RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny

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Leiren -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/17/2009 5:36:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Why, thank you! I am all for death being honorable and dignified. I ain't a hypocrite about that. You and I, obviously, have differing opinions on an honorable and dignified death. Selling tickets (as you mentioned in an earlier post) isn't dignified in my opinion. Suggesting that relatives whom you suggest should be compensated for the government killing off their loved ones doesn't qualify as dignified or honorable to me. I'm not sure what your real intentions are. I found it beyond the scope of my own beliefs to think you're actually serious. But you keep proclaiming that you are serious. This will be the last time I respond to any of your posts on this issue. Your stated opinions are offensive to me (not that you seem to care) whether you offend me or offend multiple posters. Maybe I'm the only one offended by you. Seems to be the case since I haven't seen anyone else object to your cavalier and callous attitudes.

Rule -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/17/2009 6:03:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Leiren You and I, obviously, have differing opinions on an honorable and dignified death. I have seen various terminal people in hospital beds and I have seen the inhumane way they were treated by the hospital staf. That was the primary reason for me to quit my medical insurance. I will rather die in a gutter than in a hospital bed. There have been plenty of Romans that paid for tickets to the games in the Circus and Arena. There are plenty of people that pay for tickets to soccer matches where players on the field kick each other into the hospital. There have been plenty of people that watched the various (world) wars on television and in the cinema. So yes, you may prefer that someone lies in a hospital bed and gets treated like shit by the nurses, and are in pain and suffering for days or years and you may call it dignified and honorable. I do not.

DedicatedDom40 -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/17/2009 7:13:56 PM)
We, as a nation, bury the most expensive bodies into the ground. Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. In fact, it just makes this nation poorer (or more in debt). Don't be too much of a cheerleader for the 70+ there, Panda. Yes, they are old and they 'survived', but today's crop of 70+'s also stole their present standard of living from the unborn. No other generation in the 232 year history of this country did that. The generations before them also wore the uiniform and died for this country, and they lived through tougher economic times, but they didn't borrow 10 trillion and hand the bill to their kids like today's retirees have done.

Arpig -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/17/2009 8:41:39 PM)
quote: This will be the last time I respond to any of your posts on this issue. Your stated opinions are offensive to me (not that you seem to care) whether you offend me or offend multiple posters. Maybe I'm the only one offended by you. Seems to be the case since I haven't seen anyone else object to your cavalier and callous attitudes. Nah, after a while you learn to expect this sort of thing from Rule. There's no point trying to debate him about his beliefs, they are set in stone. Mostly we just ignore him when he gets too far out in left field.

tazzygirl -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/18/2009 6:54:52 AM)
hi willbe, nice to see you back [;)] the purpose of the end of life couseling is as others have stated... to give them their options, explain every option, and to have the time to talk about those options before they are needed... not at the last moment. those decisions made by granny also prevent others from using granny for other reasons. a son has guilt over not spending enough time so he encourages the Dr's to "do all you can"... a Dr or hospital worries about the potential lawsuits if they dont... hell, a daughter lives with granny, and the house is in all the kids names... when granny goes, the kids will sell... see the incentive there for suzie to fight to keep granny alive?... many seniors want to go peacefully as possible... with minimal cost. they worry about the money, the children, the bills, the pain. many dont know about hospice, they have no clue how home health works. is it a death panel? if you can call the Dr and the patient a panel... what that talk does ... and that is ALL the bill offers is payment for the counseling.... is give information so that granny can make an informed decision based upon all the knowledge she was given at a time before she is so far under the pain and medications that her wishes can no longer be accepted by law.

Leiren -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/18/2009 6:10:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DedicatedDom40 Don't be too much of a cheerleader for the 70+ there, Panda. Yes, they are old and they 'survived', but today's crop of 70+'s also stole their present standard of living from the unborn. No other generation in the 232 year history of this country did that. Excuse me? The 70 + year old citizens stole something from the unborn? No. The people currently old enough to collect social security were forced to pay into it. They didn't have an 'opt out' choice. Now you're complaining that the inefficient government (Dems, btw), that forced our current seniors to pay into a social security system have now stolen from the current generation. Oh, please.

Leiren -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/18/2009 6:15:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig Nah, after a while you learn to expect this sort of thing from Rule. There's no point trying to debate him about his beliefs, they are set in stone. Mostly we just ignore him when he gets too far out in left field. Right. Glad to hear that. I have visions of him tearing flesh off the bones of the still barely living with his teeth and selling tickets to his show. Of course, the proceeds, go to the living relatives to compensate them for the murder of their loved ones. [:'(]

Irishknight -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/18/2009 8:22:21 PM)
My grandmother had a dnr order when she passed away. The doctors ignored it four times. The first time she slipped away quietly in her sleep with a peaceful look on her face. The other times she was terrifed. Don't count on legal papers to protect your loved ones. Be there at their side and make sure you know what they want. If anyone tries to do that crap to my dad when he passes, they had better bring a lot of help. There is no way in hell I will let them torture another member of my family that way. As for me, I would rather go out with a sword or a lance in my hand than ever go through that.

hizgeorgiapeach -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/18/2009 9:22:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Irishknight My grandmother had a dnr order when she passed away. The doctors ignored it four times. The first time she slipped away quietly in her sleep with a peaceful look on her face. The other times she was terrifed. Don't count on legal papers to protect your loved ones. Be there at their side and make sure you know what they want. If anyone tries to do that crap to my dad when he passes, they had better bring a lot of help. There is no way in hell I will let them torture another member of my family that way. As for me, I would rather go out with a sword or a lance in my hand than ever go through that. IK - I intend to be there, whether dad dies here at home or in a hospital - and they'd better bring a Tank, forget the "lots of friends to help them" if they attempt to go against his recorded wishes not to be resusitated. They'll need it. With mom, she didn't have a DNR, but had talked long and hard with me, with dad, and with her parents about what her wishes were. Dad and I followed those wishes. And to this day, her mother Still calls dad and I 'murderers" because we did what MOM wanted, rather than what The Bat wanted. (If it had been up to The Bat - mom would Still be alive, taking up space in an ICU somewhere, on machines to keep her lungs filling and heart beating... )

Rule -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/18/2009 9:28:02 PM)
[8\|] Or the deceased or his or her relatives may have decided to donate the proceeds to medical research or to medical charity. Who are you to despise these benefactors of mankind?

MistressDevito -> RE: Newsweek: The Case for Killing Granny (9/20/2009 7:01:48 AM)
My grandmother will be 97 in March and still insists upon taking care of herself. We need more home health care for the elderly so that we can take the burden off families trying to watch their loved ones die. *It is not easy. They took care of us all of lives. We need to be their for them.* *Respectfully,* *MistressDevito*

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