only asking for a temporary appointment until the special election can take place, which would be within months.







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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:06:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

My understanding of it is that the special election law was put into place to keep a partisan governor from appointing a member of his own party to fulfill the entire balance of a term being vacated, without any say by the voters.

Kennedy's term does not expire until 2012.

He is only asking for a temporary appointment until the special election can take place, which would be within months.



      So then your position is Kennedy is unable to perceive the consequences of his legislative efforts?   

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:12:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Heh. I was looking for brain tumor jokes, but could only find drunk ones. Give me time...


And here I thought the biggest conservative priority was morality.

Or does that only apply when someone's genitals are involved?

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:15:34 PM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

Heh. I was looking for brain tumor jokes, but could only find drunk ones. Give me time...


And here I thought the biggest conservative priority was morality.

Or does that only apply when someone's genitals are involved?


What makes you think I'm conservative? I think all politicians are asses. I'm equal opportunity.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:21:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

What makes you think I'm conservative?



Expressing an irreverent thought outside the official party line can cause that, Aileen, at least for some.

I still think you are an independent hottie! 

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:24:26 PM   
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What makes you think I'm conservative? I think all politicians are asses. I'm equal opportunity.


Well glad we cleared that up.

Partisan brain tumor jokes about someone with a brain tumor are obviously in bad taste.

But since you demonstrate equal opportunity in bad taste then we can just laugh the night away.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:27:06 PM   
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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:31:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		The funny thing is I find it completely consistent that the Teddy Kennedy who proposed MA change the way the appoint senators when John Kerry was running and there was a Republican gov can look people straight in the eye and try to get it changed back to the way it was now that there is a Democratic gov in MA.  No shame, just partisan politics.  But instead of saying it aloud, he acts like an appointed senator is somehow a more fair process than the current special election process he pushed for just a few years ago.  I'm sorry for what he's done to the Kennedy name, I think Bobby had the potential to have changed the world in huge, positive ways

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:33:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic


Expressing an irreverent thought outside the official party line can cause that, Aileen, at least for some.



How about outside the lines of human decency?

Or would you like to tell us more about how poor Sarah got her feelings hurt by someone saying she said something stupid.  When, of course, she said many stupid things. 

But pointing those things out were "vicious attacks", in your own words.

But attacking someone with a terminal illness is just "an irreverent thought"?




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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:36:56 PM   
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The funny thing is I find it completely consistent that the Teddy Kennedy who proposed MA change the way the appoint senators when John Kerry was running and there was a Republican gov can look people straight in the eye and try to get it changed back to the way it was now that there is a Democratic gov in MA.  No shame, just partisan politics.  But instead of saying it aloud, he acts like an appointed senator is somehow a more fair process than the current special election process he pushed for just a few years ago.  I'm sorry for what he's done to the Kennedy name, I think Bobby had the potential to have changed the world in huge, positive ways


He's not trying to change it back for Christ sake.

He's asking for a temporary appointment.

The old law was a permanent appointment for the balance of the term.

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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:45:50 PM   
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Oh calm down. You are one uptight person.
... for Rich.




Yeah, I tend to be like that when people have so little class as to make jokes about someone else's suffering.

I'm just strange that way.

Or maybe you don't realize the painful death this man is going to experience.

Or worse yet, you just don't care.





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RE: Ted Kennedy - 8/22/2009 8:49:06 PM   
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The Washington Post has suggested Joseph Kennedy, the son of Robert F. Kennedy and a former member of Congress, would almost certainly have the right of first refusal since the seat has been in his family almost without a break
This I find very frightening! Because a member of his family has held the seat for a long time he should have dibs on it? Can anybody say "rotten boroughs"?
I thought I understood the Constitution pretty well, but I guess I missed the part about a Senate seat being an hereditary thing.


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