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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 9:57:46 AM   
IrishMist


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Well I don't even see it as 'compromise', I see it as simply being realistic. It is My decision, she is My property and if it isn't to My detriment but it improves her life then why wouldn't I? If there is a down side to Me then that has to be weighed against the upside to her and to the relationship, how that looks to Me will determine which decision I make.

The one thing applicable to My situation which is not the case in many others, others with a lower level dynamic. Is there is no compromise where it comes to the amount of control, if she needs to retain control over any part of her life then she isn't compatible with Me. Quite a different issue than if she will have a career or not, just whether the girl calls the shots or I do... even if We make the same end decision.

As for slamming you... damn that overgrown duckpond being in the way 


I think that you are not quite understanding what I am saying...or better yet, I am not saying it right.

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Well I don't even see it as 'compromise', I see it as simply being realistic. It is My decision, she is My property and if it isn't to My detriment but it improves her life then why wouldn't I?

I am not referring to the small things that make life 'realistic'...the things that most would see as being necessary. I am referring to things that are more 'set in stone' than anything else.

The best example that I could give would be this:

I go into a relationship with one hard limit...a limit that I refuse to let ANYONE, EVER, cross or attempt to change. You come along, and this one limit of mine is the one thing that you have always said you would never compromise on. It's something that YOU want. BUT it's something that I can't give you.
You weigh it, you discuss it, and in the end, YOU decide that relationship is more important than that ONE thing that you had previously said you had to have. You decide to compromise. You discuss it with me, I weigh it, and I decide that I want this relationship to work. So, I compromise also and agree with what you have proposed.

That is what I am trying to shed light on.

I don't see the OP as being able to compromise to that degree.

edited to add:

I really hope that I am reading the OP wrong.

< Message edited by IrishMist -- 9/8/2009 9:59:31 AM >


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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 10:01:49 AM   
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As for slamming you... damn that overgrown duckpond being in the way




LOL not sure if I should be thankful or regretful for that pond



I have such a dirty fucking mind

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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 10:16:07 AM   
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OK lets try and clarify this. When My girl came to Me she had a great terror of singletails (Caused by a fuckwit from her past)... now she COULDN'T have pushed past that and had a session with the singletail, there isn't any way she could have just faced the fear, it was abject terror. Many 'subs' out there would have kept control of that, declaired it a 'hard limit' and the Dom would have had to take it or leave it.

My girl had an attitude which I find compatable, she told Me the details, gave Me the info but trusted in Me being realistic. I have slowly worked on the problem over the last two years, We can now play lightly with a singletail without her freaking.... I used My control to address and rectify the problem. No compromise, just realism and the control/Authority being Mine, not being horsetraided item by item with the girl.

If the pond wasn't in the way I'm sure I could get you thankful and regretful of that fact, both at the same time Dontcha just love a Sadistic bastard


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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 10:44:19 AM   
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Silentspark,

I took the liberty of reading your profile, where you mention that you are financially secure. As much as anybody will understand that you will take care of your parents, It will be a tough sell to explain to your significant other that you have to relocate and therefore he moves with you or...

You seems to be a very ebulliant person, which is lovely, but you may want to consider waiting a bit before going in a steady relationship.

Alternatively, you should look for an airline pilot.

Be seing you

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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 1:27:03 PM   
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well, thank you for all the replies~

1, as I explained before submission is something very private for me, and I don't want to broadcast it online about what I will do for my future partner. And I understand that might give people the impression that I asked for a lot but give nothing in return. I have no intention to correct such impression though.

2, As for compromise, well, my passion is with design. But I AM prepared to stay home and freelance full time if situation requires, and with the right person. I love drawing, that's the core of my passion, that's something I won't compromise no matter what. If there's a dom asking me not to draw, then the only thing I can say is: Good bye and good luck. That's the bottom line no one can cross, if I'm not drawing, I'm dead. it's that simple. As long as I'm allowed to draw something everyday, post my work and communicate with my artists friends, and freelance, I am willing to compromise for the RIGHT person.

It has nothing to do with submission really, it still, has everything to do with supporting your partner when he needed the most. If a sub is forced into giving up something she's really passionate about, instead of willingly give up, I don't think she'd be happy in such relationship. If it is "willingly giving up", then it is not really control, is it?

So for the situation some people described, say my dream company in Boston ask me to work for them, and that conflict with my partner's work or family needs, and there's no way we can reach a compromise that makes everyone happy. My answer to that question is, as long as we're financially secured, I'm willing to make that compromise and stay home or find a local job. But the key word is "THE RIGHT PERSON". I'm not going to make that kind of compromise just for everyone.

3, Personally, I don't believe in TPE. I don't believe that such thing exist in modern consensual DS relationship, even if there is, I certainly can't see myself in it. I believe in choice. every step of the way, you make choices to obey or disobey. the choice always lays with sub (with everyone for that matter). And eventually, it's not the dom who'd take responsibility for the sub, but the sub herself. I take responsibility for my action, that's why I can not rely on other people to make that decision for me. He can make a decision, and I can agree or disagree, obey or disobey. Submission means, I choose to obey. Control is but an illusion of choice. That's the fundamental difference I had with this lifestyle that drove me away 2 years ago. So those of you who believe you're the "true slave" or whatever, please do wake up, you control your own body, your own action, and choices.

Slavery in its true historical context needs a lot more than just a dom and a willing sub to fulfill. One example, if a slave runs away back in 18th century, his master can capture him and kill him on the spot ( although it would be sort of a waste of money...), if a "slave" are not happy now, she whines online, she talks to her master, she goes to support group, she make compromise, her master make compromise... if things doesn't work out, she removes her collar and say good bye. If her master end up killing her on the spot, he probably would end up in jail. That's the difference.

This is 21 century and we're practicing consensual DS in real life. So there'll be times when dom and sub have to sit together as equal and discuss life problems. DS is a lifestyle, sure, but I don't see the point in pretending that subs "don't have a choice but to obey" and make it sound like "this is a true slave supposed to be".

So for me, I always have option, I always have choice. with the career, it boils down to "what is more important for me, my career or my relationship, what will give me most happiness and fulfillment? my career or my relationship" I want to be happy, if career makes me happy, i'll go take that position in Boston; If being with my partner makes me happy, then I'll stay. see here, I don't really think like the usual sub, obey or disobey, what will make my master happy, what will pleases him more~ LOL no... I think like an independent individual, and I'll always think like that.

So i guess for my life, I don't see why I need to give up that control to anyone, simply because the same way I can't give my arm to anyone or no one can breath for me, it always lays with me. Control is always mine.

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and I know, people will come and say "you're not a sub, you don't understand what is true submission" or something like that. LOL~ go ahead.


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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 2:56:46 PM   
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quote:

But I AM prepared to stay home and freelance full time if situation requires, and with the right person

SilentSpark; thankyou.

I WAS reading you wrong. I am glad about that and apologize for the wrong conclusion that I came to.



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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 3:10:32 PM   
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the right one for you can inspire you to do things you'd never do for another. i can honestly admit as much as i love my career i'd be willing to embrace a different lifestyle with the right man. which would entail working from home, living in a different location, hell even a family. it is all about priorities.

you have to step back and look at the big picture and ask yourself some difficult questions. for me it is a question of love and my willingness to make compromises and sacrifices for a greater goal which is not only mine but his as well. i find some will compel you to color outside those not so rigid lines more than others can. best of luck.

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RE: Ego, career and being a sub - 9/8/2009 4:29:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

I WAS reading you wrong. I am glad about that and apologize for the wrong conclusion that I came to.




There's no need for apology~ I know your comment came from a good heart, and we're talking about the same concept after all~

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Porcelaine, I understand what you mean, with the right person, one's perspective might change considerably. I remember how I was, when fall in love with someone. Career, life, nothing matters as long as he's happy. At the time, I was ready to give up everything for him. Something I used to hold high doesn't matter that much anymore.

I can't speak for tomorrow, and people constantly change.

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