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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/29/2009 10:49:07 PM

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How ironic - Panda's musings prove that the concerns raised in Lucy's pamphlet have legitimacy.

Yeah... great idea. Death panels for Republicans... limiting their health care. [/sarcasm]

Sorry Spinner, words like "Nazis" are merely descriptive, and they probably aren't going away any time soon.

I think that Panda was making what is called a "joke", Sanity. Not unlike republican gubernatorial candidate Rex Rammell who commented on his wanting to buy tags to allow him to hunt President Obama (President Barak HUSSEIN Obama as the many in he right wing seem to be unable to do other than to call him). Just as I don't think that Mr. Rammell was threatening to shoot our president, I do not think any user here, and certainly no politician in Washington is seriously considering denying health care based on political affiliation.

If you were trying a spin to this to justify your attacks on anyone who does not share your conservative viewpoint it is a shameful action. If you actually thought it was a serious suggestion, I will be glad to fund a drive to get donations from the other users of CM to chip in money to buy you a sense of humor. And please don't respond with "I don't think it was funny." I am not as concerned with whether you found it funny as to whether you can recognize a sarcastic joke when it all but bites you in the ass.

As for nazi being descriptive, no it is not. Neither progressives nor conservatives are nazis. The term is not a descriptive one but rather a flat out lie. Those who use it are liars and not to be taken seriously in anything they say. Simple as that.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/29/2009 11:22:35 PM

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It’s not true but I wish it was true for stem cell research. I think those people who complained about having to pay to fund stem cell research, I don’t think those people should benefit from any stem cell research since they have done nothing to support the policy. I’ve always thought those people were disingenuous and if they became ill they would choose to live even if it meant using embryonic stem cells.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/29/2009 11:42:27 PM

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Since the RNC has decided to ask such a fair and thought provoking question, I would like to suggest some other questions it might ask in their literature.

1) Because births are recorded and dogs licensed, it is possible that the Democrats may decide to serve baby stew with puppy sauce to feed illegal immigrants before sending them off to rape and kill small white children. Would you approve of this policy?

2) Would you be concerned if the Democrats made abortion not only legal but mandatory?

3) Does the idea of having an Islamic Kenyan who was bought by foreign oil money to subvert the entire democratic form of government make you at all nervous?

4) There are some people who suggest that Obama is the anti-christ. If this is true, would you want him re-elected to another four years as president?

Come on, RNC...if you're going to do it, do it right.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/29/2009 11:54:05 PM

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Philosophically, once your health becomes a public concern, absolutly everything you do becomes the public concern.

....er.....why?

Sorry, maybe i'm being dense but i don't follow your logic here. Other countries with universal health care haven't made the link you refer to....why would it happen that way in the US?

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 12:03:55 AM

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You guys do campaign on the premise that Bush let thousands of Americans die, because he hates blacks and Democrats.
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Actually, I campaigned on the premise that Bush appointed one of his buddies to FEMA who was completely incompetent and then commented publicly on what a good job he had done. Kanya West made the claim that Bush didn't like black people, but I don't usually credit entertainers such as Mr. West or Mr. Limbaugh for that matter, with tremendous political credibility.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 1:58:45 AM

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Philosophy, I read thread after thread from people bemoaning the fact that the UK and Canada are turning into nanny states. I suppose there is direct and indirect controll over it. I just see making health care political having potential pitfalls and rife for abuse.

Also in the post you snipped from I noted that Obama wants an unprecedented linkage of data to go with each patient. It will create massive health benefits and savings. And will have the potential for horrible abuse. This stuff is going to be on the Web, and hackable. Medical blackmail will occur (it actually already does, it will just bemore comon). Low paid nurses and cleaning staff will have access to it. I don't think every health care worker is an angel. I have met some who talk like some of the radical left on here. Would they care less about a hardcore republican, possibly.

Also you get into the whole you have to pay for whatever I want to do. Imagine If the Proleatariat was in charge, would they want to pay fro rich white people who get hurt exreme skiing? OR if the Bible thumpers don't feel like paying for Aids, OR why wouldn't they drug test people?...We can come up with them all days.

Like I said I think the danger is worth it. I want a Single Payer system. Mandatory yearly checkups. I am off the reservation on this, and this is my main difference with conventional Republicans. But there is a danger.

In the US we do a Census every 10 years. Durring WW2 the feds went to the Census Buera and demanded the name and adress of evry japanese person in the Country. The Census refused. It went to court. The Census won, and the lists were declared secret. FDR's boys went and broke in and stole them and rounded em up.

Why would this only be a problem in the USA? I don't know we like to shoot each other a lot also.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 2:23:13 AM

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Hippie, medical records in the UK are already accessable to low paid staff, such as nurses and receptionists. I cant say I have heard of anyone being blackmailed over their health, although I concede there may have been the odd case.

As for the "You pay for what i do" scenario, why do you hold health to be different from warfare, surely many US taxpayers object to the use of arms ect. I dont see any difference here in the say taxpayers get over where their pounds or dollars are spent. You pay tax, it gets spent, end of.

There have been many posts about the UK and Canada being nanny states, but not from British or Canadian posters, for the main part. I think this is partly due to American ideology over the social services being different from ours. Our health service isnt utopia, but it is effective and available to everyone.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 2:46:36 AM

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LOL... gotta love the thought of calling someone who takes care of your health a "low paid staff" (in reference to nurses)

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 2:54:29 AM

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LOL... gotta love the thought of calling someone who takes care of your health a "low paid staff" (in reference to nurses)

Shamefully, nursing staff in the UK are relatively low paid. I should have probably said junior nurses and ancilleries.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 3:03:52 AM

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Its ok. many in the US believe the same about nurses, that we arent worth what we are paid. If people only knew the truth.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 9:05:23 AM

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Philosophically, once your health becomes a public concern, absolutly everything you do becomes the public concern. We should be clear about this. Absolutly everything you do affects your health. I use to oppose National Health, but no longer do. Obama wants to link all the records that are relevant to our health (which is absolutly everything), and have it available online, where it will of course be absolutly protected , and could never be used against you in any way.

ORIGINAL: rightwinghippie

Perhaps, RWH, President Obama wants to keep things like this from happening:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/16/health.care.hearing/

To summarize, a woman was diagnosed with breast cancer and approved for a double mastectomy to treat it. Three days before her surgery, the insurance company decided that, due to a treatment she had for acne in 2008, a mistatement on her weight on her application and the omission of a medicine that she was not taking at the time of her application, her coverage was rescinded. Just maybe he has the idea that if all one's medical records were transcribed, stored in one place and easily accessible, that this would not happen with such frequency. Nahhhh...far more reasonable to assume he has this grand idea that he can deny republicans health care coverage and so keep democrats in power forever as the republicans will be too sick to vote.

Oh..and as to your other question, for my part, if a person was in need of a kidney transplant and it was my responsibility to judge their candidacy for such, I would not be affected by their political affiliation at all. We are not enemies. The fact that you can bring this up at all, combined with your statement that you would have supported this bill if the party you favored was in power when it was passed seems to indicate a party vs party mentality that is not healthy for the country or it's citizens.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:08:46 AM

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That 's pretty weak, that wasn't a joke, he wrote that to say he is in agreement with Marsbonfire. I've read a couple of Marsbonfire's posts, enough to know that Marsbonfire believes in the stuff he posts (anyone who's been here a while knows what I'm saying).

What is funny about saying you would like to disallow medical care to people who disagree with you politically, anyway. And how would that work, would we and our families get special armbands? Or what?

Oh yeah, hilarious "joke".

Here's another funny for you, if you got off on Panda's "joke":

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=2782936

If you really would like talk of Nazis and so forth to end on these boards then start calling your people on such despicable, disgusting talk, instead of trying to justify it or pretend that its something other than what it is.

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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTalesI think that Panda was making what is called a "joke"

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:16:07 AM

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Considering how the political winds seem to be continually changing directions in the US would it not be a little shortsighted of the Democrats to base care on political affiliation? I mean what would happen to their care when the Republicans regained control?

It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to manipulate people on political issues.

I can just imagine the contempt the manipulators have for the people of their own party.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:28:16 AM

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That 's pretty weak, that wasn't a joke, he wrote that to say he is in agreement with Marsbonfire. I've read a couple of Marsbonfire's posts, enough to know that Marsbonfire believes in the stuff he posts (anyone who's been here a while knows what I'm saying).

What is funny about saying you would like to disallow medical care to people who disagree with you politically, anyway. And how would that work, would we and our families get special armbands? Or what?

No, I'm thinking a microchip would be best. That way we could keep track of you if you tried to sneak across the border to get some of that communist medical care in Canada. We could install sensors all along the Canadian border, sort of like those "invisible fences" that people use to keep dogs from leaving the yard. You try to cross the border, the sensors detect you, and a black helicopter is dispatched to come and pick you up. You'd then be allowed to spend a few years in a re-education camp (at state expense, of course), and when you were rehabilitated, you'd be released back into society to resume your happy, productive life.

You still couldn't have medical care, of course, but at least you'd enjoy the happiness that comes from knowing that you're serving the state and sacrificing on behalf of the common good.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:30:06 AM

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(Now here's a joke) -

I think we may have just located Obama's new health care Czar!!!

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:34:13 AM

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Nah, meth addicts and black helicopter freaks would dig those fuckin' things right out.

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No, I'm thinking a microchip would be best.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:46:25 AM

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What is funny about saying you would like to disallow medical care to people who disagree with you politically, anyway. And how would that work, would we and our families get special armbands? Or what?

Oh yeah, hilarious "joke".
ORIGINAL: Sanity

It's called sarcasm, Sanity. It is used when someone says something so incredibly stupid that it is not worth taking seriously. Case in point: The idea that there is any idea of denying republicans health care just because of party affiliation. This is a stupid concept, advanced by the RNC as a scare tactic and now suddenly is getting debate as if it were actually on the table as a possiblity. Tell me, Sanity, if the RNC had asked "Would it concern you if Obama sold the earth to black, muslim aliens from another planet?" would you be taking THAT seriously?

And since you are so offended by this humor, can you please address the question of whether you think it is funny to speak of shooting the president of the United States? Because that's what a republican gubinatorial candidate did....and I don't see the democrats screaming "The republicans want to assassinate the president! What shall we do?"

If you can't tell a joke from a serious position, if you can't tell sarcasm from an honest opinion then you have strayed into the zone where, as Barney Frank so aptly put it, discussing things with you is like arguing with a dining room table.

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:51:32 AM

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Nah, meth addicts and black helicopter freaks would dig those fuckin' things right out.

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No, I'm thinking a microchip would be best.

That would get you across the border, but it wouldn't get you medical care. Once the New World Order is established, patients in every country will have to demonstrate that they're entitled to medical care, and no doctor anywhere in the world would be allowed to treat anyone without a microchip. But you already know this; it's nothing your radio programs haven't been telling you 24 hours a day, right?

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:54:55 AM

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Bzzt! Sooo sorry, but no - you're the one who can't tell the difference, Mr. Table.

It was neither a joke, nor was it sarcasm.

If you would liket to discuss Mr. Manwill, start yourself a thread.

(Just a suggestion).

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RE: GOP hints Dems would deny Republicans health care - 8/30/2009 10:57:57 AM

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Tell me, Sanity, if the RNC had asked "Would it concern you if Obama sold the earth to black, muslim aliens from another planet?" would you be taking THAT seriously?

See, that's just the thing. He would. Because that's no crazier than half of the other idiotic shit he spouts here a dozen times a day. If he heard that on a radio program, I would bet serious money that he would honestly take it seriously.

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If you can't tell a joke from a serious position, if you can't tell sarcasm from an honest opinion then you have strayed into the zone where, as Barney Frank so aptly put it, discussing things with you is like arguing with a dining room table.

A realization that more and more of us are finally coming to every day.

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