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RE: listing my wants - 9/5/2009 11:55:03 AM   
dreamerdreaming


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Fast reply:

What jumps out at me about your OP is that "to love and be loved" isn't on your list.

And yet, a lot of the stuff that is on your list can be seen as qualities of love.

Once bitten, twice shy, OP?

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RE: listing my wants - 9/5/2009 4:58:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dreamerdreaming

Fast reply:

What jumps out at me about your OP is that "to love and be loved" isn't on your list.

And yet, a lot of the stuff that is on your list can be seen as qualities of love.

Once bitten, twice shy, OP?


something like that,

but now youve mentioned it, i realise thats probably a bigee for me.  not sure how to put it down as a want though.

umm.....

*  i want my M to teach me how to accept love as just another way to express deeper emotions.

oddly i can do this when the love is unconditional, like with my son and my animals, i find it much much harder with everyone else and i know that love is an important emotion for Him.  thanks for pointing this one out. xx

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RE: listing my wants - 9/5/2009 5:01:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SilentSpark

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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

You know you can shorted most of that list down to four words lally.... "someone I can trust" ..... Rather a prerequisit for what most folks are looking for.


well said...

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For the original post: The way I see it, you hold your own future. There's not need to look into other people's eyes to see it. If you can't see your future, how could other provide it for you?! You're a submissive, but above that, you're a human being. It's nice to be selfless, but remember you can't give what you don't have. If you want to give yourself to another person, you need to have a "self" first.

Edit to add:

Well... reading through some of the posts... i was shocked how many people never thought about what they want. what, you want your dom to be mind readers or something? I'm sorry, but this is consensual BDSM, not slavery in it's historical context. Everyone in the relationship needs to be fulfilled and happy. That means, you need to communicate with your dom openly and clearly about what you want for it, yes not just what you need, but also what you want. Getting basic needs met won't make one happy in the long run. Of course, eventually it is up to your dom whether to grant your wish or not, but you need to let him know.

you need to know yourself. IMHO, "I know you more than you know yourself" is the biggest lie in the world, no...the biggest lie in the world is actually "i love you forever". but the above line come pretty close. Know yourself, what you need, what you want, sometimes it doesn't need to be verbal or written down, but deep down you need to know, to be aware of yourself. After all it is your body, your life, your future. No matter how devoted you're, your master can't breath for you, he can't move the arms or walk for you. You need to do all these things, that makes you a separate individual, whether you like it or not.

If it's too hard to comprehend, see it this way: make the list, it'll help you serve him better.


thank you for putting this better than i could - brilliantly put.  xx

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RE: listing my wants - 9/5/2009 5:09:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: curiousheart

I just read this thread, and it inspired my to write a journal entry about it.  Also pasted in my wants to here!

- I want my Domme to know myself better than I do.
- I want to be exploited by that for Her pleasure.
- I want the pit of my gut to be craving and desiring for more.
- I want to be valued, thought about and loved in proportion to how much I give of myself.
- I want my trauma to be felt and enjoyed by myself and my Domme.
- I want to feel electricity, emotion and connectedness.
- I want to be free of my consciousness, and serve with my subconscious.
- I want to feel like my vulnerbility and suffering speak to my Domme on a higher level.
- I want to feel contrast, push/pull.
- I want painful life experiences to be re-experienced through an intense but safe filter.
- I want to feel cathartic.
- I want to not have anything left to give.
- I want perfection for my Domme.
- I want to be able to be an emotional masochist and pushed by someone I trust.
- I want to have meaning
- I want to feel like all of this is a rewarding experience.
- I want to be able to breathe and live when not in BDSM mode.
- I want to scream and feel it intensify when I feel You thriving on it.

I'm very new to BDSM (in practice) and it's helped me understand myself on a deeper level, thank you all!  In saying that I am still confused about how this fits into the dynamic, is it a literal thing you can tick off, or is it more an underlying thing that as experiences go by, you realise these things have or have not occurred and your happiness/feelings will reflect that.



hey there curiousheart - id look upon it as a guide to youreself and a reminder of what you hope to find and feel and experience and share.  in doing that, IMO you have a much greater chance of finding someone as close to youre personality and Hers to youres.  its possible to go off the rails a bit and go whooping in and forget that you have wants and needs too.

i wouldnt use it as an opening email to a prospective D, but if She asks you what you want, need, hope for, you can hit Her with it then.

< Message edited by lally2 -- 9/5/2009 5:11:52 PM >

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RE: listing my wants - 9/6/2009 9:55:28 PM   
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In all of what I say below, I speak first and foremost from my own understanding of myself when my personality-character was submissive - for most of my adult life. However, I suspect that the underlying dynamics may be similar for many others who have strong yearnings to be submissive.

Perhaps there is an entirely "pure" form of submission that is completely outside of or beyond anything I have experienced and which involves none of what I describe below.

One of the great joys of submission for some of us, is not having to admit even to oneself,  to wanting and needing things and yet still have someone attending to those things for us. In exchange, we give, we serve, we obey...

Perhaps one of the core elements underlying being submissive for some people is that for whatever reasons, (childhood, religious training etc) there is a fundamental discomfort with having needs in the first place. (I noticed in this thread for example, that quite a few submissives posting found it difficult to even begin to think about their needs and wants).  One may not even be aware of the discomfort I am talking about, because it operates at an automatic level and has been a life-long pattern. Such a person may feel (may have been taught or trained to feel) that it is selfish or greedy or wrong to want things. They may feel guilt or shame even if they merely become aware that they want or desire something; and even more so if they express their desires or needs. They may feel undeserving at a deep level, of having needs or of having them met.   It is easy to imagine how one could come to feel a need to be punished, or feel some need to have to "pay a price" (metaphorically) before experiencing pleasure. Guilt and shame create anxiety that can be released or expunged by sexual orgasm; which may be why sexual release is very often involved towards the end of a "session" or "scene" or long afternoon with one's Dom.

In not having to think about, express or take action in relation to one's needs one avoids those uncomfortable feelings (selfish, greedy, being undeserving, guilt). In taking punishments or enduring prolonged delays of pleasure, or having to do any kind of service one atones or pays the price of their pleasure in advance. It certainly worked that way for me.

--Ms Priscilla Anne



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RE: listing my wants - 10/17/2009 4:26:11 PM   
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you want to feel in place

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RE: listing my wants - 10/17/2009 7:02:32 PM   
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I have not thought about what I want in a very long time. I can honestly say that I do not think that I have individual wants anymore....I want to make him happy. I want his wants to be my wants.....I want his wants to be my needs..... My wants are all about his.

Wow, I have changed over the last ten years being owned by him. In my journal, I have a list of things I wanted back then... and they all seem so trivial now to me.

I want him. I want to please him. I want to want what he wants. Nothing more, nothing less.
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