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RavenMuse -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/19/2009 4:49:12 PM)

If the only thing they have to offer is cock size (Real or imagined) then they haven't got much value for anyone have they! Can't say it has ever came up in discussion with ANY prospective girl in over 25 years, not for Ownership nor for play partners.



MMagic -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/19/2009 5:52:54 PM)

Ok another big one coming here. (No pun intended).  I have to agree with the cock out of context thing.  I might, I say MIGHT enjoy watching someone who was I into.  But yeah random strangers who's name doesn't begin with Keanu and end with Reeves...not so much.

And Mars, Porcelaine is dead on.  How can you expect to have physical intimacy when you've started off with a lie?  I understand you though. And I think women out there who can't be honest and just say, before they get you in a vulnerable position, that they like their twig and berries bigger, should be shot.  I might be pissed at a guy for saying he doesn't like my body type but I'd hate it even more if he waited til the middle of sex and said, btw..I don't like your....

In these instances honesty is always going to work to your advantage.



littlewonder -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/19/2009 6:46:07 PM)

I actually would expect a man to overexaggerate the size of his penis. I see it almost as a given so if he did tell me he was 8" and then once we're in bed I find out he's 8", it's not a big deal to me.

Men exaggerate. It happens. I don't think that just because he lied about that then he might lie about other things. It's a penis..just a penis. People exaggerate about all kinds of things...5 or 10 lbs here or there, a smaller or larger cup size than they really are. It's not gonna make one bit of difference to me really.

I just see it as a given.



porcelaine -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/19/2009 7:05:10 PM)

and yet these same men complain when a woman neglects to mention she's a few years older or a few pounds heavier. we have a crap load of threads attesting to this. but lying about your money maker is okay? pot + kettle = are you fucking kidding me?

people should simply start telling the truth. it makes relating a lot easier. no one wants to feel they've been duped or had a bait and switch performed. if i talk to a guy i really like that is a die hard c cup fan do i wait until we're getting naked and my top comes off to reveal i'm a double d instead? and what do you say then? oopsie. [8|]

i think all the excuses are a bunch of bull and people say a whole lot until they're standing on the tail end of someone else's lie. then we get all the woe is me nonsense, he lied, yadda yadda. just save yourself the thread and be honest from the start. it really works. promise.

porcelaine



kallisto -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/19/2009 8:08:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DavanKael

I do care about size and I make no apologies about it.  
Oh, and the penis being pretty to look at rocks too.  And, I'll also note that girth is important as is length.  Plus, some angles are more desirable than others.  Lol, yeah, it matters to me.  ;>  Yeah, I think penises that interest me are neat < giggle >!  :>  

I've never had a guy I've been with lie to me about his penis size.  I would be extremely pissed if that happened and he'd be going away.  Also, I don't believe I would be satisfied with less than average and I don't like the aesthetics. 

As for the watching a guy 'wanking on cam', actually, I will absolutely cop to being turned on by the idea of watching a guy I at least know and like (Or more) touch himself be it on cam, in front of me, whatever.  Random strangers: not-so-much.  Nice energy of power and/or vulnerability about the act.  Not to mention, if the person is a guy I'm considering being sexual with or have been sexual with, chances are, he excites me.  It pleases me to be excited, so why wouldn't I want to watch?!  Oh, yeah, and I love to watch, lol! 

Davan


Davan, you've saved me quite a bit of typing.   (I didn't quote you entirely simply because I can't attest to the rest)  [:)]  Thank you. 

Just to add .. as many women hollar that size doesn't matter, there are just as many that think it does.  Now whether they will admit to that or not is something different.    I'm not starting out a relationship with a lie of any kind .. in my opinion, no man worth his salt would lie about his cock size.

  



DesFIP -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/19/2009 8:53:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: wineDineNtieMe
Let's wrap this puppy up now... My point is; everyone has emotional scars, that is not an excuse for lying about what a guy is packing between his legs.


Didn't say it was a good thing or an acceptable excuse. Just said that when the op asked why, this is my understanding of why they do it. The Man's out of town today so I can't ask him but I'm guessing this based on conversations he's held with me.

And I am curious if people here get out of the shower and go "Eek, I don't look like Demi Moore". Because it would never cross my mind.



Acer49 -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/19/2009 11:05:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MMagic

Alright,

So I'm up, enjoying the day, spending time with my sub friends here and off of CM and we are talking about a subject that always baffles women.  Or at least us.  Why exactly do men lie about the size of their junk?  Do they not realize when you see it you're gonna KNOW they lied?

The only man who has an 8 and a half inch who haa that I have physically seen with my own eyes, is the one I'm married to.  But just because you have a 747 doesn't mean you know how to land it.  Now..that being said I was never one to be all into a guy having to have the biggest...just know what you're doing and it's fine. Had more than my fair share of those who are delusional and think they are big and are banging away like crazy thinking they are doing something.  But I don't get the whole lie about it thing and I don't get why you just don't play to your strengths.  If you're not big then work with what you got and learn that all women are different.

I just don't get it.  I don't have big boobs, I'm not in the BEST shape, but I know how to work with what I got and I play to my strengths. What is up with the lying out there guys?  I think that's the first breach of trust if you tell your sub or imply being a certain size and then she or he finds out it was a lie...anyone care to explain or is this too touchy a subject?

-Mag



Well I am a bit confused, I would think that if a man were to have to lie about his size, it would not be a discussion he would bring up voluntarily. I would therefore assume that someone is asking about their size; and if size is of no major importance, why are people asking?















CelticPrince -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 3:38:33 AM)

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Alright,

So I'm up, enjoying the day, spending time with my sub friends here and off of CM and we are talking about a subject that always baffles women. Or at least us. Why exactly do men lie about the size of their junk? Do they not realize when you see it you're gonna KNOW they lied?

The only man who has an 8 and a half inch who haa that I have physically seen with my own eyes, is the one I'm married to. But just because you have a 747 doesn't mean you know how to land it. Now..that being said I was never one to be all into a guy having to have the biggest...just know what you're doing and it's fine. Had more than my fair share of those who are delusional and think they are big and are banging away like crazy thinking they are doing something. But I don't get the whole lie about it thing and I don't get why you just don't play to your strengths. If you're not big then work with what you got and learn that all women are different.

I just don't get it. I don't have big boobs, I'm not in the BEST shape, but I know how to work with what I got and I play to my strengths. What is up with the lying out there guys? I think that's the first breach of trust if you tell your sub or imply being a certain size and then she or he finds out it was a lie...anyone care to explain or is this too touchy a subject?

-Mag


Mag,

An interesting subject indeed! I have read through all the posts and of course a very high percentage are from fems, so I will join in with the few D's represented and add my comments. Being male I do not get that sort of lie to consider and I will not present as this time the other side of the fence.
I think it is true that males are weaned on the principal that cock size is important as an expression of their maleness as brought out by a couple observations re gym classes etc
I think you understand that size can vary with the situation; and that is brought on by pure mental stimulations. There used to be an old adage that went like this...... "The angle of the dangle is directly proportional to the heat of the meat"
If i cock is fully pumped it can indeed be larger at times than others and therein may lie some of the issues that some posters have.
Now what is size?? most equate it to length but girth is important also; but it is also a function of body chemistry and that annoying valve that consticts blood outflow and thus can affect size.
Size rarely comes up in conversation but if it does I answer very clearly 8 inches and cut. I think that is only abit above average so no big deal but being in the catagory of Dominant Emeritus over the years I have lost some girth due largely to the damn valve but I will not resort to aids like a cock ring etc; it more like what you see is what you have to deal with and if that does not interest you, have a good life!
As to thoise that complain about honesty, there is that point about glass houses.

CP



allthatjaz -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 4:12:26 AM)

I was wondering how one measures the cock?
If you do it from the front its going to be shorter than if you measure it from the back because at the back the cock continues underneath.

To be honest I have never been told beforehand the size of a mans cock and I have never asked.
Neither have I been asked if I have a neat small inner labia or a big one.



Eigenaar -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 4:43:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Steelslilbit

Great topic, and excellent posts!!!  i'm in total agreeance.  But with one thing i'd like to add from my own opinion.  If i were to get with a guy, Dom or vanilla....wouldn't matter either kind of relationship....and found out he lied to me about the size of his penis?  It'd be over in a heart beat.  No matter what else is going on in the relationship the one thing i've never been able to deal with is lies of any kind.  If a guy can lie to you about something that is actually as insignificant as the size of his equipment eventually he will lie to you about something else.  Once the trust is gone?  Adios dude, i'm outta here.  No trust, no relationship, end of my story. 

Sorry if this sounds kinda harsh, but i absolutely HATE being lied to.

lil bit
You never lied?
quote:

ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

I was wondering how one measures the cock?
If you do it from the front its going to be shorter than if you measure it from the back because at the back the cock continues underneath.
You measure it were it is shorter.

I furthermore thought about the fact I read submissives say it is not about the size but what is done with it and that a lot of us here feel it is the role of the submissive to please. I guess we all know about dominants not allowing the submissive partner to orgasm and female submissives claiming they don't like vanilla partners do their best to make them come. One would think size and what is done with it matters less in this context.



RavenMuse -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 5:24:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

I was wondering how one measures the cock?
If you do it from the front its going to be shorter than if you measure it from the back because at the back the cock continues underneath.


Never done it Myself but a couple of My girls have done so over the years and they measured from the front/top... which makes sense... it isn't going to go in any further than that so surely that is the measurement that counts.

quote:

To be honest I have never been told beforehand the size of a mans cock and I have never asked.


Just going from this thread... perhaps a difference in culture? The Brit responses indicate it simply doesn't happen over here. Certainly even with the nilla's I know if someone tried that as a selling point they would get laughed at rather than taken seriously.



DesFIP -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 6:32:30 AM)

RM, I'm 54 and I can assure you nobody has ever said to me "I've got 9 inches, how about we go to bed?". I'm wondering about how and why this kind of discussion comes up. Because it wouldn't encourage me to continue talking to him if this is his idea of how to get connected.



RavenMuse -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 6:49:15 AM)

I can't imagine the kind of discussion/ chat-up that would lead there either, but obviously it does for some.... but then I don't get how sending someone "a/s/l?" is supposed to lead to a discussion either. If it isn't a culture thing, maybe its an age thing?



Drifa -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 7:14:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
RM, I'm 54 and I can assure you nobody has ever said to me "I've got 9 inches, how about we go to bed?". I'm wondering about how and why this kind of discussion comes up. Because it wouldn't encourage me to continue talking to him if this is his idea of how to get connected.


I've encountered this as a pickup line just once.  I was sitting in a gay bar, at the bar, reading a novel while waiting for the drag show to start (a relative was doing a drag number that night). A man nearby in business clothes came over to me, explained nervously that "I am not really gay, I just come here because the drink prices are good."  I was polite, but not encouraging. He persisted, and I told him, with good eye contact, "You may not be gay, but I am. I am not interested. Thank you."  That's when he trotted out the line "But I have a 9-inch pecker!"  I was excruciatingly rude in reply, and asked the bouncer to get rid of him, which was done with some alacrity.

Why this stuck with me was that I had already said, in clear terms with no ambiguity "NO", and he thought that by mentioning that his penis was 9 inches long was somehow going to change my mind. Sheesh!




LookieNoNookie -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 7:32:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

RM, I'm 54 and I can assure you nobody has ever said to me "I've got 9 inches, how about we go to bed?". I'm wondering about how and why this kind of discussion comes up. Because it wouldn't encourage me to continue talking to him if this is his idea of how to get connected.


I've got 9 inches, how about we go to bed?



Phoenixpower -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 7:43:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MMagic
How can you expect to have physical intimacy when you've started off with a lie? 

In these instances honesty is always going to work to your advantage.


Totally agree to that one. Though slightly in a different context. Last year I had some meetings in another country and once the profile stated 286lbs...so I thought ok...the guy taller then myself and heavier then myself will be similar to me...gosh did I regret that I did not double check the bloke via webcam at first [&o] As in reality he was somewhere around 450lbs...and yes it did put me off...(was one of many aspects which did put me off, not the only one).

Another meeting, where you thought it can't get any worse and where you consider yourself as having done all your homework was figured out as being in a wheelchair and had made sure that I won't see that via webcam...and that again, was just one of many sick behaviours he displayed when we met.

So starting off with a lie is not getting anyone anywhere with me.

It was really refreshing when I met my current date the first time...finally a bloke who looked like his pictures and who behaved how he did via chatting over months before...wow...a guy who is true to himself...and I am still dating him these days...actually when I waited for him at the airport I even realised that I got nervous, because there was one bloke looking quite different to my date and looking a bit lost...I only thought "you are NOT my date..stay away from me...", kind of "it can't have gone so wrong once again!!!"

However, a moment later my Date A came out of the traveller area and so the relief did set in. I never got and will never get why blokes think such a lie is completely alright...if they would have been honest from the beginning it might not even have bothered me much but lieing that big is quite out of order when they expect you to trust them.




kiwisub12 -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 8:38:57 AM)

Can't say that i have ever discussed the size, lenght or girth of a penis at the beginning of a relationship either. I would have to wonder about the caliber of man who would bring it up.



slavekal -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 8:39:14 AM)

Why do women lie about their weight and age? 
Why do women fake orgasms?...They think we care...OH!



porcelaine -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 8:50:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: slavekal

Why do women lie about their weight and age? 
Why do women fake orgasms?...They think we care...OH!


men aren't that forthcoming about the age thing either. most assume women don't care. or maybe i have the dumb luck of finding these sort on the other side. [;)]

as for faking an o, i don't bother. i'm more inclined to direct than give him a false sense of confidence that will have me frustrated later on. see the truth serves us both quite well in those instances.

just because you're insecure doesn't give you the right to advertise your goods falsely. it really isn't that hard to understand. but people will always justify things to suit their way of thinking until they experience the same at their expense.

porcelaine



porcelaine -> RE: The BIG Lie.... (9/20/2009 8:53:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

Totally agree to that one. Though slightly in a different context. Last year I had some meetings in another country and once the profile stated 286lbs...so I thought ok...the guy taller then myself and heavier then myself will be similar to me...gosh did I regret that I did not double check the bloke via webcam at first [&o] As in reality he was somewhere around 450lbs...and yes it did put me off...(was one of many aspects which did put me off, not the only one).


this goes back to a thread i started not that long ago about keeping it real. you are clearly a class act because i can't say i would have been as generous if i'd be on the receiving end. a nearly two hundred pound difference isn't an oops or oversight. good grief. [8|]

porcelaine



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