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ORIGINAL: GoddessImaginos

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Torture happens, it's a reality.  In fact, in ugly circumstances, it's a necessity.  If I felt it was necessary to protecting me and mine, I would give great thought to how to cause extreme pain to another while keeping them alive and attempting to acquisition the information I desired and carry forth with that.  Seriously.  I mean, what's the quandry: either we have balls enough to protect ourselves or not.  If there's damage and death to be done, I want someone other than me and my loved ones taking the damage and/or doing the dying. 
Davan
(Who has been accused of being overly optimistic and utopian but is absolutely dead serious about protecting Her and Hers)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: GoddessImaginos

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

Torture happens, it's a reality.  In fact, in ugly circumstances, it's a necessity.  If I felt it was necessary to protecting me and mine, I would give great thought to how to cause extreme pain to another while keeping them alive and attempting to acquisition the information I desired and carry forth with that.  Seriously.  I mean, what's the quandry: either we have balls enough to protect ourselves or not.  If there's damage and death to be done, I want someone other than me and my loved ones taking the damage and/or doing the dying. 
Davan
(Who has been accused of being overly optimistic and utopian but is absolutely dead serious about protecting Her and Hers)

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Having the balls to protect yourself has nothing to do with accepting torture, Its either illegal or its not. I am suprised some of you just dont get it.

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

You mention the battlefield, Polite, so I know you understand what I'm referring to.  I'm not so sure how we are getting from this to gun ownership issues, but I don't think the 2nd is a suicide pact either. 

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ORIGINAL: GoddessImaginos

Hmm; as though whether or not something is or is not 'legal' is a surefire mark of whether it is right or wrong..
"The law is an ass, an idiot.." ~ Mark Twain

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

I've sent the lawyers off to thread the needles with camels on the slippery slopes, Polite.  What exactly were you looking for? 

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I just hope we ( the US and UK ) dont let our standards drop Rich. That, in some ways, would make us the losers.