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Just to understand this, Firm, you are again claiming that it is all the "left leaning statists" fault and if currently certain republicans are doing the very things you claim wrong from the left it is ok to do so because it is a response? For example: If someone says things in his posts that he admits are lies, that is a justifiable thing because the left did it previously? Or are you saying that the left was correct in employing these tactics and now the right has seen that they were correct and adopted them? Or is it your point that the republicans are incapable in making their point in any better manner than the democrats (pardon me, left leaning statists) and so must now sink to the level of lies, demonization and shouting you claim they inflicted on the country? Perhaps you are saying that it's wrong when the left did these things but ok for the republicans because they didn't start it?
Please, do make yourself clear on this issue.
It's clear enough. Not all "liberals" or "progressives" or whatever the hell your sides name is today are shiftless, lowlife scumbags. Only most of the ones in power. (I'm sarcastically channeling Mars now, in case you miss the sarcasm).
All conservatives, all republicans, all people who believe in God (well, Jesus), who believe that government can't solve all of our problems are obviously stupid, criminal, dupes of the greedy capitalist, uneducated, unwashed and perhaps mentally damaged people. They either lie about everything, or they are being lied to, and are dumb enough to believe it.
If they don't believe that the government should control the medical establishment, they are obviously heartless bastards (or they are paid protesters of the Greedy Insurance Companies. Or their dupes.). And they lie.
If they don't believe that sucking malignant growths out of a woman's body (which would eventually, after 9 months, turn into a human being), then they obviously are Religious Fanatics only interested in enslaving women, and keeping them barefoot and uneducated, and cooking in the kitchen. And they lie.
If they dare to speak out against Obama, Reid, or Pelosi, then they are "nazis", "astroturfers", "teabagging idiots" or "unAmerican". They are shills for the "far right wing" (or at least they didn't register Democrat in the last election cycle). Did I mention liars, too?
If they question "Global Warming" (whoops, what is it today? Climate Change? World Heater Day?),. then they are uneducated, unscientific, criminals, traitors to the earth or dupes of the Big Oil Companies.
If they believe that there are people in the world who have an agenda and desire to kill Americans, and that a legitimate defense is to kill them first ... then they are heartless, cruel, war-mongering dupes of the Military Industrial Complex (or at least Haliburton). And they lie. Did I mention that yet?
If they believe that free markets have provided more freedom, and more safety, more food, and saved more lives than any other system in human history ... then they are doubtlessly either shills for Greedy Capitalist, paid lobbyist for the same, criminals, or ... dupes without enough intelligence to know that they are fighting against their own interests.
If they believe that the US Constitution's 2nd amendment right to bear arms shouldn't be interfered with, then they are obviously vile "wing nuts", "gun nuts", "crazy right wing militia" members. They are especially stupid because they can't seem to find the "right to an abortion" or see the Constitution's "fatal flaw" because it doesn't address the (obviously needed) right to redistribute other people's wealth to the correctly thinking left wing political supporters.
Any of this sound familiar yet? I got tons of 'em.
Most of all ... they are liars.
Yeah, that seems to be the most common refrain. Here on CM, if you are a "twue liberal" (progressive, whatever), then you must use the word "lie" and "liar" at least once every two threads, or you are in danger of having your license revoked.
So how does anyone on the right engage in "constructive debate" with people who act and speak about their rhetorical opponents thusly?
I've come to the conclusion that it's a waste of time to attempt to engage them rationally, and expect any acknowledgment of good faith disagreement or with the understanding that people of good faith can disagree. I don't think I'm the only one.
Clear enough?
If you don't fit the category of the people who attempt to "debate" in the manner that I mention above, then I'm not talking about "you" (the generic "you"). There are some "liberals" who still have the ability to discuss and agree to disagree without attempting to paint their political and rhetoric opponent as worthless human scumbags who lie as a matter of course. Two notable ones who are currently active are philosophy and Arpig. A few others try, occasionally, but their natural propensity to reach for the (stupid, criminal, dupe) button almost always reveal what they really think.
Should "the right" continue to attempt to debate "ideas", when they are treated as nothing more than scum that should be wiped off the feet before entering polite company? When they don't have the power to enforce by law their beliefs ... they are tolerable. Barely.
When they become the law?
It's not "ok" for the right to return the favor. It is, however, perhaps the only remaining path.
Exigent circumstances.
Once we've cleared the poison from our system, then we can attempt to return to honest debate and discussion. If that is possible.
Firm
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