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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 8:31:04 AM   
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LOL.... Some of you are amazing. Nice little spin on how to refocus the conversation from the fact that ACORN is a corrupt organization.

Did I not say to Sanity, that my numbers could be wrong, did I not repeat that in my response to SOT ? Not only that they could be wrong, that after further reading I have no flipping idea the dollar amount ?



If I haven't been clear :

I PROBABLY AM WRONG IN HOW MUCH IN TAX DOLLARS THEY RECIEVE.
 
Again, I ask, do you have anything of substance to add to the actual topic ?  This is my last respone to millions vs billions. My Dad  always told me not to get into pissing contests with skunks. I will be happy to discuss the topic, however.

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Well then maybe you can clarify the topic for me.

Do you want to discuss Acorn or do you want to use Acorn to claim the Democratic Party is corrupt?

If it's the former then you have only yourself to blame for sending your thread off into an unintended direction.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 8:55:31 AM   
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Tip :
The topic is usually in the title of the thread : ACORN, Pimps and Ho's.

snip:
So " refreshing " to see my tax dollars and stimulis money hard at work........
8 Billion to ACORN to advise people on how to break Federal Law.

Let me disect:

Sentence #1- Subject: my tax dollars
                     Predicate: see


Sentence #2-Subject: ACORN,
                   Predicate: break <Federal Law>

http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/writcent/hypergrammar/subjpred.html

Every complete sentence contains two parts: a subject and a predicate. The subject is what (or whom) the sentence is about, while the predicate tells something about the subject. In the following sentences, the predicate is enclosed in braces ({}), while the subject is highlighted.

I hope that is helpful in helping you figure out what the topic of the thread is.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 9:06:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

So " refreshing " to see my tax dollars and stimulis money hard at work........
8 Billion to ACORN to advise people on how to break Federal Law.

                             mbmbn

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hA9b96qgu9MG_331xFUGcYvhOcLAD9AKO0I80




Refresher.... your opening post.

The topic was Acorn and 8 Billion dollars.

Half that was wrong.

That is the point.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 9:21:34 AM   
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Tazzy, I guess that's where the problem is. The topic was ACORN, and corruption. From my intent and POV.
I should have just said " my tax dollars", but stupid me used an inaccurate source for how much money they recieve.

I guess it boils down to this:
It could be $10,000 dollars of tax money, I would be just as outraged at the corruption. They deserve not a penny. I'm waiting to see if any action is taken to " unfund" them and or to see what, if any criminal charges will be brought to the corrupt workers and also if there will be a real investigation into the organization. I am cautiously optimistic that an investigation will be coming along soon.

                     mbmbn

And, yes I saw your first post, and the one in which I said "some of you are amazing" was not in refernce to you, but to Rule and SoT

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 9:26:21 AM   
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An organization is only as good as those people who perform the duties of that organization. The question now stands is this....

Those who are breaking the rules... did they act alone and is this problem at the bottom? or did they act as instructed and the problem is at the top?

As far as the voter regristration things, its mixed from the sources i can find. Some were accurate, some were false.

And it seems many are pulling out of their "money" pool.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 9:31:36 AM   
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This is one of the groups that our esteemed leader, Obama, cut his teeth with as a 'community organizer'. He or the other democrats will do nothing to end funding to this group of con artists and crooks. 2 got fired, thousands still remain on the federal dole.


Did you make the same partisan comment towards Bush?

House GOP leader asks Bush to cut off ACORN funds
Jim Abrams

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 9:34:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

Tip :
The topic is usually in the title of the thread : ACORN, Pimps and Ho's.

snip:
So " refreshing " to see my tax dollars and stimulis money hard at work........
8 Billion to ACORN to advise people on how to break Federal Law.

Let me disect:

Sentence #1- Subject: my tax dollars
                    Predicate: see


Sentence #2-Subject: ACORN,
                  Predicate: break <Federal Law>

http://www.uottawa.ca/academic/arts/writcent/hypergrammar/subjpred.html

Every complete sentence contains two parts: a subject and a predicate. The subject is what (or whom) the sentence is about, while the predicate tells something about the subject. In the following sentences, the predicate is enclosed in braces ({}), while the subject is highlighted.

I hope that is helpful in helping you figure out what the topic of the thread is.

                                                  mbmbn



No.............not so much.

Because you still have not, despite my repeated requests, shown me when and where Acorn has received federal funding.

And since it is your topic, I think that is a reasonable request.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 10:05:52 AM   
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So is the 31 million dollar figure that is being mentioned on several sites inaccurate? Does ACORN receive any Federal money, including grants? I tried to research it and only sites that state the figure, but never say where the information was collected.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 11:00:50 AM   
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So is the 31 million dollar figure that is being mentioned on several sites inaccurate? Does ACORN receive any Federal money, including grants? I tried to research it and only sites that state the figure, but never say where the information was collected.


Yeah, pretty odd huh?

From Acorn's website:

ACORN: Federal Funding


ACORN And Federal Funding


Does ACORN Recieve Federal Funding?
The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now does not apply for nor does it receive any federal grants.

ACORN has had contracts with other nonprofit organizations to perform work on projects which received federal grant support. For example, ACORN has received contracts to:
  • Identify families eligible to receive food stamps and assist them to apply.
  • Identify homeowners facing foreclosure and deliver them for housing counseling and loss mitigation services.
  • Provide lead paint remediation services to households with children living in older neighborhoods.
The contracts that ACORN receives on these projects are for delivering specific activities, all of which are tax-exempt qualified in accordance with federal grant guidelines. No payments are received until work product has been delivered.

None of ACORN's contracts to perform work on projects receiving federal grant money has provided funding for voter registration.


The point being, while there are obvious problems in the organization, this is not some Democratic-controlled conspiracy. 

If tax dollars do find their way to Acorn it has to not only go through a government accounting process but also through the accounting processes of the organizations that contract with Acorn.

Which is why I also keep asking the subject of the thread.

Because if we are going to claim that it's Democratic corruption bankrolling a corrupt organization I would have plenty to rebut that.

Or are we talking about a specific incident with two workers who were fired after the incident?









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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 11:34:01 AM   
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I am not sure what we are talking about, actually. When the amount came up, I decided to look into it, and found where a politician claimed his office has uncovered 31 million in aid since 1998. I found other sites that claimed the same thing, but they all refered back to the original claim with nothing I could find to support it. Now I have found where they have gotten funds from other places, and those other places got federal funding, but I have found nothing directly disbursed to them.

Now I do not like ACORN, but that is a personal experience where I signed up to assist with what was supposed to have been a non-partisan voter enrollment prgram. We were supposed to go around to people in certain neighborhoods and directly give them information on how to register to vote. The person in charge of my group was a very devoted Democrat supporter and had additional hand bills for Democrat polticians that she wanted us to give as well. When I declined it started an argument that I just walked away from, and left.

Now besides that, everything else is just what I have read in the media, with there being two angles, one from the right and the other from the left. So I figured it was likely a big distraction to pull my attention away from other things. I was bored though and decided to try and research the figures on Fed money to them and found zilch.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 11:46:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

I am not sure what we are talking about, actually.


Maybe you can try asking then.

You might have better luck.

The only response I had was a refresher lesson in basic sentence structure.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 12:26:36 PM   
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While I in no way condone nor underestimate the seriousness of these charges, let me quote the New York Examiner in the article they posted along with the video's in question:

"While the two videos are getting a tremendous amount of attention on Facebook and YouTube, it should be noted that the workers at other ACORN locations turned the couple away when they sought similar advice.  In other words, out of all the ACORN locations the filmmakers went to, only two offices had employees who gave such bad advice.  This could indicate that the problem is more localized with specific acts of stupidity, rather than being a nationwide problem within the organization."

This situation is greatly analogous to the first scandal that brought ACORN to national attention. In that situation, ACORN had engaged workers to register voters. Payment was made on a piecework basis, meaning that the more voter registrations a worker produced, the more money they made. A number of these workers took advantage of that by creating false registrations to turn in and be paid for. As I recall, the claims of some at that time were that this was part of a systemic and Machiavellian scheme to perpetrate a huge surge of voter fraud in the '08 election. Investigation showed that to be absolutely false.

Now, through clever editing, it is made to look as if Acorn, as an organization, condones or actively supports prostitution and child sex trafficking. As the above cited article demonstrates, this is not true. At the least, it brings up certain reasonable questions to be answered. How many ACORN offices were visited? How many Acorn workers refused to supply aid in this matter? The answer to these questions would go a long way towards answering the question of whether ACORN is a systemically unsound organization or whether this is a case of a couple of bad apples in the barrel.

Again, I am not excusing in any way the actions of these two women. What they did was a disgusting act. What I would like to see some interest in is finding out how widespread and deep this sort of thing goes. I would fully support an investigation that answered those questions becoming a requirement for any further government support of this organization.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 12:54:16 PM   
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It's five women spinner, in two cities and they were all clearly rehearsed in how to respond to those types of questions.

These women were trainned and they knew what they were doing and where to direct the consumers.

Which beggs the question...what other criminal enterprises have ACORN given legal and tax advice to?

A few question, I'd liked to see asked...

What was the severence package for the women let go by ACORN?
Did the recieve bonuses and if so how much?
Were the fired or did ACORN lay them off, how does the paper works read?
Will ACORN be providing thee woman with legal aid?

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 5:05:13 PM   
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It's five women spinner, in two cities and they were all clearly rehearsed in how to respond to those types of questions.

These women were trainned and they knew what they were doing and where to direct the consumers.

Which beggs the question...what other criminal enterprises have ACORN given legal and tax advice to?

A few question, I'd liked to see asked...

What was the severence package for the women let go by ACORN?
Did the recieve bonuses and if so how much?
Were the fired or did ACORN lay them off, how does the paper works read?
Will ACORN be providing thee woman with legal aid?
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Those are all good questions. And they re-enforce my original statement that a lot more information is needed before we can make a determination of whether this is a case of bad employees or bad organization. Let us not forget that these people were turned away from other offices of ACORN so it is obviously not a uniform policy to train and aid in such situations.

I'm just saying that we should find out the facts before rushing to a general judgment.


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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/12/2009 7:43:34 PM   
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I have a question. If they are not getting Federal funds, who is funding their nationwide operation ?

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/16/2009 8:09:50 AM   
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Video # 4 in the series, PIMPS AND HO'S IN CALIFORNIA, is now available on a web page near you.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550562,00.html

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/16/2009 8:58:17 AM   
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Because you still have not, despite my repeated requests, shown me when and where Acorn has received federal funding.


*shrugs*  If ACORN has not, does not, nor is in a position to receive federal funding, then I suppose it was a bit stupid for the US Senate to vote on S.Amdt. 2355  to H.R. 3288 prohibiting use of funds to fund the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), as well as others.

But I suppose you'll just argue that it was "pre-emptive" action. 

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/16/2009 4:33:56 PM   
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Personally, I'm going to wait to comment at all. Already, the admin of ACORN has filed charges against the filmmaker, his girlfriend, and FOX News, claiming entrapment. (i.e. they broke the law by presenting themselves under false pretense, with the intent to gather damaging information.) They went to the low paid underlings, and didn't try to see if any of what they were being told was "official" policy of the organization.

So, congrats conservative freakshow! You've proven nothing, but you have managed to give ACORN (a real grass roots org set up to help people at the bottom, a black eye.)
So you had to break the law, and eschew ethics to get some paper shufflers fired. Too bad this "hard hitting reporter" didn't try to confront the higher ups over what had happened. That MIGHT have qualified as journalisim.

So let's see... ACORN has some serious problems in recruiting quality people at the bottom...

BLACKWATER was recruited because they were christian fundamentalists who wanted to kill members of another religion, and are up on charges of murder, corruption, REAL postitution, and drug running.

HALLIBURTON: walked off with a minimum of 380 BILLION (yes, with a "b," roughly half of what the current HCR bill will cost, and we got jack shit in return... they just sort of "misplaced" the funds. Whoopsie!

So I dunno... I'm just not impressed with a couple of kids who play Halloween dress up, commit fraud, and then go running to the GOP fringe with the results. (shrug) Small potatoes to attempting to gut the US Constitution.

They'll fire a few people, monitor their people on the ground more closely (costing more money which won't be going to the people who desperately neeed help instead) and in the end, they'll jut keep going... because they need to.

Because the people on the bottom sure as hell aren't going to get any help from the fucking rat bastards in the GOP.

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/16/2009 9:55:50 PM   
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I have a question. If they are not getting Federal funds, who is funding their nationwide operation ?


"Right now a woman named Bertha Louis is in charge, she's out of New York City. How does ACORN get money? Congressman John Boehner says ACORN affiliates in just eleven states have received, are you ready, more than $31 million in taxpayer money. At least $11 million last year alone.” Oh, well, right-wing Boehner, otherwise known as “Mr. No.” – a real credible Fair and Balanced source there. Getting a little tired of this, O'Reilly, doing all your research for you. But what is true – and unreported by O'Reilly – is that most of those funds went to ACORN Housing Corporation, an arm of ACORN that helps first-time home buyers and offers foreclosure prevention counseling. ACORN Housing is one of many HUD certified housing counselors eligible to receive funds from the housing bill signed into law by Bush in July 2008. I mean, while you're so busy quoting Boehner, you might have mentioned the fact of the HUD money that ACORN Housing Corporation received (and which Boehner strenuously objected to) . . . over $31 million, to be exact.

“Also, a variety of ACORN affiliates like the American Institute for Social Justice give money directly to the parent organization. Social Justice, for example, has given ACORN more than $7 million in grants. The far left SEIU, the service workers' union, pays ACORN on a regular basis. Recently ACORN mounted a campaign against Wal-Mart, the SEIU paid them $500,000 to do that.” Well, now there's a scoop, except the part about the half a mil. It's no secret that ACORN has had a long-standing relationship – since 1972, in fact – with the American Institute for Social Justice, and a relationship almost as long with Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Locals 100 and 880. Social Justice's function is grants management, and ACORN carries out the programs which Social Justice funds with grant money. The SEIU, in partnership with ACORN, has worked on many projects, including WARN (Wal-Mart Alliance for Reform Now), which is a program designed to encourage Wal-Mart to act more responsibly within its communities, including successful lobbying for wage increases for Wal-Mart employees. Other allied organizations with ACORN are listed on its website here.

http://www.examiner.com/x-7109-Chicago-Law-and-Politics-Examiner~y2009m5d24-ACORN-in-the-crosshairs--again----this-time-via-Bill-OReilly

But what exactly is ACORN? Actually, it’s many, many things. The Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now has dozens of affiliated entities, from a home-buying assistance corporation to community radio stations to liberal research and training institutes. The giant web of ACORN organizations, primarily based in Louisiana, has been funded by a mix of labor union money, government grants (which really drive conservatives crazy) and charitable contributions from large foundations. See below for a breakdown of funding sources.
Plus, Project Vote—the voter mobilization organization that works closely with and draws its leadership from ACORN—paid ACORN and an affiliate $5.4 million in 2006. But where does Project Vote get its money? Normally it’s hard to tell, but we obtained a 2006 tax return showing the nonprofit’s funders, including: $4.5 million from the charitable trust of the investment management firm Vanguard; $425,000 from the Bauman Family Foundation, which also gives to the League of Conservation Voters and People for the American Way; and $396,000 from the liberal phone company Working Assets.


Union Money
ACORN’s biggest union backer, the Service Employees International Union, gave more than $4 million to the community organization and its affiliates from 2006-07, according to Dept. of Labor filings. One SEIU local union, the Illinois Homecare Workers and Home Childcare Providers, sprouted from ACORN’s organizing efforts and pays rent to ACORN.
ACORN’s affiliates also pick up money from the Change to Win labor federation, the Food and Commercial Workers Union and the United Federation of Teachers, among others.
Government Grants
Much to the dismay of conservatives, the Department of Housing and Urban Development gave ACORN Housing Corp. $8.2 million from 2003 to 2006, according to USAspending.gov. ACORN Housing provides counseling, classes, and access to special loans to low-income homebuyers. HUD has given another $1.6 million to other ACORN affiliates since 2003.
The Environmental Protection Agency also chipped in, with $100,000 for ACORN’s Louisiana Environmental Justice Project in 2004, for a program to rid homes of lead. The Republican National Committee wants a federal probe of ACORN. But the Justice Department has liked ACORN enough to give a New York ACORN affiliate $138,000 in 2005, for a juvenile delinquency prevention program.
Foundations
The foundations that give to ACORN & Co. vary widely. There are some classically liberal ones: The Bauman Family Foundation gave $350,000 to ACORN’s American Institute for Social Justice. George Soros’ Open Society Institute gave $300,000 to that institute and $250,000 to ACORN proper. The Charles Stewart Mott Foundation gave the institute $1.8 million.
But some of the biggest donors are mainstream foundations of big corporations, according to data from the Foundation Center. The JPMorgan Chase Foundation gave $2.4 million to ACORN Housing and the Bank of America Charitable Foundation gave $1.4 million. Citigroup’s foundation gave $1.5 million to the social justice institute.
Other major donors include the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, which gave $1.4 million for an education reform campaign. The Ford Foundation has given $1.3 million, including $257,000 this year for “public education and technical assistance to grassroots groups working to expand access to the Earned Income Tax Credit, living wage ordinances and paid sick days.” Foundations affiliated with the late founder of the United Parcel Service gave a combined $6.4 million.
Individuals
The 527 organization Fund for America was set up last year by top liberal donors and operatives to help fund pro-Democratic organizations this election season, but it ended up folding. The Fund, itself bankrolled by George Soros and others, gave $200,000 to ACORN.
ACORN has also had its own affiliated 527s. Communities Voting Together, for example, was founded to “educate and mobilize low income voters in key communities in key battleground states in the run-up to the 2004 presidential elections, focusing on Latino and African-American neighborhoods.” The group received $125,000 from film producer Jeanne Levy-Hinte; $100,000 from environmentalist donor John R. Hunting, whose wealth comes from the Steelcase office furniture company; $80,000 from the president of Working Assets, and $70,000 from Linda Pritzker of the Hyatt fortune.

http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/item/20081015_acorns_money_tree_has_many_branches/

Two sources... dunno how true they are

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RE: ACORN, Pimps and Ho's - 9/17/2009 12:35:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

Because you still have not, despite my repeated requests, shown me when and where Acorn has received federal funding.


*shrugs*  If ACORN has not, does not, nor is in a position to receive federal funding, then I suppose it was a bit stupid for the US Senate to vote on S.Amdt. 2355  to H.R. 3288 prohibiting use of funds to fund the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), as well as others.

But I suppose you'll just argue that it was "pre-emptive" action. 



No, I'm a little confused by exactly what is going on here.

First, if they list on their website and in their publications that they do not accept federal funding but actually do, that is a clear case of fraud, and something I'm sure would have been jumped on by their opponents long ago.

Second, the amendment you are referring to cut off funding to Acorn Housing Corporation which is run separately from Acorn and its funding cannot be used to finance the organization but is directed at specific purposes.

My guess is the Republicans saw a golden opportunity to prove their witch hunt was right and the spineless Democrats were too afraid to vote against it because of all the negative publicity this particular incident generated.



PolitiFact | Bachmann claims ACORN has access to $8.5 billion in...


ACORN has a complex corporate structure. It's actually a network of affiliates. The ACORN that Republicans love to hate gets involved in political activity like voter registration. But there are other entities, like the sister company, ACORN Housing Corporation, a nonprofit that provides free housing counseling to low and moderate income homebuyers.


.............An affiliate like ACORN Housing could conceivably apply for a grant to build an affordable housing project, or to buy, fix and sell abandoned homes, but that's exactly what the money would have to be used for. Suggestions that one of the affiliates might funnel money to ACORN for political activity is, so far, unsubstantiated conjecture. And then there's the matter of trying to make a splash by throwing out the massive $8.5 billion number, suggesting ACORN "could get" it, as in all of it. That's absurd. We rule Bachmann's statement False.




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