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chiaThePet -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 7:05:02 AM)


“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their creator with certain ‘unalienable’ Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness” (July 4, 1776.

chia* (the pet)



tazzygirl -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 7:20:19 AM)

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In 1654, twenty-three Portuguese Jews arrived in the city of Nieuw Amsterdam (present day Lower Manhattan). These were the first Jewish settlers in the US. This article reviews the history behind their reasons to come to this country.


http://selections.rockefeller.edu/cms/countries-and-people/tracing-the-history-of-the-first-jews-in-the-us.html

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Atheism was unfortunately stifled in the Western world by the rise of fanatical and intolerant strains of Christianity during the late Roman Empire. In 381 A. D., the Roman emperor Theodosius I issued a decree banning any religious or non-religious views departing from his official interpretation of Christian doctrine. Explicit atheism did not fully revive until the late 18th century, with such thinkers as the Baron d'Holbach and the Marquis de Condorcet.


http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/815895/the_first_atheists_pg2.html?cat=37

July 11, 1656

First Quaker colonists land at Boston
Ann Austin and Mary Fisher, two Englishwomen, become the first Quakers to immigrate to the American colonies when the ship carrying them lands at Boston in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. The pair came from Barbados, where Quakers had established a center for missionary work.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history.do?action=Article&id=5169




FatDomDaddy -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 12:56:46 PM)

In the Year of Our Lord, Seventeen Hundred and Seventy-six. It says so right on the paperwork.



mnottertail -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 1:09:08 PM)

OP, it never did, never was, never will be, even if you'd'a spelled it right.

Ron



MstrPBK -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 1:10:49 PM)

America has the premise of freedom of Religion.
America is pluralistic in the what is regarded as Religion.
It is unfortunate that the original poster finds it acceptable to disenfranchise the other +300 or so religions found in America which are not christian in form or nature.

MstrPBK
St. Paul, MN USA



DavanKael -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 1:18:38 PM)

When did American become a Christian country? 
As soon as the Europeans took it over from the indigenous inhabitants (American Indians) and either sublimated their culture and religion or converted them. 

Scriptural basis for doing such things? 
Not off the top of my head.  Perhaps someone taking the "being fishers of men" directive too far.  Certainly, employing the My God's Got a Bigger Dick (Attributable to Carlin, that phrase, as I recall) train of thought. 

I'm pissed that I could get killed in the crossfire of shit that is revenge for the Crusades.  I didn't do it, I'm not a Christian yet the war we're (We: America, and as an American, I stand with my country) waging definitely has facets of Christianity versus Islam (And, my saying that in no way takes away from my appreciation for the troops that are serving). 
  Davan



DomKen -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 1:46:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

In the Year of Our Lord

A translation of the latin 'Anna Domini' i.e. a fancy way to write A.D. not an expression of faith.



FatDomDaddy -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 2:26:02 PM)

Well who's Lord are they talking about Ken?



mnottertail -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 2:35:15 PM)

Since it is a calender that was devised by catholics and called a gregorian calender after a blessing of Pope Gregory, I assume it means our god is the pope, to that timepiece. Why is this so, well, thats where all the universities and astronomers and eminated from since they had the coffers built off the backs of the poor, and the guilt of the rich.

Other than that, it is just a numbering system, like cartesian coordinates, not THEE numbering system, but A numbering system.




DomKen -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 2:38:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Well who's Lord are they talking about Ken?

So if I ever use the AD/BC dating system I'm christian? What a load of bullocks.



DavanKael -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 3:51:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Well who's Lord are they talking about Ken?

So if I ever use the AD/BC dating system I'm christian? What a load of bullocks.


Yes, you are deferring to a Christian lean if you're using those letters. 
If you wish to convert to a secular lean, adopt BCE and CE. 
Simple. 
  Davan



DomKen -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 4:43:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy

Well who's Lord are they talking about Ken?

So if I ever use the AD/BC dating system I'm christian? What a load of bullocks.


Yes, you are deferring to a Christian lean if you're using those letters. 
If you wish to convert to a secular lean, adopt BCE and CE. 
Simple. 
  Davan

And if you were writing in the 18th century, 300 years before the CE/BCE convention was invented, what would you do then?

Simply put using AD or writing 'In the year of our Lord' proves nothing about the religious orientation of the writer.



Politesub53 -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 5:36:39 PM)

CE is sometimes known as the Christian Era, so it isnt as simple as it seems. Its odd that since AD/BC are common usage, people insist anyone using this dating system must be Christian. Are we suggesting all other faiths must use a seperate system, rather than the standard one.



kdsub -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 5:53:34 PM)

I think you are trying to make things too complicated... There are simple facts...The majority of Americans claim to be Christian and the vast majority believe in the existence of God...this despite the strong anti -religious faction here on CM.

If the majority is Christian then I think the claim could be made that we are a Christian country…don’t you think that reasonable?


B



Politesub53 -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 5:55:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

I think you are trying to make things too complicated... There are simple facts...The majority of Americans claim to be Christian and the vast majority believe in the existence of God...this despite the strong anti -religious faction here on CM.

If the majority is Christian then I think the claim could be made that we are a Christian country…don’t you think that reasonable?


B



Butch, not believing in something doesnt automatically make one "Anti"



kdsub -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 6:05:50 PM)

Yes you are right...poor choice of words

Butch



kdsub -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 6:08:09 PM)

But you will also have to admit there are many who hold believers in contempt and blame religion for all the worlds problems. And good portion of them post here...[:D]



Politesub53 -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 6:15:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

But you will also have to admit there are many who hold believers in contempt and blame religion for all the worlds problems. And good portion of them post here...[:D]


Such is life huh...The joy of the internet forum. [;)]



sravaka -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 6:17:27 PM)

FR

I have no clue about scriptural justifications, but I was under the impression that the US became *noisily* Xtian in the 20th century, when it became necessary to differentiate ourselves from the godless Soviets.  (see:  addition of "one nation under god" to the pledge, etc.)

I long for quieter days.  Whether or not the country is majority Xtian, the point is that there is supposed to be room for minorities as well. 



kdsub -> RE: So when did America become a "Chrisitian" country (9/12/2009 6:36:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

But you will also have to admit there are many who hold believers in contempt and blame religion for all the worlds problems. And good portion of them post here...[:D]


Such is life huh...The joy of the internet forum. [;)]


Yes we must all have someone or something to blame...or heaven forbid we will have no one left to blame but ourselves.

Butch



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