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ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

Lilly as I said, stop trying to focus on point scoring bullshit against Malkinius and actualy look at the actual issue.

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Reply to no one in particular-
As I read this thread, it seems to become more and more a rabbinical debate about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-

So lets sidestep the word games and long winded philosophical theory, and cut to the chase-
For the side that vehemently argues that there can be "no limits" at all- ok, so lets say you find such a creature who says she has none- what exactlywould you want to do to her that a more limited slave would balk at?

I mean seriously- given that there are plenty of girls who would be thrilled to have a man shit on their face, who would love to be beaten, whipped, raped, whored out, and would orgasm at the thought of being branded....what else do you have in mind?
Or is it just the mind game of "I COULD cut her head off.....but I don't want to" or "I have TOTAL power over the remote- she has to watch Walker Texas Ranger anytime I say...Muwah ha ha ha!"
For the other side- so even if you have limits that are safe and sane- why is it important then that you claim the word "Total Power Exchange"? Why is it offensive to suggest you are a submissive instead of a slave?

I have stated on other threads that our use of words in BDSM is part of the kink- that calling yourself a "slave", having a "slave contract" and a "slave registration number" are part of what excites and thrills the participants, even if the the slavery is voluntary, contract is legally invalid and the registration number is meaningless; just describing the relationship in those terms is arousing and erotic.
This often angers and upsets people, who assume I am saying it is all a game or fantasy- nothing could be further from the truth. What we create in our minds is real, the same way that a dollar only has value because we believe it to be so- and yet the entire world economy depends on this belief. If you truly believe you are enslaved, you are. If you truly feel powerless, you are.

So if two people enter a relationship and mutually agree that there is a control and submission, and one does everything that the other wishes, it seems silly to argue whether or not it is "total" based on theoretical possibilities that neither one wants to do anyway.