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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/12/2009 10:02:59 PM   
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Alcohol has sugar in it, which isn't good to put into the urethra. He probably had an infection which is why it hurt to pee.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/12/2009 11:31:44 PM   
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Yeah, I subscribe to the school of topping that I only do to others those things I've tried out on myself -- & have gathered a decent understanding of what all is entailed . . . . . .

Personally, I like Vicks rubbed down there, but it took some building up to get there . . . . .




So you've never observed a partner who was blindfolded?  Because you clearly haven't observed yourself while blindfolded.

Never bound a partner while remaining unbound yourself? Because you clearly couldn't bind yourself while remaining unbound yourself.

Never touched a partner's penis?  (or is there something you haven't told us about your own anatomy, Miss?)

You've never nibbled on a partner's neck or ear? Nor even kissed a partner on the lips, not to say the small of the back?

Interesting. Glad these, uh,  restrictions are working for you.

In fact your partner's response to a hot pepper inserted (here or there) will not necessarily even mirror that same partner's experience of the very same thing the day before or six hours after. All sorts of objective and subjective factors influence--sometimes dramatically--our response to a given stimulus.

If you want to learn, by self-experimentation, what a given stimulus will be experienced as by your partner, here's all you need to do. Be sure to precisely match your age to his or hers. Also, match state of health, state of fatigue, blood sugar level (in fact blood chemistry across the board), state of galvanic skin response,  ECG conditions, allergies, mood, feelings toward you, degree of subspace and, well, his or her entire genome and life history just to get started.

But you still have a long way to go. 

Setting aside the vast range of physical/medical reasons why it is delusional to think that you can know your partner's response based on your own, consider the more subjective issues.

Do you think for a moment that a person's emotional response to a stimulus is walled off from his or her physical response?

Let's say a some cop pulls you over, falsely claiming that you ran a stop sign. Let's say the cop pats you down, strips you, does a full body cavity search there by the roadside, and then proceeds to slap you back and forth across your face. Do you think that he or she can reasonably claim "I know just what that citizen felt when slapped. After all, I slapped myself back and forth just last Tuesday (just after quizzically probing my own intimate orifices.) One things is for sure: my slapping of that citizen gave rise to no feelings of outrage, humiliation or injustice. I know this because I felt no such things when I slapped myself."

I suspect that for some citizens the cop's slaps would scarcely hurt at all, any otherwise expected physical response being submerged beneath a quite righteous emotional one. For another citizen, the physical response might be exagerrated, it might hurt twice as much because of the strange subjective factors.

Analogously, your partner's physical responses to stimuli received at your hand can be strongly conditioned by your partner's emotional response to you and the time and the setting and the relationship context in which you administer stimulus A, B or C. Among many other things.

Consider your emotional state, set of intentions, and degree and kind of engagement in the moment while sticking a nettle up your own nose for research purposes. Can you reliably assume that these factors will pretty closely match those of your partner whenever you happen to decide on a nettly invasion of his or her nostrils? 

Maybe so.  Maybe not.  I mean I don't know you guys.  Maybe you're really in tune.


It is dangerously irresponsible to presume that someone else's response to a given stimulus will mirror your own. Inexperienced subs who take such claims  from doms as reassuring should instead read them as red flags, in my opinion.


Tops who are into auto-erotic masochism are just as worthy as any others. Go for it, y'all.  If some of them feel the need to camoflage this activity with talk about how it is all for the sake of their partners, that's fine too. Sort of a pity, from one point of view, given the bankruptcy of the claim that this self-play let's them know what their partner will experience, but there is is.

By the way, I'm intrigued by the tut-tut-tutting about blisters(!) from people liberally sprinkled with tattoos. Painful brief disfigurement is just wrong while painful permanent disfigurement is a swell hobby?

Interesting.



To the OP: Yes, you can insert hot peppers into sensitive orifices without killing anyone or arousing the ire of emergency room staff. You can even have them insert the hot peppers onto their sensitive orifices themselves. You can even have them pay you for preparing the hot pepper for orifice entry and letting them poke it in themselves.

If you've ever visited the kitchen of a Mexican or Thai or Sichuan restaurant you have encounted people who do this for a living.

Rock on. Have fun.

And please excuse the people who display insufficient imagination to envision that for someone, perhaps someone unlike themselves, physical punishment could indeed be a useful part of a process of "learning one's place" in a cetain context, in a certain relationship.

Some people apparently haven't learned that Folks Are Different.

These people therefore end up saddled with presumptions like "My partner's physical responses to stimuli will reliably mirror my own," and "No one else will ever experience psychological or emotional development in a way that I cannot relate to from personal experience."

But don't hate on 'em. It takes all kinds.

Just do your thing.

And by the way, kudos for displaying the maturity and concern for your partner revealed in your decision to seek advice here before proceeding with this new activity.

I hope you've found a few useful comments in amongst the responses to your post.



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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/12/2009 11:36:08 PM   
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Noah, that was one of the most off-base posts I've read in quite awhile. 
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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 12:08:35 AM   
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I'll concede that 'prefer' would have been a better choice than 'only' in what you quoted . . . . However, by all means draw an extraordinary array of conclusions off of a paragraph of text posted to the internet, make all the assumptions you want, that's a terribly impressive demonstration of, well, whatever you were trying to display . . . . . *snicker, smirk*

& that italicized text of yours, below, yeah, you'd be ever so much more authoritative in your analysis if you got your facts correct, if you are referring to my being tattooed, cuz I didn't tut-tut anyone over blistering . . . . .

I find that it works best to keep each distinct poster separate & not mush them all together & respond haphazardly, but whatever works for you . . . . . .

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ORIGINAL: Noah

quote:

ORIGINAL: DemonKia

Yeah, I subscribe to the school of topping that I only do to others those things I've tried out on myself -- & have gathered a decent understanding of what all is entailed . . . . . .

Personally, I like Vicks rubbed down there, but it took some building up to get there . . . . .




<<<clippity-clip-clip>>>>

By the way, I'm intrigued by the tut-tut-tutting about blisters(!) from people liberally sprinkled with tattoos. Painful brief disfigurement is just wrong while painful permanent disfigurement is a swell hobby?



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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 12:58:15 AM   
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Thank you for you replies, i presume its a bad idea, is there anything I can insert into her panties that will sting for a good few hours ?

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 7:21:56 AM   
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Didn't say it was a bad idea. I only said that a lot more research and thought needs to be put into this because it CAN get out of hand in a hurry and there is little you can do to curb it once it is going. I still think more importantly is that you teach her what you expect rather than punishing her for what is still not a clear reason. She's to be a mind reader? I think you will find most people unable to meet that particular expectation.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 7:37:25 AM   
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I'm just going to ask the OP...are you punishing her because she has committed something you perceive as an infraction or because that is how you believe one is supposed to interact with a submissive? Do you believe that punishment constitutes the entire dynamic of the relationship? Is it possible that BOTH of you are navigating with an information deficit?

Denial of interaction is often discussed as the most effective punishment.  Dominants can be punished also - they can be (and have been) dropped on their pompous cans by any submissive who deems them to be abusive, negligent or disregarding of what the submissive clearly outlined as 'above and beyond.'

If you want to gain some very valuable insight, pay attention to the submissives that frequent this message board.  They are reliably direct. They will tell you the fastest way to their hearts and minds - you simply have to be willing to pay attention.


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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 8:42:19 AM   
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greetings to all,

OP, instead of pepper or anything else, why don't you just screw her while she's totally unlubricated? (I find that "sneak attacks" by Master get me sore and stinging when I pee for a few hours afterwards and I have no lasting damage; ready to go again that night, or the day after).

(If people disagree, don't blame me, he asked *grins*)

well wishes,

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 8:43:46 AM   
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Forgive me for laughing it's funny but truly horrible and I know it wasn't funny then.. I remember one time my mom told me to put gold bond medicated powder on my heat rash since being  big breasted and the skin lays flat on skin when I don't wear a bra, and it burned but also felt interesting. I didn't do it again however but it'd be fun to try to duplicate that cool kind of burning kind of cold sensation..
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Speaking of rubbing your eyes, I had bengay on my hands,  washed my hands really good, thought 5 minutes later it'd be ok to rub my eyes, because I had washed my hands, and NOPE it wasn't ok lol.

I was pregnant and had the worst heat rash on the underside of my belly and my inner thighs... and lower back pain... and I had cream for the rash.. and bengay for the lower back.. and the hubby accidently passed the wrong tube when I was whining about the heat rash.... ye gods. yowzers.. ouch.. and all that stuff....

Wicked stuff


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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 8:47:17 AM   
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Thank you for you replies, i presume its a bad idea, is there anything I can insert into her panties that will sting for a good few hours ?
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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 8:48:26 AM   
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Thank you for you replies, i presume its a bad idea, is there anything I can insert into her panties that will sting for a good few hours ?



Smear some mustard and mayo on that ass, and beat it like you own it for an hour or so...........that will give her a little pantie sting for a few hours.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 9:16:10 AM   
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OP, it is best, the first time to start with things you know can be washed away if it is too much to handle. When you are there to monitor the situation.

The last thing you want is to do this in the morning when she's getting dressed for work, and discover the pain was so severe she couldn't focus on the drive and had an accident.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 10:49:55 AM   
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Beautifully said, MsFlutter. 
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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 11:02:03 AM   
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Can't you just dump a waldorf salad in the fuckin' panties and let her put on whatever sort of dressing she wants on it, an oil and vinagrette perhaps, and go have her sit thru a long afternoon of latin mass in some old church with the hard wooden pews?

Then we could get over this, and get on to the next thing.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 11:13:18 AM   
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Can't you just dump a waldorf salad in the fuckin' panties and let her put on whatever sort of dressing she wants on it, an oil and vinagrette perhaps, and go have her sit thru a long afternoon of latin mass in some old church with the hard wooden pews?

Then we could get over this, and get on to the next thing.

Emeril LaGasse


I think a taco salad would be much more apropos


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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 11:17:04 AM   
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I suppose sitting looking at the velvet papal tapestries in a mexican church would be a hideous enough punishment, but so we don't have to go all over this all over again, john, for fucks sake use only a little bit of the MILD sauce, but put as much onions and cheese as you feel necessary, and with the way cheese is created, get about a 5 gallon bucket of Monostat-7 to have standing by after the meet and greet with the priest, after services.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 11:25:06 AM   
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greetings to all,

OP, instead of pepper or anything else, why don't you just screw her while she's totally unlubricated? (I find that "sneak attacks" by Master get me sore and stinging when I pee for a few hours afterwards and I have no lasting damage; ready to go again that night, or the day after).
well wishes,

Whew.  My cooter gets majorly upset with that and demonstrates its unhappiness by inflicting me with a yeast infection.  Owie.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 11:26:58 AM   
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I suppose sitting looking at the velvet papal tapestries in a mexican church would be a hideous enough punishment, but so we don't have to go all over this all over again, john, for fucks sake use only a little bit of the MILD sauce, but put as much onions and cheese as you feel necessary, and with the way cheese is created, get about a 5 gallon bucket of Monostat-7 to have standing by after the meet and greet with the priest, after services.

Ron

Diflucan's the way to go Ron.  Not sliding down the aisle on the Monostat-7.

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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 11:44:14 AM   
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Noah, that was one of the most off-base posts I've read in quite awhile. 
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Yeah, and the fact that Kia is a switch rather than a pure Top makes the basic assumption entirely in error.


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RE: Pepper punishement - 9/13/2009 11:57:54 AM   
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Yeah, I subscribe to the school of topping that I only do to others those things I've tried out on myself -- & have gathered a decent understanding of what all is entailed . . . . . .

Personally, I like Vicks rubbed down there, but it took some building up to get there . . . . .




So you've never observed a partner who was blindfolded?  Because you clearly haven't observed yourself while blindfolded. Nope, but I have been blindfolded before.

Never bound a partner while remaining unbound yourself? Because you clearly couldn't bind yourself while remaining unbound yourself. Actually I've seen two people do rope suspensions on each other at the same time. Also, I've been tied up before

Never touched a partner's penis?  (or is there something you haven't told us about your own anatomy, Miss?) No I dont have penis, but I have touched them. But Then again I can bet 99.9 % of the time my man wont like me taking a bite out of his naughty bits.

You've never nibbled on a partner's neck or ear? Nor even kissed a partner on the lips, not to say the small of the back? Sure I have, but I've had other do the same to me

Interesting. Glad these, uh,  restrictions are working for you.

In fact your partner's response to a hot pepper inserted (here or there) will not necessarily even mirror that same partner's experience of the very same thing the day before or six hours after. All sorts of objective and subjective factors influence--sometimes dramatically--our response to a given stimulus.

If you want to learn, by self-experimentation, what a given stimulus will be experienced as by your partner, here's all you need to do. Be sure to precisely match your age to his or hers. Also, match state of health, state of fatigue, blood sugar level (in fact blood chemistry across the board), state of galvanic skin response,  ECG conditions, allergies, mood, feelings toward you, degree of subspace and, well, his or her entire genome and life history just to get started.

But you still have a long way to go. 

Setting aside the vast range of physical/medical reasons why it is delusional to think that you can know your partner's response based on your own, consider the more subjective issues.

Do you think for a moment that a person's emotional response to a stimulus is walled off from his or her physical response?

Let's say a some cop pulls you over, falsely claiming that you ran a stop sign. Let's say the cop pats you down, strips you, does a full body cavity search there by the roadside, and then proceeds to slap you back and forth across your face. Do you think that he or she can reasonably claim "I know just what that citizen felt when slapped. After all, I slapped myself back and forth just last Tuesday (just after quizzically probing my own intimate orifices.) One things is for sure: my slapping of that citizen gave rise to no feelings of outrage, humiliation or injustice. I know this because I felt no such things when I slapped myself."

I suspect that for some citizens the cop's slaps would scarcely hurt at all, any otherwise expected physical response being submerged beneath a quite righteous emotional one. For another citizen, the physical response might be exagerrated, it might hurt twice as much because of the strange subjective factors.

Analogously, your partner's physical responses to stimuli received at your hand can be strongly conditioned by your partner's emotional response to you and the time and the setting and the relationship context in which you administer stimulus A, B or C. Among many other things.

Consider your emotional state, set of intentions, and degree and kind of engagement in the moment while sticking a nettle up your own nose for research purposes. Can you reliably assume that these factors will pretty closely match those of your partner whenever you happen to decide on a nettly invasion of his or her nostrils? 

Maybe so.  Maybe not.  I mean I don't know you guys.  Maybe you're really in tune.


It is dangerously irresponsible to presume that someone else's response to a given stimulus will mirror your own. Inexperienced subs who take such claims  from doms as reassuring should instead read them as red flags, in my opinion.


Tops who are into auto-erotic masochism are just as worthy as any others. Go for it, y'all.  If some of them feel the need to camoflage this activity with talk about how it is all for the sake of their partners, that's fine too. Sort of a pity, from one point of view, given the bankruptcy of the claim that this self-play let's them know what their partner will experience, but there is is.

By the way, I'm intrigued by the tut-tut-tutting about blisters(!) from people liberally sprinkled with tattoos. Painful brief disfigurement is just wrong while painful permanent disfigurement is a swell hobby?

Interesting.



To the OP: Yes, you can insert hot peppers into sensitive orifices without killing anyone or arousing the ire of emergency room staff. You can even have them insert the hot peppers onto their sensitive orifices themselves. You can even have them pay you for preparing the hot pepper for orifice entry and letting them poke it in themselves.

If you've ever visited the kitchen of a Mexican or Thai or Sichuan restaurant you have encounted people who do this for a living.

Rock on. Have fun.

And please excuse the people who display insufficient imagination to envision that for someone, perhaps someone unlike themselves, physical punishment could indeed be a useful part of a process of "learning one's place" in a cetain context, in a certain relationship.

Some people apparently haven't learned that Folks Are Different.

These people therefore end up saddled with presumptions like "My partner's physical responses to stimuli will reliably mirror my own," and "No one else will ever experience psychological or emotional development in a way that I cannot relate to from personal experience."

But don't hate on 'em. It takes all kinds.

Just do your thing.

And by the way, kudos for displaying the maturity and concern for your partner revealed in your decision to seek advice here before proceeding with this new activity.

I hope you've found a few useful comments in amongst the responses to your post.


 I find it pretty funny you so against testing things on yourself first.  At least the person who subscribes to the "test on yourself first" idea, has at least an inkling of what their partner is going through. And besides all that, if someone cant take what they are going to dish out to me, then they don't need to be near my precious skin. Cant handle the heat pumpkin? Get the fuck out my kitchen. If your going to be spanking my ass, and smacking me in the face, I don't want to see you cry when I do it back one day. But then again I guess Im just a sucker for those manly types.


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