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Mercnbeth -> President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 7:32:58 AM)
Who says the Obama and the White House don't pay attention to polls? [link=http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/09/19/2009-09-19_obama_administration_.html]In a stunning request, the Obama administration has made it clear to poll-challenged Gov. Paterson that the White House would prefer he not seek election to a full four-year term next year. "They expressed concern about his chances about being reelected and the likelihood his presence in the race made it more likely that Rudy Giuliani would enter the contest," the source said. "The preference is that he not run. That message was conveyed directly." Not enough to do so he decided to involve himself in NY State politics. Or maybe this is another example of what Jimmy Carter was referencing. Obama's formative years consisted of an "overwhelming" amount of time associated with a racist upbringing by a white mother and grandmother quote: The message to Paterson not only represents the White House trying to heavily influence a top state race, but also is a case of the first black president pressuring New York's first black governor to step aside. Let not forget, he's doing this while maintaining a full slate of public speaking engagements and TV appearances. Obama is doing ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos," CBS News' "Face the Nation With Bob Schieffer," NBC News' "Meet the Press With David Gregory," CNN's "State of the Union With John King," as well as an interview for Spanish-language Univision. He's considering a guest shot on Survivor Samoa, where like New York, he'll use his charisma and charming camera image to influence the votes.

tazzygirl -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 7:50:14 AM)
quote: A message about the race was delivered from top national Democrats at a dinner Friday night with Paterson, but it was unclear whether it was at the direction of Obama, one of the advisers said. The Democratic leaders spoke of a concern referred to as the "David Paterson problem," the adviser said. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32933950/ns/politics-more_politics/ Your article hardly paints Paterson in a favorable light. quote: Paterson has irked the White House several times. The governor, despite the historic nature of the campaign, initially endorsed homestate Sen. Hillary Clinton for president over Obama. Earlier this year, while it was clear Obama preferred that Paterson select Caroline Kennedy to replace Clinton in the Senate, Paterson picked little-known upstate Rep. Kirsten Gillibrand. His aides then trashed Kennedy publicly after she withdrew her name for consideration. More recently, Paterson went on a rant that racial bias was behind his negative coverage and claimed that Obama was the next target, a charge refuted by Obama's press secretary. Paterson took office in March 2008 after Eliot Spitzer resigned amid a prostitution scandal. While his poll numbers were high at first, they began plummeting over his handling of the budget, which dramatically raised spending and taxes and fees, and his handling of the U.S. Senate appointment. As Paterson has failed to resurrect his dismal poll numbers - 70% of New Yorkers, including 65% of Democrats said in a Marist poll last week that they don't want him to run next year - momentum has been building for him to step aside. Democratic lawmakers and labor union leaders have openly challenged and mocked him, with many saying they fear his weak standing could hurt other Democrats' chances at the polls next year. All the while, Cuomo has gone about his business while noticeably refusing to rule out a run next year. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/09/19/2009-09-19_obama_administration_.html?page=1 and the sources of your article are afraid to have their names reported.... while that in itself isnt much, it does make me wonder as to the accuracy of what they are saying. When they step forward, and come on record, then we have a story... until then... its inuendos at best.

Musicmystery -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 7:57:42 AM)
[decided to stay out of this]

tazzygirl -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 7:59:00 AM)
what fantasy? lol... im lost already!

Mercnbeth -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 8:05:08 AM)
Another source for you tazzy. In these times of unemployment, it's officially at over 12% now in CA, would you risk being a bureaucrat in the Obama Administration by letting your name be quoted? The Obama administration, fearing that Gov. Paterson is too embattled to remain at the top of the ticket, has sent a direct message asking him not to run for a full term as governor. Multiple sources said the White House and national Democrats, fearful about Paterson's performance, low poll numbers and increasing lack of support, had decided to suggest he not run again, accelerating a timetable for their plans after the governor went on a rant claiming his poll problems are thanks to a racist media -- in which he invoked Obama's name. "The message was delivered," said one source familiar with the events, adding that concern about Rudy Giuliani had helped drive the timeframe. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery We have lots of actual political problems in New York State. Lots. This fantasy isn't among them. Exactly the point, I wonder why the Administration fantasizing about the governor of NY State and investing time and resources on his election campaign. If the organized Democrats in New York don't want him they can make their feelings known in the primaries.

tazzygirl -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 8:22:38 AM)
Im not saying it isnt true. What i am saying is that with as much misinformation as the press has been shown to deliver, i prefer to see something a bit more substantial than "sources".

SpinnerofTales -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 8:28:10 AM)
quote: Not enough to do so he decided to involve himself in NY State politics. On the one hand, I'm not sure that I approve of the president mixing in state politics. On the other hand, Paterson did try to bring Obama into a very disagreeable comment he made on racism Obama repudiated the comment but I think that may have left him feeling Paterson was, for that and other reasons, a political liability to the party in general. I know many will but I have never expected a president to be completely uninterested in the well being of his party. It hasn't happened yet, and it won't happen in the future. In short, this is one to think about before deciding upon, from my perspective. quote: Or maybe this is another example of what Jimmy Carter was referencing. Obama's formative years consisted of an "overwhelming" amount of time associated with a racist upbringing by a white mother and grandmother Don't do that, Merc.. Don't do it. I know there are plenty who are going to take Carter's comments (with which both I and Obama have disagreed in no uncertain terms) and try to ride it like a pony at a little girl's birthday party whether it has anything to do with the topic or not. I have strong doubts that Obama's action was based on not wanting a black man in the governor's mansion. That is was brought up by the article doesn't mean that it is a pertinent point. Unless you actually think it a racially motivated decision, the comment is beneath you and the level of discourse that I have come to expect from you. quote: Let not forget, he's doing this while maintaining a full slate of public speaking engagements and TV appearances. Obama is doing ABC News' "This Week With George Stephanopoulos," CBS News' "Face the Nation With Bob Schieffer," NBC News' "Meet the Press With David Gregory," CNN's "State of the Union With John King," as well as an interview for Spanish-language Univision. He's considering a guest shot on Survivor Samoa, where like New York, he'll use his charisma and charming camera image to influence the votes. ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth Now this one I have to agree on. I have found Obama's love of the camera to be losing a bit of charm lately. At first, it was novel, it was a change from Bush who didn't seem to like talking to the press much at all, and it was kind of cool to see him making the rounds. After nine months, though, that novelty has worn off. Doing press conferences and granting interviews is one thing. Making the rounds is another. I'm less concerned about his survivor appearance than his plans to be a cast member on "Real World: Washington."

Mercnbeth -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/20/2009 8:55:12 AM)
quote: Don't do that, Merc.. Don't do it. I know there are plenty who are going to take Carter's comments (with which both I and Obama have disagreed in no uncertain terms) and try to ride it like a pony at a little girl's birthday party whether it has anything to do with the topic or not. I have strong doubts that Obama's action was based on not wanting a black man in the governor's mansion. That is was brought up by the article doesn't mean that it is a pertinent point. Unless you actually think it a racially motivated decision, the comment is beneath you and the level of discourse that I have come to expect from you. Spinner, Nope - I'm going to use it at every opportunity. The ridiculous aspect of racial connotations in this instance is no different than every example used for the other side. The distinction is, they take it seriously and too many buy into it. When it comes from sources such as the liberally sainted Carter, it gives the tangent source legitimacy. It's wrong every time, ridiculous every time and serves to increase polarization. In my opinion, only by pointing to the obvious irrelevance of racial motivation preemptively in every case, can the agenda based opposition be disarmed. Do it enough and perhaps people will keep their own racist philosophy to themselves. Do it long enough and the next generation won't have an example to follow. Let's bring it to the table ALL the time, in the most extreme and the most ridiculous. The more people who laugh at it, the more may 'get it'. BTW - "strong doubts" sounds a lot like "overwhelming majority". I have no doubt, there is no racial motivation behind the Administration's desire to remove Paterson from office. It's purely political. The reality of the situation is that it provides proof that there is no difference in Obama's political philosophy from anyone coming before him. It points to an equality that even Jimmy Carter can't deny - Politics & Political Agenda. Not better, worse, or race based. Simply politics as usual. True in this case, but were being lectured by 'experts' that it is racist when the "overwhelming majority" provide descent against the President on other matters.

Mercnbeth -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 6:36:24 AM)
The governor may insist he intends to buck the White House and run in 2010, but President Obama has fixed it so Paterson is the lamest of lame ducks and virtually unable to accomplish anything that might resurrect his poll numbers. In doing so, the Obama administration has done the seemingly impossible by making Albany even more dysfunctional than it already was - at least in the short term. New York Democrats were stunned by the Obama administration's heavy-handedness, noting it's the third time the President meddled in local politics.

servantforuse -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 8:12:38 AM)
I think that the Obama administration will have writers cramp sending similar messages as November 2010 approaches..

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 9:07:47 AM)
I don't see the big deal. This isn't anything new. The sitting president is the de facto quarterback of the national party, and it's not uncommon for an administration to call plays at the state level for what they perceive to be the good of the party on a national scale. As much as I hated Bush and Cheney (and criticized them at every legitimate opportunity), I didn't have any problem with this when they did it, and don't have any problem with Obama doing it now.

Mercnbeth -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 9:55:16 AM)
quote: I don't see the big deal. This isn't anything new. The sitting president is the de facto quarterback of the national party, and it's not uncommon for an administration to call plays at the state level for what they perceive to be the good of the party on a national scale. This representation has been floated a few times now. When did a sitting President from either party, request and/or pressure a sitting governor who hasn't been convicted, or even accused, of an illegal act or sexual scandal to not run for reelection? I consider myself pretty good at fact finding and came up empty. If its "nothing new" it should be easy to find one occurrence.

ThatDamnedPanda -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 10:46:22 AM)
Sure. It happened a few years ago right here in Minnesota. quote: Cheney called Pawlenty last year and encouraged him to stay out of the Senate race and run for governor. The White House backs former St. Paul mayor Norm Coleman for Senate. Pawlenty was less than pleased with the White House intervention at the time, but now says it was the best thing that could have happened. Link There isn't a lot of detail in that story, but it does have the basic facts. With those names as a search string, I'm sure you can find a lot of more in-depth coverage. It was widely reported here in Minnesota at the time, and as deeply hated as Bush and Cheney were here at the time, most people didn't react very strongly to it. People here jumped at every excuse to criticize that administration, but most of us just accepted that objectively speaking, it was an appropriate exercise of party leadership, whether we liked it or not. Edit: OK, re-reading your post, I see we've got a possible semantic obstacle. You asked for an example of a White House asking a sitting governor not to run, I provided an example of a White House asking a candidate to run for Governor instead of the Senate. While I assume you're intellectually honest enough not to quibble over the meaningless distinction, I'm equally certain others will seize upon the opportunity to claim that there is a significant difference. I look forward to hearing their logical contortions. My point is, it's hardly unprecedented for the White House to insert itself into political contests at the state level. It's one of the ways you keep your party on track and on message.

Mercnbeth -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 11:25:08 AM)
quote: There isn't a lot of detail in that story, but it does have the basic facts. It's not missing any, but it also doesn't compare. VP Cheney wanted him to run for governor, your link pointing to a fund raising effort on Pawlenty's behalf. From your source; "This governor's race is important to the president and to me, because we respect this man and his record," Cheney says. The involvement was not to berate or run Pawlenty out of office, it was to try to secure two offices, the Senate seat AND the governorship. Honestly, do you think that's the intent of this Administration with Governor Paterson? Does Obama have a cabinet post in mind? The Obama Administration wants Paterson out completely. They don't have him earmarked as a cornerstone of the next election. I think you know that and understand the distinction. It's not a semantic argument and I did seek any example of putting pressure on a standing representative to not run. Even with that consideration your example still doesn't fit the parameters. Pawlenty was NOT the sitting Senator, he was CONSIDERING a run. Also - He IS the current Governor. The "logical contortion" you seek is basic. He wasn't the sitting Senator, and the result is he was backed by the same administration in his successful run as Governor. I understand Cheney's effort to keep the party track and on message. The message was, we have other and better things for you. What's the similarity to the current, "don't let the door hit you in the ass" message being given to Governor Patterson by Obama's Party?

rulemylife -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 1:02:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth What's the similarity to the current, "don't let the door hit you in the ass" message being given to Governor Patterson by Obama's Party? I think he took someone's advice and decided not to "reward failure". You should be thrilled. [sm=rofl.gif]

DesFIP -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 1:05:57 PM)
Us New Yorkers would also prefer if Patterson not run again. The truth is, he was given lieut governorship as a reward for being a loyal party hack. It was never thought he'd actually have to do the job. And the job he got stuck with is way over his head.

Mercnbeth -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 1:14:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth What's the similarity to the current, "don't let the door hit you in the ass" message being given to Governor Patterson by Obama's Party? I think he took someone's advice and decided not to "reward failure". You should be thrilled. [sm=rofl.gif] What happened to the 'rulemylife' that used to provide a cognitive argument and reference sources in response to debate. Has your world so collapsed around you that this is your "win"? I'm as sadden as I am surprised to seeing you label the Democratic governor as a "failure". How soon will you apply those same standards to the person trying to remove him?

tazzygirl -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 1:17:32 PM)
Lies after Lies. Distortions of truths. Proof offered of lies and distortions that go ignored. and you wish to berate those who dont jump through your hoops of debate?

Mercnbeth -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 1:24:07 PM)
quote: Lies after Lies. Distortions of truths. There are lies coming from these sources? Reuters quoted the NY TIMES, just today representing and given as the prove source of the "Death of Conservatism!" You mean that was also a lie!? The New York Times reported on Sunday that the Obama administration is worried Paterson's unpopularity could drag down New York's Democratic members of Congress and the Democratic-controlled state legislature in November 2010 elections.

tazzygirl -> RE: President Of New York State Politics (9/21/2009 1:47:04 PM)
No Merc. You are good at spinning away from issues when its convenient for you to do so. You gave me a challenge, remember? I took up said challenge, and did damn well with it, proving my point. So, the Czars... proven. The Health care bill... so many lies and deceptions there. And yet you have to date accepted or acknowledged that they were lies or distortions. And you try and berate others for not wanting to play by your rules? Try playing the game as it is intended... a give and take. Ignoring what is so very obvious does nothing for your cause except make you look like Sanity more and more.

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