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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 6:51:11 PM

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Naturally, people will have differing views. What surprises me is that the Swedish model for dealing with prostitution hasn't attracted more notice and comment here in the States. The discussion is always in terms of prohibition vs legalization. In reality, both of those extremes have a lot of drawbacks, and there are lots of other legal models from various countries. Britain, for instance, does not prohibit prostitution per se, but does prohibit advertising, soliciting, trafficking, pimping, lettting of premises, etc.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 9:02:38 PM

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For many years in Western Australia, prostitution was, whilst technically illegal, contained and an official blind eye was turned with a brothel being warned of an impending raid so that only clean skins were there which brought the minimal fine. The working girls and especially the madams were and are a major source of intelligence regarding organised crime and the movement of undesirables, many who would be met at the airport and immediately returned to the Eastern States. The big no no was males being involved in the brothels which would as history in Australia showed, be a foot in the door for the crime families. These days girls are registered with police and working premises such as brothels have to pass the health and safety checks as well as the girls paying tax on their income. We did find that the laws were relaxed to allow official brothels and prostitution being legalised or at least decriminalised at about the same time as casinos were permitted. the police attitude of containment was echoed with the gambling dens too on the basis it is better to know who and where than have it pushed deep underground and in the hands of career criminals. Basically, people like to drink, gamble and fuck. A lot was learned from the Prohibition Days in the USA.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 9:14:45 PM

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Exactly. Those three vices (prostitution, intoxicants, & gambling) form an important part of organized crime thru their basic illegality; legalizing them seems an obvious first step to wresting control of them away from mafias, tongs, & etc . . .. . & simultaneously undercutting the lucrative incomes they provide to the criminal underground . . . . .

Plus, there's this whole thing where illegal prostitution contributes significantly to creating a 'preferred victim class' out of prostitutes, inhibiting their ability to seek out law enforcement assistance for things both related & not to their prostitution . .. . . A situation that many serial killers, rapists, abusive types, & etc have made use of . . . . . . .

I'd argue that we've spent tons of time, all over the planet, making prostitution illegal (with varying degrees of severity) & the results have been less than satisfactory. It's gonna have its problems but the illegality thing just adds to & compounds them . . . . I'm convinced that the future is legalization & integration into society, tho' probably not any time soon . . . . There's still too many places where they still stone the whores . . . . .

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For many years in Western Australia, prostitution was, whilst technically illegal, contained and an official blind eye was turned with a brothel being warned of an impending raid so that only clean skins were there which brought the minimal fine. The working girls and especially the madams were and are a major source of intelligence regarding organised crime and the movement of undesirables, many who would be met at the airport and immediately returned to the Eastern States. The big no no was males being involved in the brothels which would as history in Australia showed, be a foot in the door for the crime families. These days girls are registered with police and working premises such as brothels have to pass the health and safety checks as well as the girls paying tax on their income. We did find that the laws were relaxed to allow official brothels and prostitution being legalised or at least decriminalised at about the same time as casinos were permitted. the police attitude of containment was echoed with the gambling dens too on the basis it is better to know who and where than have it pushed deep underground and in the hands of career criminals. Basically, people like to drink, gamble and fuck. A lot was learned from the Prohibition Days in the USA.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 9:39:41 PM

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there's this whole thing where illegal prostitution contributes significantly to creating a 'preferred victim class' out of prostitutes, inhibiting their ability to seek out law enforcement assistance for things both related & not to their prostitution ...

That's the great thing about the Swedish model. It protects women from sexual exploitation without punishing the victims. Polls show that this change in legal approach has broad public support in Sweden, and other polls show Sweden as being at or near the bottom in levels of prostitution. England and Scotland have been actively studying reform of prostitution laws, and chances are good of their adapting something along the lines of Swedish laws. Here in the United States, there doesn't seem to be a lot of public concern about the issue. One exception is the state of Rhode Island, which recently moved to tighten up loopholes in its laws on prostitution.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 11:00:31 PM

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I read through the responses, which I did find interesting, but I didn't see an actual response to the original question. Frankly, I am all for recieving money, especially if no services are actually required, of course there is usually some other price to pay that may or may not be worth it. So, if there is an actual website, or some other form of communication that makes this possible, I would be interested in hearing about it.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 11:04:44 PM

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See, I'm really skeptical at the notion that prostitution is eliminatable, & I think the belief that it can be eradicated, & that that is a desirable social goal, are both intrinsic to the philosophies of illegality.

I would argue that prostitution fulfills important social functions & that society would be better off respecting direct sales of sexuality every bit as much as benefits are sanctioned from indirect usage of sexuality. (Marketing & porn both legitimately make use of sexual impulses while dodging the stigma of direct prostitution) . . . . . .

It seems to me that prostitution is basically a scapegoat, suppressed rather arbitrarily as penance for all of humanity's issues with sexuality rather than out of some reasoned argument that it is intrinsically 'bad' . . . . . Using sexuality to sell everything from toothpaste to life insurance, that's okay, it's fine to use sexual impulses to manipulate people to sell virtually anything. Except sex itself, that's verboten. Must not sell sex.

& it's really weird for me cuz I live in the Mecca of Capitalism, the US, where selling stuff is almost a state religion. But not sex. Use sex all you want to sell stuff (you can even sell sex-simulacra & near-sex), but just don't sell actual, real, in-the-flesh sex. It's easy to derive the idea that maybe the selling of in-person sex must be some kinda bogeyman, an evil devil lurking to grab the unwary innocents . . . .

& yet. The Aussies seem to be doing okay, & it sounds like they're moving in the direction of more legality rather than less . . . & I believe the New Zealanders are also in the legality space . . . . ..

Yep. I'm gonna stick with my firmly held position that legalizing prostitution is a sign of civilization & progress, & making it illicit is a sign of barbarism . . . . . Even if the Swedes are rendered less-than-perfect in their relative progressivism in the process, that's okay. I tend to belong to that beam-me-up-Scotty-there's-no-civilized-life-down-here school . . . . . . Maybe in another century or so . . . . ..

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That's the great thing about the Swedish model. It protects women from sexual exploitation without punishing the victims. Polls show that this change in legal approach has broad public support in Sweden, and other polls show Sweden as being at or near the bottom in levels of prostitution. England and Scotland have been actively studying reform of prostitution laws, and chances are good of their adapting something along the lines of Swedish laws. Here in the United States, there doesn't seem to be a lot of public concern about the issue. One exception is the state of Rhode Island, which recently moved to tighten up loopholes in its laws on prostitution.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 11:12:04 PM

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From a strictly economic point of view, it's an interesting concept. One might call it the ultimate in capitalism, it's reductio ad absurdem. The seller is selling a service which costs nothing to provide and requires no workers to manufacture or distribute. The buyer is receiving nothing. It would seem likely that problems of supply and demand would rapidly intervene. The number of potential customers is likely to be small and fixed. Anyone could become a "cash master" with no particular investment or expertise required. Therefore we would expect to see an increasing number of "cash masters" competing intensely for a small, fixed number of customers. It's not so clear just what form that competition would take. It does seem clear though that this could never be a viable business model on any large scale.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/15/2009 11:18:13 PM

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From a strictly economic point of view, it's an interesting concept. One might call it the ultimate in capitalism, it's reductio ad absurdem. The seller is selling a service which costs nothing to provide and requires no workers to manufacture or distribute. The buyer is receiving nothing. It would seem likely that problems of supply and demand would rapidly intervene. The number of potential customers is likely to be small and fixed. Anyone could become a "cash master" with no particular investment or expertise required. Therefore we would expect to see an increasing number of "cash masters" competing intensely for a small, fixed number of customers. It's not so clear just what form that competition would take. It does seem clear though that this could never be a viable business model on any large scale.

I think in this sort of doomed business plan, the ones who would get ahead would be the ones with the best reputation....

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/16/2009 4:14:59 PM

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I've always felt that women had a lot more common sense than men. The absence of male "cash masters", for that matter, the general absence of male commercial "doms" for women, is just one more confirmation.

They're not absent. There just aren't as many of them as their are female cash mistresses. You can find them on collarme or any bdsm social site, for that matter, by using the right keyword search.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/21/2009 6:21:22 PM

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I suspect cash masters are likely to have a mostly gay male clientele

As to why there are so few of them, it's a pretty simple, and yet mysterious rule of the world. Women are prettier and more desireable.

Just compare the average number of letters recieved on here, by a man, and a woman, regardless of orientation. I've never seen a man complain about being inundated with cmail.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/22/2009 1:14:44 PM

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I suspect cash masters are likely to have a mostly gay male clientele

As to why there are so few of them, it's a pretty simple, and yet mysterious rule of the world. Women are prettier and more desireable.

Just compare the average number of letters recieved on here, by a man, and a woman, regardless of orientation. I've never seen a man complain about being inundated with cmail.

I do seem to remember seeing male journals that made that complaint. They said they were inundated with messages from spammers, scammers, "financial dominants", and commercial "dominatrixes", so that really just proves your point, though.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/22/2009 3:14:26 PM

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I suspect cash masters are likely to have a mostly gay male clientele

As to why there are so few of them, it's a pretty simple, and yet mysterious rule of the world. Women are prettier and more desireable.

Just compare the average number of letters recieved on here, by a man, and a woman, regardless of orientation. I've never seen a man complain about being inundated with cmail.

This is true. In addition, it's the principal of least interest in favor of the Woman, along with an abundance of males ready, willing and happy to play free of cha

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/23/2009 12:43:48 AM

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That's a good one, AnimusRex! I wonder though, how did it ever get to be called "pro"? Generally speaking, a profession is something which requires an advanced level of education and accreditation by some recognized professional organization. Perhaps it's an analogy from professional sports, as opposed to amateur sports.

Professional = participating for gain or livelihood in an activity or field of endeavor often engaged in by amateurs.
I don't believe that those of us that Dominate without money gains would think of ourselves as amateurs but by definition we are all amateurs unless we get paid for it.

There are many reasons a woman may prefer to pay a dominant for his service.
'non return of favors'. Its a clean cut business transaction that fills a need.
Uninvolvement and occasional use without pressure.
Discretion without the fear of a bunny boiler.

Many of the same reasons why men use a escorts and pro Dommes.

As an ex pro Domme living with an ex pro escort we are both happy to say that we prostituted ourselves in a professional manner!

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/23/2009 9:47:40 PM

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allthatjaz, I'm really glad to hear from some intelligent, safe, sane type folks who have been involved in the sex trade here. People like you are the ones who will help society become more accepting of the fact that the world's oldest profession is an acceptable means of making a living. People should have total ownership of their own minds, bodies, and spirits, and should only give that away willingly in the right context - never forced by governments or "society" to give up their rights to do with their bodies or their hard-earned money as they please. I've never paid for any sort of sexual encounter, but I have friends in the legitimate sex work industry who are likewise intelligent and articulate activists for the safe practice of their trade by mature, consenting, intelligent adults.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/23/2009 11:50:17 PM

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People should have total ownership of their own minds, bodies, and spirits, and should only give that away willingly in the right context - never forced by governments or "society" to give up their rights to do with their bodies or their hard-earned money as they please.

Prostitution in the real world is very far from being an exchange between equals. It is the exploitation of the most vulnerable of people, for the benefit of the affluent. It is always closely entwined with other forms of social pathology, organized crime, drug and alcohol abuse, and mental illness. " And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few; as we have learned to our sorrow." (Judge Learned Hand)

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/24/2009 1:14:59 AM

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People should have total ownership of their own minds, bodies, and spirits, and should only give that away willingly in the right context - never forced by governments or "society" to give up their rights to do with their bodies or their hard-earned money as they please.

Prostitution in the real world is very far from being an exchange between equals. It is the exploitation of the most vulnerable of people, for the benefit of the affluent. It is always closely entwined with other forms of social pathology, organized crime, drug and alcohol abuse, and mental illness. " And what is this liberty which must lie in the hearts of men and women? It is not the ruthless, the unbridled will; it is not freedom to do as one likes. That is the denial of liberty, and leads straight to its overthrow. A society in which men recognize no check upon their freedom soon becomes a society where freedom is the possession of only a savage few; as we have learned to our sorrow." (Judge Learned Hand)

As Judge Leaned Hand lived from 1872 – 1961 I would agree that back then prostitution was somewhat different than it is today.
This speach was made at a time when only the lower working classes/paupers were pushed into prostitution through a need for money. There is no prostitution without the need for money but times have changed. When he was campaigning against prostitution times were very different. He states that all prostitution involved forms of social pathology, organized crime, drug and alcohol abuse, and mental illness. It also involved mothers that couldn't afford a doctor for there sick child. It involved a desperation to survive as there was no welfare system. He was a wealthy man that made a very blanket statement.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/24/2009 1:40:48 AM

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As Judge Leaned Hand lived from 1872 – 1961...

Only the part within quotation marks was from Judge Hand. The rest was from me. I'm still alive. Judge Hand was not speaking specifically about prostitution. He was speaking about a certain mistaken notion of "freedom". There's little evidence prostitution has changed. Every study of prostitution, whether in places it is semilegal or prohibited, has shown that almost all prostitutes come from one or more of the following groups: drug and alcohol abusers, the mentally ill, the mentally retarded, the poor, the uneducated, racial or ethnic minority groups, immigrants (especially undocumented immigrants). Many prostitutes were tricked or coerced into the trade by pimps or traffickers. Some were kidnapped outright. Perhaps the picture is slightly less dismal for prostitutes specializing in bdsm. Commercial "dominatrices" at least seem less likely to be under the control of pimps or madams.

Every attempt to restrict the power of wealth has been condemned as interference with "freedom of choice". Few persons today would say we should all have the freedom to choose to work for a dollar a day or to ruin our health on the job. Sadly, there are those who maintain women should be "free" to sell their bodies sexually to earn a living. Do you really believe that any significant number of women would be prostitutes, if they had other realistic choices? Go to http://www.rhapsody.com/jim-page/tracks.html?sort=track&sortdir=desc and click on the song "The Woman in the Windows".

If you think that prostitution is so much different today, take a look at this news item, from 2008. http://www.adn.com/crime/story/495605.html

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/24/2009 1:44:25 AM

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Every attempt to restrict the power of wealth has been condemned as interference with "freedom of choice". Few persons today would say we should all have the freedom to choose to work for a dollar a day or to ruin our health on the job. Sadly, there are those who maintain women should be "free" to sell their bodies sexually to earn a living. Do you really believe that any significant number of women would be prostitutes, if they had other realistic choices? Go to http://www.rhapsody.com/jim-page/tracks.html?sort=track&sortdir=desc and click on the song "The Woman in the Windows".

Do you really believe a significant number of people would be janitors, or roofers, or coal-miners, or migrant farm-workers, if they had other realistic choices?

Here's a hard fact: Our society depends on singling classes of people out, and limiting their choices so we can exploit them. Deliberately preventing whole classes of women from having any realistic choice is the only way some men are going to get laid, and plenty of those men have far more capacity to prevent those women from having realistic choices than those women have in demanding better choices. So guess what happens? Five-dollah, sucky-sucky.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/24/2009 3:36:05 AM

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As Judge Leaned Hand lived from 1872 – 1961...

Only the part within quotation marks was from Judge Hand. The rest was from me. I'm still alive. Judge Hand was not speaking specifically about prostitution. He was speaking about a certain mistaken notion of "freedom". There's little evidence prostitution has changed. Every study of prostitution, whether in places it is semilegal or prohibited, has shown that almost all prostitutes come from one or more of the following groups: drug and alcohol abusers, the mentally ill, the mentally retarded, the poor, the uneducated, racial or ethnic minority groups, immigrants (especially undocumented immigrants). Many prostitutes were tricked or coerced into the trade by pimps or traffickers. Some were kidnapped outright. Perhaps the picture is slightly less dismal for prostitutes specializing in bdsm. Commercial "dominatrices" at least seem less likely to be under the control of pimps or madams.

Every attempt to restrict the power of wealth has been condemned as interference with "freedom of choice". Few persons today would say we should all have the freedom to choose to work for a dollar a day or to ruin our health on the job. Sadly, there are those who maintain women should be "free" to sell their bodies sexually to earn a living. Do you really believe that any significant number of women would be prostitutes, if they had other realistic choices? Go to http://www.rhapsody.com/jim-page/tracks.html?sort=track&sortdir=desc and click on the song "The Woman in the Windows".

If you think that prostitution is so much different today, take a look at this news item, from 2008. http://www.adn.com/crime/story/495605.html

It is not freedom of choice when a woman is made to go out on the game by a third party.
When it comes down to freedom of choice there will always be someone somewhere looking to exploit that but that is where this argument ends.

I don't read the news because its hyped up propaganda that never shows both sides to a story..... so I will pass on the link you sent but ty anyway!
I believe a significant amount women and men for that matter choose to be in prostitution and a significant number of them are not drug and alcohol abusers, the mentally ill, the mentally retarded, the poor, the uneducated, racial or ethnic minority groups, immigrants. I am an example of that for I have never taken illegal substance, drank more than a glass of wine a couple of nights a week, suffered any mental illness or suffered from a poor education or retardation and I am a citizen of the UK but I was intelligent enough to use my savvy when I was left with a choice of working a 40 hour week and earning just enough to scrape by or working 10 hours a week and earning enough money to pay my mortgage off in record time, have a nice car (all paid for) and afford the clothes and holidays I desired. Why did I do it?....... simply because I could. It was my choice and my freedom to make that choice.

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RE: cash Masters??? - 9/24/2009 3:39:20 AM

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I am very new to this lifestyle so forgive me if this offends anyone, but this is what the thread title made me think of:

Speaking symbolically, in a Master/slave relationship if any one offered a payment of some sort wouldn't it be the Master? The slave is your property. If you own them, body mind and soul, wouldn't you be the one to buy them? A slave (in the litteral/historic sense, not the consensual power exchange sense) would never pay a master to obtain them.The Master would either have to capture them against their will or purchase them in some way. Of course, in that case the slave wold not receive the money. His/Her former owner or parents would!

I don't know. Maybe I am just rambling. It makes sense to me, if to one else.

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