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RE: listing my wants - 8/30/2009 9:14:56 PM   
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It feels weird to me to list wants.


Why? It shouldn't. You're human. You have them. There's no shame in that.

luci


I think it's not so much not having them as it is not being able to identify them. At least that's my problem.

When I'm submitting I'm thinking what he wants, not what I want. Sitting down and trying to identify what I want is sort of strange somehow. I know I have them because I know when they're lacking in fulfilment. But listing them? It's just strange somehow. I should know what they are, but I have to think about it for a while first.

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RE: listing my wants - 8/30/2009 11:57:38 PM   
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Funny this should be brought up at this time. Went and hung out with my Master on friday and He kept asking about my wants, needs and desires. (very new relationship) And I couldnt answer him... So I went home and pondered the question, for about 24 hours before I could manage to put it into words... so for my list I will copy and paste what I put in the e mail...
 
First, my wants, needs, and desires. Well they can all be summed up with one main umbrella statment. To Learn. I want to learn more about you, more about myself, I want to learn more about the pleasures and pains of it all. I want to just soak it all in, experience things. Discover things about myself that I would never think imaginable. I want to figure out why I have the reactions to things that I do, I want to find out what I will have similar reactions to, and what won't do anything for me. I just want to learn about it all, take in everything that I can and hope that there will be more around the next corner. I have done a lot of reading, and researching, but nothing is compared to actual experience, to the first hand knowledge of so many things. As for actual specific things I have thought about wanting, there has only been one scene that I have every really gone into detail with myself about. I like to think I am willing to try something at least once and then maybe again before I say I dont like it.
 
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RE: listing my wants - 8/31/2009 4:03:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

Ya know..I'm not sure I have any wants.

My enslavement is more a list of needs.

Needing to be dominated
Needing to be obedient
Needing to submit
Needing to be in a long term committed loving relationship

I guess if I had to list wants...
I want to be bound
I want to treated like an object at times
I want to be given consideration at times
I want to be tormented sometimes but also to be given sensuality at other times

There are probably others but that's some I thought of.
It feels weird to me to list wants.



it was wierd for me too, to start with.

i think that so often the D knows exactly what they want and we are more than happy to oblige.  we settle happily into the knowledge that our tastes and mindset are the same and off we go.

i suppose that in the end our lists will end up very similar or we will read someone elses and go 'oh yeah, that too' - ultimately because, on the whole many of us are very similar in why we are here and what we are looking for.

maybe i have taken that too much for granted though.  i state that i am a slave type and then make the assumption that that will mean x y and z to any approaching Master.

so, in answer to RM,  'oh yeah that too' lol.  actually i woke up this morning and thought i should have also put.

* i want to be owned completely
* i want to serve a funny, intelligent, creative and loving magician.

so, maybe our lists wont be exactly the same

* i also want to be touched and carressed softly sometimes.

im getting worryingly good at this..

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RE: listing my wants - 8/31/2009 7:32:28 AM   
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My wants are your needs and vice versa.
Do we have to discuss this any further or?  ..didn't think so.


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RE: listing my wants - 8/31/2009 5:19:00 PM   
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Nice list, Lally. I especially liked the last item. :)

Ok, I'll try a stab at this.

* I want to be with someone who will, at times, both thrill me and frighten me.
* I want to feel as owned and controlled as I possibly can, no matter what the trade-off. There are a lot of difficult "trade-offs" in this world, but when you know where your priorities lie, it's easier not to let the trade-offs get in the way.
* I want always to miss my dominant when they are gone, and yearn for their presence. Yes, missing them sucks... but it also doesn't!
* I want a chance to be a servant to somebody again, to obediently contribute to their well-being, goals, and plans, and of course, be punished severely when I disobey. (Not a fantasy here, I hate punishment, but how else do you become a better servant?)
* I want to feel as if even my mind is not my own.
* I want hard, constant use, sex that feels like rape, worked hard at home after a long day at a job, forced to do things that I don't want to do or when I don't want to do them.
* I also want some assurance that I have a place and that it's not going to go away, but I'm not too picky about where that place is... as long as it's not on top.
* I want always to be out-maneuvered.
* I want to look around at my enviornment and experiences, whether they be in a hovel in a slum or in something a little better and think to myself, "This is what s/he's given me. And it is good."

Kind of a greedy list, I must admit, but it has been a while since I've been owned.

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RE: listing my wants - 9/1/2009 8:47:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: CaringandReal

Nice list, Lally. I especially liked the last item. :)

Ok, I'll try a stab at this.

* I want to be with someone who will, at times, both thrill me and frighten me.
* I want to feel as owned and controlled as I possibly can, no matter what the trade-off. There are a lot of difficult "trade-offs" in this world, but when you know where your priorities lie, it's easier not to let the trade-offs get in the way.
* I want always to miss my dominant when they are gone, and yearn for their presence. Yes, missing them sucks... but it also doesn't!
* I want a chance to be a servant to somebody again, to obediently contribute to their well-being, goals, and plans, and of course, be punished severely when I disobey. (Not a fantasy here, I hate punishment, but how else do you become a better servant?)
* I want to feel as if even my mind is not my own.
* I want hard, constant use, sex that feels like rape, worked hard at home after a long day at a job, forced to do things that I don't want to do or when I don't want to do them.
* I also want some assurance that I have a place and that it's not going to go away, but I'm not too picky about where that place is... as long as it's not on top.
* I want always to be out-maneuvered.
* I want to look around at my enviornment and experiences, whether they be in a hovel in a slum or in something a little better and think to myself, "This is what s/he's given me. And it is good."

Kind of a greedy list, I must admit, but it has been a while since I've been owned.


not greedy atall, infact if you go back over it again alot of it is about what you can give, even down to the one about missing Him, who doesnt want to be missed!

i especially liked youre first one, about being thrilled and frightened, and the one about being out manoevered, that is really hawt!!!  so im pinching those two if thats ok.   xx

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RE: listing my wants - 9/1/2009 9:56:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2

slightly more experienced than i was a few years ago i think my wants have changed and id quite like to share them and see if you guys can come up with some that youve discovered or feel that youd like to discover.

identifying our 'wants' helps us to identify what and who we are looking for and the type of relationship we think we would flourish in.  so here goes mine:


i find it difficult to wrap my mind around this. enslavement in my mind entails something simple. he leads and i follow. i can want until the sun comes down but that doesn't mean any of it will be granted. so rather than form a list of stuff that merely fills my head with ideas that may have to be purged later on i keep it simple.

i look at the person. i find that the characteristics he possesses as the man will be in tow as the master. when i consider what i want that is where i look. if it appears these things have been satisfied to some degree we move forward. if not, we don't.

i'm both a woman and slave. the two function in tandem but the mindsets don't always run parallel. in order to preserve the latter, i must temper the first. i cannot allow the woman's ideologies to damage what i've built.

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RE: listing my wants - 9/1/2009 10:13:33 AM   
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This thread caused me a lot of distress when i first saw it and it took me a couple of days to realized why.  While listing my wants is difficult for me in and of itself, there also is the problem that my greatest wants are to have Sir home safe, soon and permanently.  All other desires become moot next to these. It's been a continuous struggle going on a year now to accept that i might not get to have Him home safely, i will most certainly not get to have Him home soon and because of the nature of His employment and the state of the world, He ain't likely to be off assignment for very long either. 
What a bleeping bummer.
<end whining>
As for wants outside this specific circumstance, i find that listing them made me feel so raw that i think i should keep them to myself for the time-being. *stuffs scrawled on page in her back pocket*  Thank you for starting this thread and thank you to those who have already responded.  It's given me quite a lot to think about.



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RE: listing my wants - 9/1/2009 6:11:08 PM   
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Good evening!
I kinda agree with a couple of others here. Your first list of wants sounds exactly like my list of needs. Wants means that I may or may not get them, that "wants" are just a suggestive list to Daddy. My needs are what I will get or what will be given to me.  I need to feel loved, I need to be safe-rather than I want and then chance it that he will not love me or keep me safe in any circumstance. I want to be touched gently, I want to your adult children to know that I am of importance in your life. See? Things I may not get. but really both lists can be endless. Gosh, I hope you are able to type it or you could end up with a cramp! just being silly...but for me, I saw the list upside down. Good luck!
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RE: listing my wants - 9/2/2009 8:57:10 AM   
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Wants and needs both very different. Master knows i need his love and that i need him to be with me and i need his dominance. I have to tell Master my wants because he told me to. I might not get them but he want to hear them. My main want is more time with him, he does give me that one when he can. I want him to kep track of time so he will be here when he says. I have other wants, but they are sexual wants and i wil not pot them here.

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RE: listing my wants - 9/2/2009 11:07:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: lally2

slightly more experienced than i was a few years ago i think my wants have changed and id quite like to share them and see if you guys can come up with some that youve discovered or feel that youd like to discover.

identifying our 'wants' helps us to identify what and who we are looking for and the type of relationship we think we would flourish in.  so here goes mine:


i find it difficult to wrap my mind around this. enslavement in my mind entails something simple. he leads and i follow. i can want until the sun comes down but that doesn't mean any of it will be granted. so rather than form a list of stuff that merely fills my head with ideas that may have to be purged later on i keep it simple.

i look at the person. i find that the characteristics he possesses as the man will be in tow as the master. when i consider what i want that is where i look. if it appears these things have been satisfied to some degree we move forward. if not, we don't.

i'm both a woman and slave. the two function in tandem but the mindsets don't always run parallel. in order to preserve the latter, i must temper the first. i cannot allow the woman's ideologies to damage what i've built.

porcelaine





part of why i put this up was because it was hard to get my head around too and i was interested to see how you guys would respond to it.  it isnt something i have ever been asked in do.  i have been asked my fantasies, i have been asked what i want out of a Ds or Ms relationship, but i have never been asked to list my wants.

i was told that once i had made my list to refer back to it from time to time to tick things off and follow my own progress as time goes on.

i agree that each relationship is different and with each Master we submit to there is always a huge variation on the theme of what, how and if ever.  but i also think that to list our wants isnt so far out of the box to be greedy or innapropriate.

in a way, if we read the TPE thread, all that a list like this does, is give the D an idea of where we are, where we would like to go and how we are doing.

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RE: listing my wants - 9/2/2009 11:09:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: petmonkey

This thread caused me a lot of distress when i first saw it and it took me a couple of days to realized why.  While listing my wants is difficult for me in and of itself, there also is the problem that my greatest wants are to have Sir home safe, soon and permanently.  All other desires become moot next to these. It's been a continuous struggle going on a year now to accept that i might not get to have Him home safely, i will most certainly not get to have Him home soon and because of the nature of His employment and the state of the world, He ain't likely to be off assignment for very long either. 
What a bleeping bummer.
<end whining>
As for wants outside this specific circumstance, i find that listing them made me feel so raw that i think i should keep them to myself for the time-being. *stuffs scrawled on page in her back pocket*  Thank you for starting this thread and thank you to those who have already responded.  It's given me quite a lot to think about.




youre list can be as long or as short as you like  -

sending hugs and love while you wait. xxx

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RE: listing my wants - 9/2/2009 11:11:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: littleone35

Wants and needs both very different. Master knows i need his love and that i need him to be with me and i need his dominance. I have to tell Master my wants because he told me to. I might not get them but he want to hear them. My main want is more time with him, he does give me that one when he can. I want him to kep track of time so he will be here when he says. I have other wants, but they are sexual wants and i wil not pot them here.

Matt's littleone


i have to agree with you, i think wants and needs are different.  i dont need to feel protected, but i want to feel His protection.  i dont need to play in a club, but i want to be able to with confidence if He so wishes., etc.,

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RE: listing my wants - 9/2/2009 11:17:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Zechriel

Good evening!
I kinda agree with a couple of others here. Your first list of wants sounds exactly like my list of needs. Wants means that I may or may not get them, that "wants" are just a suggestive list to Daddy. My needs are what I will get or what will be given to me.  I need to feel loved, I need to be safe-rather than I want and then chance it that he will not love me or keep me safe in any circumstance. I want to be touched gently, I want to your adult children to know that I am of importance in your life. See? Things I may not get. but really both lists can be endless. Gosh, I hope you are able to type it or you could end up with a cramp! just being silly...but for me, I saw the list upside down. Good luck!
Love,
Zechriel



the word 'want' has a petulance to it i think.  it conjours up pictures of spoilt children stamping their feet and saying 'i want'.

but allowing for the fact that we are all adults here and allowing for the fact that we have all agreed that we are not spoilt brats and that we are not the type to demand anything or expect anything.  a list of wants is an interesting exercise.

once negotiation ends and TPE begins my specific wants and needs will no longer be an issue because He already knows them.   if in the future He asks me to update it, well, then, who am i to question Him

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RE: listing my wants - 9/3/2009 8:37:57 AM   
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youre list can be as long or as short as you like  -
     It keeps getting longer with each day He's away. *stuffs page two in her other back pocket*
sending hugs and love while you wait. xxx
    Thank you very much.
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RE: listing my wants - 9/3/2009 10:46:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: lally2

part of why i put this up was because it was hard to get my head around too and i was interested to see how you guys would respond to it.  it isnt something i have ever been asked in do.  i have been asked my fantasies, i have been asked what i want out of a Ds or Ms relationship, but i have never been asked to list my wants.

i was told that once i had made my list to refer back to it from time to time to tick things off and follow my own progress as time goes on.

i agree that each relationship is different and with each Master we submit to there is always a huge variation on the theme of what, how and if ever.  but i also think that to list our wants isnt so far out of the box to be greedy or innapropriate.

in a way, if we read the TPE thread, all that a list like this does, is give the D an idea of where we are, where we would like to go and how we are doing.


i truly understood that and often found myself referring back to my lessons on wants and expectations. i have been taught to move away from want inspired thinking in conjunction with the resignation of expectations which generally tie in loosely with these things. it isn't the fact that i wouldn't be able to conjure such a list, but my thinking merely doesn't go along those lines.

i must be mindful of the things i feed. if i focus on what i want i'm looking outside of his directive and illuminating my own. that doesn't mean this is wrong. we all have our personal wishes and i think that is healthy. but i also agreed to forsake my ability to pursue those things in deference to what the other party would feel is best for us as a pair. which entails reigning in those things and trusting the path he has laid instead.

the exercise you spoke of is once i've done myself. once you've begun to remove those things from your list and consciousness, yielding becomes much easier. so when i indicated i couldn't wrap my head around it, that was not because i didn't understand the premise behind what you've stated. but truthfully because those things occupy very little space in my head.

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RE: listing my wants - 9/3/2009 2:15:22 PM   
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There is nothing so much i want from submission as that is just the way i am and i can get as much or as little out of it as i please depending on my mood
There is however an enormous amount i want from my Husband... i am greedy as hell, i want more and more of Him and my wants change from this to that aswell...

especially sexually i can't relate much to sub being as giving so much, i just like to take
i could write list after list... i can get very detailed too if that is required
gimme gimme gimme

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RE: listing my wants - 9/4/2009 7:15:03 AM   
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I just read this thread, and it inspired my to write a journal entry about it.  Also pasted in my wants to here!

- I want my Domme to know myself better than I do.
- I want to be exploited by that for Her pleasure.
- I want the pit of my gut to be craving and desiring for more.
- I want to be valued, thought about and loved in proportion to how much I give of myself.
- I want my trauma to be felt and enjoyed by myself and my Domme.
- I want to feel electricity, emotion and connectedness.
- I want to be free of my consciousness, and serve with my subconscious.
- I want to feel like my vulnerbility and suffering speak to my Domme on a higher level.
- I want to feel contrast, push/pull.
- I want painful life experiences to be re-experienced through an intense but safe filter.
- I want to feel cathartic.
- I want to not have anything left to give.
- I want perfection for my Domme.
- I want to be able to be an emotional masochist and pushed by someone I trust.
- I want to have meaning
- I want to feel like all of this is a rewarding experience.
- I want to be able to breathe and live when not in BDSM mode.
- I want to scream and feel it intensify when I feel You thriving on it.

I'm very new to BDSM (in practice) and it's helped me understand myself on a deeper level, thank you all!  In saying that I am still confused about how this fits into the dynamic, is it a literal thing you can tick off, or is it more an underlying thing that as experiences go by, you realise these things have or have not occurred and your happiness/feelings will reflect that.


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RE: listing my wants - 9/4/2009 9:58:21 AM   
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I have never made a list of wants, but I have made a list of needs an periodically take it out and look it over revamping it as needed. To me wants are like having a cell phone, a luxurty where my needs are just that.

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RE: listing my wants - 9/4/2009 10:16:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

You know you can shorted most of that list down to four words lally.... "someone I can trust" ..... Rather a prerequisit for what most folks are looking for.


well said...

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For the original post: The way I see it, you hold your own future. There's not need to look into other people's eyes to see it. If you can't see your future, how could other provide it for you?! You're a submissive, but above that, you're a human being. It's nice to be selfless, but remember you can't give what you don't have. If you want to give yourself to another person, you need to have a "self" first.

Edit to add:

Well... reading through some of the posts... i was shocked how many people never thought about what they want. what, you want your dom to be mind readers or something? I'm sorry, but this is consensual BDSM, not slavery in it's historical context. Everyone in the relationship needs to be fulfilled and happy. That means, you need to communicate with your dom openly and clearly about what you want for it, yes not just what you need, but also what you want. Getting basic needs met won't make one happy in the long run. Of course, eventually it is up to your dom whether to grant your wish or not, but you need to let him know.

you need to know yourself. IMHO, "I know you more than you know yourself" is the biggest lie in the world, no...the biggest lie in the world is actually "i love you forever". but the above line come pretty close. Know yourself, what you need, what you want, sometimes it doesn't need to be verbal or written down, but deep down you need to know, to be aware of yourself. After all it is your body, your life, your future. No matter how devoted you're, your master can't breath for you, he can't move the arms or walk for you. You need to do all these things, that makes you a separate individual, whether you like it or not.

If it's too hard to comprehend, see it this way: make the list, it'll help you serve him better.

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