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ORIGINAL: Arpig

Jeez pahunk, letting your latent racism out for to play today much?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

what?

no spins?

no twists?

no cries of "liar" "socialist" "Destroyer of our way of life'?

i feel so... let down

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

If you believe that is what partisan bullshit is, and it is representative of what many think, then that is likely the problem.

Hard to imagine the founders of this country going "neener, neener, neener ".

You really should study the 1800 election before making such claims.

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

my kid did not suddenly come home spouting communist or Nazi dogma. Maybe he didn't listen.......

(edited so you would be able to tell that the above is frakkin sarcasm)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.whitehouse.gov/MediaResources/PreparedSchoolRemarks/

Its just plain amazing what some people will try, huh

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Read the second article, Spinner. Obama is planning a broadcast to every student in American public schools next week, and is having to backpedal away from the original plan.

I'm taking mine to a cultural center / museum that day...

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

Seriously starting to doubt that the President has intelligent people working for him. If nobody thought that speaking to elementary school children wouldn't generate historical comparisons and cries of indoctrination they are the disconnected intellectual elitists they've been commonly accused of being.

What's the over/under for a right wing call for a national boycott of school that day?

Someone is going to use this for political hay.

Very strange.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Maybe im mistaken... but... havent other Presidents also addressed school children?

Broadcasting to all of them while in school? No.
However, a Chancellor or two may have done it in the past.

Sorrry - REALLY a cheap shot, but WOW! nothing better on the 'to do' list for this Administration?

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As the current administration concentrates on yet another way to reach yet another captive audience, the mainstream media has largely ignored the proposed September 8th speech. The teaching plans that accompanied the letter from the Secretary raised suspicions from conservatives alerted to the intention of the administration. The teaching plans include such “thinking exercises” as asking “What is the president asking me to do?” and suggesting that the teachers build background knowledge (one suggestion given in the teaching plan is to read books about Barack Obama.). Some think this type of influence on our children is nothing short of propaganda.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Try again, Spinner - I posted the following in the OP - this is the subject of the thread:

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White House Withdraws Call for Students to 'Help' Obama

Obama's plan to inspire the nation's schoolchildren with a video address next week erupted into controversy.

The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, rewriting its suggestions to teachers for student assignments on how to "help the president,"

The Washington Times reported Thursday that presidential aides acknowledged they helped the U.S. Education Department write the suggested assignments, which stirred criticism by many who say Obama is trying to indoctrinate the education system.

White House aides said the language was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths, but its unintended consequences were evident.

Among the activities initially suggested for pre-K to 6th grade students was to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

Compare that to your spin, where you try to cut everything out that isn't flattering to the president:

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"A White House spokesman released this statement: "The President will speak directly to students around the country about the value of education and the importance of staying in school as part of his effort to dramatically cut the dropout rate. It's not a policy speech."

But that was a lot better than your first try, I have to admit.

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What's wrong with it?

Take Barack Obama's naked partisanship, combine it with how his handlers made it appear (even if it wasn't true) that this was an attempted indoctrination of the nation's school children, add the fact that he still refuses to release the text of the speech he intends to give, and I think that most reasonable people, the non-Obama apologists, will readily admit that this is just one more passage in the unfunny comedy of errors that is the Obama administration.

Half the kids in America are going to stay home that day! And these fools, these clowns in the White House, can't see this coming?

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A speech by President Obama has prompted accusations of "indoctrinating" America's youth and calls for "transparency" -- nearly a week before it is scheduled to be delivered to the nation's school children.

The U.S. Department of Education last week announced plans for the president to speak "directly to the nation's school children about persisting and succeeding in school" -- as Secretary Arne Duncan wrote in an email letter sent to principals at more than 100,000 schools.

The 15- to 20-minute address is scheduled for Sept. 8, the first day of school for many districts, at Wakefield High School in Arlington, Va., and will be broadcast over the Internet, on C-SPAN and via satellite for access by local broadcast outlets and school districts.

But the plan has encountered resistance this week, most notably in a statement from Jim Greer, chairman of the Florida Republican party:

"As the father of four children, I am absolutely appalled that taxpayer dollars are being used to spread President Obama's socialist ideology," the letter began. "The idea that school children across our nation will be forced to watch the President justify his plans for government-run health care, banks, and automobile companies, increasing taxes on those who create jobs, and racking up more debt than any other President, is not only infuriating, but goes against beliefs of the majority of Americans, while bypassing American parents through an invasive abuse of power."

As the statement drew attention from blogs and cable TV news shows, some conservative sites began calling for a "National Skip Day" on Sept. 8th to prevent children from being exposed to "Obama propaganda."

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With all the accusations that Obama encourages a cult of personality this was really bone-headed, the White House admitted as much. And so to complain now because Republicans objected to the proposed lesson plans which were originally to have accompanied the presidents speech shows either that you are misinformed concerning the nature of the controversy or that you just aren't being honest.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

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The complaint was that the the Department of Education encouraged teachers to ask younger students to write a letter to themselves on "how to help the president" and to ask older students "What is President Obama inspiring you to do?" (which is a leading question, suggesting that the president is an 'inspirational' figure).

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With all the accusations that Obama encourages a cult of personality this was really bone-headed, the White House admitted as much. And so to complain now because Republicans objected to the proposed lesson plans which were originally to have accompanied the presidents speech shows either that you are misinformed concerning the nature of the controversy or that you just aren't being honest.

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One other thing - the speech wasn't posted on the White House web site until well after the controversy hit, the Monday just before the Tuesday speech in fact, so there is no way of knowing how any original speech might have read, or how much it might have changed due to the objections.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

The complaint was that the the Department of Education encouraged teachers to ask  younger students to write a letter to themselves on "how to help the president" and to ask older students  "What is President Obama inspiring you to do?" (which is a leading question, suggesting that the president is an 'inspirational' figure).

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
You are correct,there is no way of knowing if it was changed...note I said IF...just as there is no way of knowing how much it was changed,there is no way of knowing that it was changed at all. So far all we have is your word for it that it was changed...as usual your word but no evidence or actual proof.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig
You are becoming tiresome Sanity, I have advised you in the past to stick to things that Obama has actually done (there are plenty of things to complain about...check out most of Merc's posts on the subject..or even Panda's) rather than ranting about non-issues...things that never happened.

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Actually what I begin to find tiresome is someone from the left stating that things are coming from your own imagination and then, when you prove to them that that they are not...they just don't answer.

 

Arpig, you claimed that my statements came from my own head and you did not remember any such response from the left.  When I brought the proof to the thread, you just ignored it.  Does that make it go away?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

And the very same left-wing people who denounced it an d decried the political process being carried to the kiddies are the same ones who now see no problem with the president of their choosing going into the classroom. Where IS Dick Gebhart anyway? Or is he still living back in his "glory days" when he called for an investigation into the shocking sum of $ 26, 000 spent to broadcast the first Bush's speech to the kids? Where ARE all those lefties so up in arms over a President going to the kids? Where ARE all those teacher's union members decrying the intrusion into the classroom?

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ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

And the very same left-wing people who denounced it an d decried the political process being carried to the kiddies are the same ones who now see no problem with the president of their choosing going into the classroom. Where IS Dick Gebhart anyway? Or is he still living back in his "glory days" when he called for an investigation into the shocking sum of $ 26, 000 spent to broadcast the first Bush's speech to the kids? Where ARE all those lefties so up in arms over a President going to the kids? Where ARE all those teacher's union members decrying the intrusion into the classroom?

To answer your question, CD, all us "lefties" had a meeting over borcht and baklava and decided to let some "righty" idiots take over the yelling and decrying and look like assholes for a while.

When is this "you started it first" nonsense ever going to end? The fact is that the party in power has always used that to it's advantage over the party out of power. The party out of power has always bitched about it until they manage to get into power. I'd call it a circle jerk but at least a circle jerk eventually comes to a happy ending.

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To answer your question, Spinner...perhaps all the "you started it first" nonsense will end when people stop being righteous and stop acting as if it is somehow "traitorous" or even just wrong for the right to attack anything done by Obama. It has allllllllll been done before, by the left and by the right but it seems as if whichever party is in power wants to act as if they have not done anything in the wrong ever. Right now, the left is in power. Each time the right criticizes, the left wants to act as if they've never done the same thing. I call bullshit on that. Just as I would if the right were in power, the left were to criticize and the right were to act as they had never done so. All I will have to do is refer back to "these days" when the right is certainly being vocal in their criticism. ORIGINAL: CreativeDominant

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

... and our son didn't suddenly wish to become a drop-out because he didn't see it.. so I guess it is all relative.

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ORIGINAL: Irishknight

my kid did not suddenly come home spouting communist or Nazi dogma. Maybe he didn't listen.......

(edited so you would be able to tell that the above is frakkin sarcasm)

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My kid just got bored by the president and got punched by his friend who found out that he likes her sister. Maybe I can sue Obama for my kid getting punched. If he hadn't been giving the speech that my kid was not listening to then he would not have let slip to his friend that he likes her sister and the resulting punch would never have happened. hmmmm.... ORIGINAL: Irishknight