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SilverMark -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 1:48:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Wow - running another play from the Jimmy Carter Presidency play-book. That worked out well. All set up for the worst right wing conservative pendulum swing in the history of the US. Castrating the CIA and their pragmatic tactics will be such an easy mark to point to when the next terrorist attack occurs. Obviously yet another Administration attempt at distraction from the pressing issues of the day. Hard to believe that a man of such intelligence as Obama is listening to whatever Washington 'insider' who is advocating for this. It loads the gun for killing off his Presidency. Hell, the CIA may initiate, or allow, something to occur just to make a point. But hey - since Gitmo is still open, will he investigate there - or just use it for those bastard CIA agents trying to determine where the next 9/11 incident will occur? Another of your Independent posts Merc? You know, you are the most conservative Republican Independent I have ever met. Although I rarely agree with him( respect him and like him in spite of it)...I think you judge him incorrectly.... Merc is an an anarchist!!!

rikigrl -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 2:46:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Wow - running another play from the Jimmy Carter Presidency play-book. That worked out well. quote: All set up for the worst right wing conservative pendulum swing in the history of the US. Castrating the CIA and their pragmatic tactics will be such an easy mark to point to when the next terrorist attack occurs. quote: Hard to believe that a man of such intelligence as Obama is listening to whatever Washington 'insider' who is advocating for this. It loads the gun for killing off his Presidency. Hell, the CIA may initiate, or allow, something to occur just to make a point. quote: But hey - since Gitmo is still open, will he investigate there - or just use it for those bastard CIA agents trying to determine where the next 9/11 incident will occur? Well, there you have it, quotation format learned in about 2 minutes, i never bothered to learn because i don't dissect posts, you may now find something else as picayune to find worthy of insult (as is the norm here going on personal observation), the trouble is is that you first and last sentences are still as obuse as ever. Feel free to hurl whatever personal insult you like (words with "tard" seem to be favoured in these forums) i shan't be back to this thread. you have been quite amusing also.

Sanity -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 2:57:22 PM)
I don't always agree with Merc but I respect him, and one thing about him is that he's consistent. quote: ORIGINAL: SilverMark Although I rarely agree with him( respect him and like him in spite of it)...I think you judge him incorrectly.... Merc is an an anarchist!!!

Politesub53 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:17:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Starbuck09 Personally I think if torture in some form or another has been deemed necessary then it should be completely open and ratified. There should be crystal clear rules on what is and is not acceptable like any other rules of war. Psssttttt......There are already rules on what is permissable, thats why there will be an inquiry.

mnottertail -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:18:37 PM)
Geneva or somewhere, wasn't it?

Sanity -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:22:34 PM)
Geneva covers uniformed soldiers. You know what the rules say is permissible to do to spies and other non uniformed combatants, don't you? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Geneva or somewhere, wasn't it?

Starbuck09 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:23:21 PM)
I know that polite sub but I think that clearly the laws are being broken as to an extent they alwayave been. In that case I would prefer torture in some forms was ratified so it could bem monitored strictly rather than prisoners being extradited to countries where there is no accountability whatsoever. If torture is going to happen I would rather it would occur in England than some doss house in Islamabad.

mnottertail -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:26:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Geneva covers uniformed soldiers. You know what the rules say is permissible to do to spies and other non uniformed combatants, don't you? No, enlighten me. You see this coming, right? and wanna go at it anyway? LOL, ok.

Politesub53 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:32:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Geneva covers uniformed soldiers. You know what the rules say is permissible to do to spies and other non uniformed combatants, don't you? quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Geneva or somewhere, wasn't it? We have done this arguement to death. Not all prisoners held at gitmo and elsewhere were captured on the battlefield. Many were held on the testimony of others, often people settling a core or after a reward. Until proven otherwise, these would be civilians.

Sanity -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:34:52 PM)
Obama's CIA director all wee-weed up? quote: Obama White House v. CIA; Panetta Threatened to Quit Tensions Lead to CIA Director's "Screaming Match" at the White House A "profanity-laced screaming match" at the White House involving CIA Director Leon Panetta, and the expected release today of another damning internal investigation, has administration officials worrying about the direction of its newly-appoint intelligence team, current and former senior intelligence officials tell ABC News.com. Amid reports that Panetta had threatened to quit just seven months after taking over at the spy agency, other insiders tell ABCNews.com that senior White House staff members are already discussing a possible shake-up of top national security officials. "You can expect a larger than normal turnover in the next year," a senior adviser to Obama on intelligence matters told ABCNews.com. Since 9/11, the CIA has had five directors or acting directors. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=8398902

Politesub53 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:36:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Starbuck09 I know that polite sub but I think that clearly the laws are being broken as to an extent they alwayave been. In hat case I would prefer torure in some forms ws ratified st could bem monitored strictly rather than prisoners being exradited to countries where there is no accountability whatsoever. If torture is going to happen I would rather it would occur in England than some doss house in Islamabad. Thats nonsense, torture is illegal, having it happen in some nice place, like the Gitmo Hilton, wont alter that fact. What you are suggesting is making an illegal act permissible. It wont wash with me Starbuck.

Sanity -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:36:59 PM)
All just innocent babes in the woods, I'm sure. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 We have done this arguement to death. Not all prisoners held at gitmo and elsewhere were captured on the battlefield. Many were held on the testimony of others, often people settling a core or after a reward. Until proven otherwise, these would be civilians.

mnottertail -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:37:39 PM)
As were 4 of Arbustos. Who wants to be in the midst of that ne'er do well, good for nothing political shithole...............intelligence, no evidence of that in that organization. Ron

MstrPBK -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:39:29 PM)
I have been sitting on the sidelines trying to hold back on this subject. BUT I have a need to speak up; and what I am about to say may be controversial. How many here can see themselves as testing the bounds of slave(s) in the same manor as the military interrogators whom are employed? Can we objective say to ourselves what is fair interrogation and what is not? Are we too close to this subject to react objectively? CAN we help draw this line with out having fingers being pointed back at us as a community? Respectfully submitted, MstrPBK St. Paul, MN USA

Politesub53 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:39:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity All just innocent babes in the woods, I'm sure. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 We have done this arguement to death. Not all prisoners held at gitmo and elsewhere were captured on the battlefield. Many were held on the testimony of others, often people settling a core or after a reward. Until proven otherwise, these would be civilians. Its already been proven, denying it wont alter the fact that some innocents ended up at gitmo.

Sanity -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:41:01 PM)
Who wouldn't want to check in to Club G'itmo "Your tropical retreat from the stress of Jihad"

mnottertail -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:42:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrPBK I have been sitting on the sidelines trying to hold back on this subject. BUT I have a need to speak up; and what I am about to say may be controversial. How many here can see themselves as testing the bounds of slave(s) in the same manor as the military interrogators whom are employed? Can we objective say to ourselves what is fair interrogation and what is not? Are we too close to this subject to react objectively? CAN we help draw this line with out having fingers being pointed back at us as a community? Respectfully submitted, MstrPBK St. Paul, MN USA First off, I am not that introspective.... However; when not dealing in hyperbole, there is a vast chasm between vice-gripping a woman's clit, and merely threatening to do so. Ron

Starbuck09 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:43:58 PM)
I know torture is illegal sub, but it is beig used apparently increasingly so. If that is the cae then I think an argument can be made to legalise and codify certain practices so that prisoners being tortured can be monitored and not simply disspear in some backwater. If I thought that the geneva convention would stop all torture then that would be fine but clearly it isn't. If the reason for that is that the intelligence gathered using such methods is better than many others then I think a frank open debate about this practice needs to be had, if the intelligence services are going to do this regardless of international law as frankly it seems they always have done I would like to see them more fully accountable. Having it in England rather than some other less regulated country would make it much easier to do that.

Politesub53 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:46:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Who wouldn't want to check in to Club G'itmo "Your tropical retreat from the stress of Jihad" Put like that, it sounds inviting...LOL

Politesub53 -> RE: 'Inhumane' CIA terror tactics spur criminal probe‎ (8/25/2009 3:50:17 PM)
Starbuck, we dont have it in England, as no one wants it, not since the bill of rights in 1689. Please dont tell me you are happy for it to be reintroduced here, for whatever reason.

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