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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/16/2009 11:09:11 PM

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Because we can do it, I'm not so sure it's a good idea (Even if it's exactly what we want to say).
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Yeah; I'm legally allowed to hunt grizzly bears with a handgun, but I don't expect it's something I'm going to be going out of my way to do any time in the foreseeable future.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/16/2009 11:47:52 PM

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Yeah; I'm legally allowed to hunt grizzly bears with a handgun, but I don't expect it's something I'm going to be going out of my way to do any time in the foreseeable future.

So you never got to try out my 'tappen' theory or see what happens when you plug the bear's anus with your thumb? You could also try feeding it some indigestible food. There's more about it here and apparently it makes the bear feel sleepy.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/17/2009 7:57:53 AM

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Why do youse people do this - get an issue into which I can sink my teeth, into both sides !

Flipping off a cop is one thing, but in public, in front of witnesses it might adversely affect one of their seconday functions - that of a deterrent. It also demonstrates that you are incredibly arrogant or stupid, or both. There is a human being under that uniform, what sense does it make to piss someone off who has a gun and could easily make your life miserable ?

There are a couple of phases in use stateside to describe such people, one is "More balls than brains" and the other is "Young and dumb and full of cum". Actually there are too many to enumerate here, but those are a couple of the main ones.

As far as CM having some sort of standards, they do and I can tell you from personal experience. I ranted about computers, and literally I think on average, every fourth word was "fuck" or a form thereof. The thread got pulled but I recieved no warning. I take that as a sign that they were saying "That went a bit too far".

What people fail to realize is that when approached by the police, it is almost a litagious situation, or at least can become so quite quickly. Common sense should dictate how one behaves during such a time. It's not quite like being in court, but it is about one step away.

How about a job interview ? Why not take that fax that was going around years ago of the guy who's face was shaped like a large penis with the caption "Not all managers are assholes" ? And of course you have every right to hire a stripper for your Grandmother's birthday party.

Even though I may complain about these total lacks of common sense, it is still an issue. If I were a cop and got flipped off I would almost be justified in thinking that perhaps the person is intoxicated, prima facie evidence to support a good rousting. Then they find that joint under the seat. Who is stupid now ?

I am not arguing against the Constitution here, just the lack of common sense. (common sense seems to have become the oxymoron of the last few decacdes)

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/17/2009 8:06:29 AM

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If Kia was a stock or share she'd have lost no value during the GFC.

I have a question:

1st Ammendment is an ammendment to a document written mainly after - essentially - an uprising (that became a war).

After more than one set of atrocities by the Redcoats.

Who were, basically, the Law Enforcement of the time (their authority legally outweighed any Colonial Constable, right?)

soooo..............

did any Colonist that served any Founding Father (or even one of the Minutemen) ever swear or use foul language towards a Redcoat?

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/17/2009 7:45:51 PM

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Yeah; I'm legally allowed to hunt grizzly bears with a handgun, but I don't expect it's something I'm going to be going out of my way to do any time in the foreseeable future.

So you never got to try out my 'tappen' theory or see what happens when you plug the bear's anus with your thumb? You could also try feeding it some indigestible food. There's more about it here and apparently it makes the bear feel sleepy.

That sounds too slow. By the time it worked, the bear would have digested me. I'm currently working out an entirely new strategy, mostly having to do with preparing the bear a bowl of porridge that's ju-u-u-u-st right.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/17/2009 11:34:28 PM

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Yes, it's legally protected but........it's your word against the cop's. Believe me I know; I've been charged with disorderly conduct. I called a police officer a "cocksucker" during an argument. It was a guy I went to high school with. It was nol prossed in court, so I didn't get into any trouble for that. Of course, I had actually hired an attorney ( I wanted to embarrass the SOB during the trial, but that didn't happen), which costs me a sizeable chunk of cash, plus the money to the bail bondsman. So it was an intentional way to punish me without a trial, and said cop knew that. Going to jail sucks, even when it's only for a few hours. Going to court sucks. Whether you win or not, you still have to deal with the headache of arrest and court. Police officers with chips on their shoulder use their arrest powers arbitrarily a great deal of the time. They know they can get away with it. It's why you often see dumb, jock, arrogant assholes joining the police force. They aren't smart enough to do anything else, and it allows them a way to continue being a prick.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/17/2009 11:39:33 PM

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SBFY, you just don't know how to play the game well,,,,, yet.

It's not just me buddy, but the way the world is is startign to work out, just a little bit, for us commoners. For more details, I guess mail me, this is too much for a thread.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/17/2009 11:43:37 PM

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Happy thoughts of Johnny Tremaine.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 12:53:05 AM

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FR, after continuing read thru

While law enforcement still has its issues, historical perspective informs me that the 'police' used to be hideous awful. Say, during the Inquisition? (Of course, there weren't 'proper' cops 'til the 19th century, prior to that they were, essentially, the military of wherever, that is, the troops controlled by the local bigwig . . . )

& before 'modern policing' methodology was implemented, the primary method of 'policing' was to beat, torture, or otherwise coerce confessions out of whoever was thought to be the offender . . . . . & mostly, for most everyone, there was none of this habeus corpus stuff, no 'rights', no lawyers. You saw the judge after the confession had been extracted, not before, when he sentenced you. If you survived that long . . . . .

Yeah, thanks, I'll take modern law enforcement, as flawed as it still may be . . . . With continuing reform & improvement efforts, too . . . . . .

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 1:20:34 AM

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sECONDARY HAPPY tHOUGHTS OF tEDDY rOOSEVELT WHO WAS THE FIRST TO CLEAN UP POLICE CORRUPTION

(pertaining to Kia's post above RE no 'decent' police force in the USA until the LATE 1800's)

More than one attempt on Teddy's life due to his cleaning up the NY NY "Bobbies" of the "Boweries".

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 8:23:40 AM

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Hiltey, I see you have found the reason I pop the caps key off of keyboards when they are new. Try to hit the A and see what happens ? People always think my keyboards are screwed up but they are exactly how I want them.

Actually SBFY, what I meant was to play the game way before the court problem ever comes up, although I do fairly well there as well. Under normal circumstances if you can get it through their head that they are getting NO MONEY, you would have to kill someone to get arrested. And that's only if it makes the news. You think I am kidding ? Try this once, if able. Get arrested. I am sure you can arrainge this. When they get you to the station and offer you the phone call, don't use it, tell them "There is nobody to call". After getting bandied about for a short time, once released you are about as free as you can get. They catch people with drugs and everything her, driving illegally and speeding, drunk the whole nine yards, but I know people who have literally been thrown out of jail. The process does work. They hate to admit that it is a money game and each time they yank your ass is another chance for you to prove it. If they don't lock you up, there is no proof. If they lock you up and let you go after they find that there is no money forthcoming, you have just been afforded another chance to prove it. They don't want that.

I would recommend, thoug I will not persue the search myself because I already have it, for those who might like a laugh, lookup Chris Rock - How Not To Get Your Ass Kicked By The Police.

Other than that little informative segment just go through the wringer once and remember the three rules :

1. I have no money.
2. Nobody I know has any money.
3. See # 1 and # 2.

Like some of my cohorts and I, after these simple steps you will be the freest person on the planet. And just in case that doesn't work, learn the symptoms for some wierd diease and fake it, they will put you out on the stree faster than a dead rat. Then you are free, you can walk down the street with a gun smoking a joint, you can drive anything not in your name, you can have loud parties until all hours. My twenty warrants and I do it all the time.

So the conclusion is once in court it is all a money game, but out on the street with a cop on the beat it is a power game. DO NOT USE THE WORD SIR when addressing the cop unless it specifically fits in the sentence. You are not in the army. Of course common sense indicates that you do not use the word bitch in the same way.

Of course this in no way demonstrates just how radical I am. If you were to yell fire in a crowded theater, I would look around. Seeing no fire I would expect to watch the movie. After all if there is a fire way on the other side of the building what do I care ? Just put it out. Common sense is so uncommon these days. People will shout fire rather than putting the fucking thing out. So y'all can trample each other to death and I can tell you how the movie ended.

In the words of Kid Rock -"You'll never meet a motherfucker quite like me".

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 10:32:19 AM

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 11:17:09 AM

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PtC, that was fuckin' hysterical. Thanks!

Termy, I hear you. & I think you've got an excellent point . . . .

I've been convinced for a long long looooong time that the 'war on politically incorrect veggies' (ie, cannabis, coca, & opium) has been way more about being a jobs program for cops, prison guards, & related, than it has been about 'making society better' . . . . . . &, of course, prostitution suppression fits into this paradigm . . . .

Lost in that, tho', seems to be that the 'best' way to deal with the problems of addiction (to drugs, sex, or whatever) is a therapeutic / health-care approach rather than a criminalization one . . . . . & there will be a need to hire tons of new health-care workers when we finally shift our approach, so there's a big jobs program in training / hiring all those social workers & counselors & etc . ... (But we'll have to overcome some pretty pervasive & extensive anti-psychology / psychiatry / dealing-with-mental-illness resistance stuff we have here in the US, first .. . . .)

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 2:55:27 PM

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 2:57:18 PM

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Sheesh, amateurs these dayz, I'm a tellin' ya. You get the bear drunk to steal the honey pot. Every redneck learns that while suckling from the moonshine jugs.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDamnedPanda

Yeah; I'm legally allowed to hunt grizzly bears with a handgun, but I don't expect it's something I'm going to be going out of my way to do any time in the foreseeable future.

So you never got to try out my 'tappen' theory or see what happens when you plug the bear's anus with your thumb? You could also try feeding it some indigestible food. There's more about it here and apparently it makes the bear feel sleepy.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/18/2009 11:16:14 PM

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"Hiltey, I see you have found the reason I pop the caps key off of keyboards when they are new. Try to hit the A and see what happens ? People always think my keyboards are screwed up but they are exactly how I want them"

well it would appear your nadlessly-snarky button is stuck in the "down" position...

i would suggest, in return, for yourself, hitting the "return key" that allows you to return to "something new" instead of the hotkey function merely helping you make a snipe that is more wrinkled and with lower-hanging-balls than the ones seen on BBS boards back in the late 80's.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/19/2009 1:43:38 AM

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I don't understand, I was not being snarky. I REALLY do pop off the the caps key, and that is because I have a tendency to hit it when I hit the A. I also do not type properly I look at the keyboard, not the screen. I really did not mean to be snarky, and I still say, take a damn butterknife and pop that thing off. I know you did not mean to go caps, easily evidenced by the fact that letters that should be caps strangely weren't. This because obviously you hit the shift key at the time. Caps lock inverts the function of the shift key, but only on letters, not numbers or other special keys, it is a real mess. What's worse is XP and it's helpful bullcrap, which I refuse to even rant about, it would take too long. I was actually trying to be helpful, if you caught it wrong, sorry.

If anyone really wants to get down to brass tacks, here it is. Every government in this world expects revolutions to start in the spring, the ones that work are usually (but not always) started in the fall.

What do you say to that ? Should we wait or just do it ?

It don't get much brasser or tacker than that.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/19/2009 5:14:37 AM

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"This because obviously you hit the shift key at the time"

so you are claiming to know all the various reasons for caps?

and the injokes regarding caps, that come from, say screenwriting boards?

and you are 100% you'd know a script-injoke that someone previously on such a board would make, if they did that here?

That strikes me to be as absurd as it would be for someone assuming your username was spelled in an illiterate Gen Y ignoramus texting-manner because "you obviously cannot spell 'terminator' correctly.

which is not the case, right?

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/19/2009 6:29:39 AM

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Actually SBFY, what I meant was to play the game way before the court problem ever comes up, although I do fairly well there as well. Under normal circumstances if you can get it through their head that they are getting NO MONEY,

Term, cops in the South are different from up there. Trust me, they are. When I was 16, a childhood buddy of mine moved to Buffalo, New York. He had been in trouble down here. He smarted off to a cop, and they beat the shit out of him (he smarted off to them). When he moved to Buffalo, he got in trouble for the same thing (drinking underage). His new NY buddies smarted off to the cops and made fools of themselves. He conducted himself like a gentleman and tried to keep his pals in check. When his mom showed up to post his bail, a Buffalo cop commented on how polite he was. She said, "Well that's because the "po-leese" beat the shit out of you for being a wise ass where we come from The said Buffalo cop nodded.

Southern cops are different from y'all Term. You don't pull that shit down here. They don't give a fuck about rights.

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RE: 'F*** tha Police' as Protected Speech - 9/19/2009 11:43:02 AM

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While I hear what you're saying (I specifically was thinking of southern cops siccing dogs & turning hoses on protesters in the South during the Civil Rights marches & the preceding decades of Jim Crow segregation & etc during much of this thread), I note that the number one tool for police reform (in my opinion, of course) is getting sued.

& typically how it works is that the city gets sued (or county for sherrifs, etc) & that that gets reforms enacted . . . . . It's a slow process, but I do note that law enforcement no longer participates in lynchings, for instance, something they were participating in (informally) as little as 60 or 80 years ago . . . . .

& beating is not overt anymore. It is covert, covered up, hidden, & it is aberrant from LE's perspective too. The broad acceptance for just beating people that one believes one can get away with beating is not embraced by some monolithic majority of cops, even in the South. Many pride themselves on being professionals, detached, models of appropriate behavior.

& there is a movement going on (barely perceptible to the public, I think) to raise police standards & training. A movement pushed along by every lawsuit of the injustly beaten. Especially if they die, & it's grieving kin doing the suing. (The money's bigger, & the victims generally far more sympathetic than whatever patheticness the dead miscreant had going on in his life . .. . . .) & since cops have been so reliable for losing control & acting inappropriately for so long, it's inevitable that there is a cumulative force of lawsuits pushing, pushing, pushing despite all the cronyism & corruption that can be found behind the thin blue line .. . ..

If ya wanna see impressively abusive policing it's better to look beyond the South, they're pissant as compared to, say, Saudi Arabia or Pakistan or hosts of other countries with very repressive systems in place & darn little in the way of accountability structures such as lawsuits . . . . .

ETA: & I don't know about Southern cops being worse behaved than NY cops. NY cops are kinda famous for their own out-of-control ways .. . . . & NYC cops in particular are kinda infamous for being abusive . . ... .

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Term, cops in the South are different from up there. Trust me, they are. When I was 16, a childhood buddy of mine moved to Buffalo, New York. He had been in trouble down here. He smarted off to a cop, and they beat the shit out of him (he smarted off to them). When he moved to Buffalo, he got in trouble for the same thing (drinking underage). His new NY buddies smarted off to the cops and made fools of themselves. He conducted himself like a gentleman and tried to keep his pals in check. When his mom showed up to post his bail, a Buffalo cop commented on how polite he was. She said, "Well that's because the "po-leese" beat the shit out of you for being a wise ass where we come from The said Buffalo cop nodded.

Southern cops are different from y'all Term. You don't pull that shit down here. They don't give a fuck about rights.

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