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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 4:51:03 PM   
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Unlike when Clinton was president the Democrats really do control the House and Senate now so it is possible to get 60 votes and a public option and I know Obama can do it. There is a way and deals can be made.

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Lets get Clinton and Carter to help ? Sure. Clinton couldn't even get his own health care bill passed. And Carter, lets not even go there. He also got nothing done while in office except screw up the economy.


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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 4:55:10 PM   
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Hopefully that party will become extinct and meaningless one-day.

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Tanenhaus is only the latest in a long string of people who've said that. Barry Goldwater was the first prominent voice to say so. Tanenhaus will be just as completely ignored by the right as all those preceeding him have been.


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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 6:05:30 PM   
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As long as they keep screwing with medicare for our seniors, ( who have actually read the bill ), this thing is doomed to failure. AARP has lost well over 60,000 members because of their support of this debackle. The 55 + vote will send those guys home if they vote yea...

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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 6:08:18 PM   
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Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto lays out a vision for America that is rooted in the Constitution and in the Founding Fathers’ vision of strictly limited government and individual self-reliance. As such, its message stands in stark contrast to the agenda being advanced by President Barack Obama, which includes a government takeover of General Motors and a government makeover of the entire U.S. health care system.

I don’t know why they haven’t reviewed this book but I think if he really wanted to know he would have asked them. Furthermore, I am not interested in blindly following ideology whether it’s on the left or the right. I am interested in what’s going to make people’s lives better. I am interested in being pragmatic and doing what works. There is something to be said about self-reliance of the individual but that is not what these corporations want for themselves. They are interested in free enterprise for individuals and protecting and maintaining the status quo and corporate welfare.

Look at the drug bill, what nerve these companies have trying to prevent people getting a better price for medicine by purchasing medicines from Canada. And yet when it suits them we are supposed to allow ourselves to be brainwashed with this free enterprise nonsense so they can make more money. They are for free enterprise and self-reliance of individuals when it makes them more profitable. But people buying generic drugs from Canada, they have to block that from happening because it means they make less money, even though it’s free-trade and they are supposedly in favor of free trade. I am so sick and tired of this hypocritical bullshit.

The truth is Bush is the one who was the tyrant when he was in office with his patriot act and all the other nonsense. I’m sick and tired of wasting my time with irrational right wing crap. The truth is these loons think the American government is illegitimate and they only have to answer to a higher authority which is God. That’s what they believe and it’s about time to call them out on this crap.

Introducing competition in health care with a single player option will reduce healthcare expenses, reduce the budget deficit, cover everybody with affordable health-insurance, reduce corporate profits for health-insurance companies and result in Obama being reelected to the White House with a stronger majority in the House and Senate. That’s the real reason Republicans are doing everything they can to prevent real healthcare reform.

One final thought, as Ernie Anastas would say, “keep plucking them chickens.’


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NEW YORK TIMES most influential Sunday sections — the NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW and the WEEK IN REVIEW.

You realize of course, that many New Yorkers point to these sections when people ask where are the NY Times Sunday cartoon pages.

Preaching to the choir who, based upon the inability to accomplish anything positive even with a filibuster proof majority, revert to their usual MO - someone else to blame. It is entertaining watching them squirm, finger point, and, especially in NY concerning the Governorship, self destruct.

But enjoy your reading and your head bobbing.

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A source so "influential" that a book they didn't bother to review #1 for seven weeks on those same pages, and managed to sell a Million copies to a "dying" group. Or maybe it was purchased by those on the liberal side of the aisle doing a WC Fields reading the Bible impression; "Looking for loopholes".
Without ever having been reviewed by either the New York Times or the Washington Post, Mark Levin's Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto has now sold one million copies. It debuted at No. 1 on the New York Times best seller list and has remained in the Top Ten on that list for 24 straight weeks.

The image of the three monkeys, hearing, seeing, speaking, nothing positive or trending conservative is the image provided by the NY Times.


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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 6:58:23 PM   
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Brain, you are a little off topic bringing up Bush and the patriot act, but I do find it interesting that Obama has not tried to change one thing in it. Maybe he knows something that you don't know ? Like it might be there for a reason.

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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 7:19:18 PM   
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Unlike when Clinton was president the Democrats really do control the House and Senate now so it is possible to get 60 votes and a public option and I know Obama can do it. There is a way and deals can be made.


Sure, Obama (and the "democrats") can do it. But they won't.  And when they don't, I hope we can all finally agree that this "public option" thing was one big charade. 

(Not that it will do us any good when we are all forced by big-corporate-brother to pay $5,000 annual premiums to insurance companies.)


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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 8:19:41 PM   
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Unlike when Clinton was president the Democrats really do control the House and Senate now so it is possible to get 60 votes and a public option and I know Obama can do it. There is a way and deals can be made.



Only 59 now, since Kennedy's death.






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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 8:23:15 PM   
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Sure, Obama (and the "democrats") can do it. But they won't.  And when they don't, I hope we can all finally agree that this "public option" thing was one big charade. 

(Not that it will do us any good when we are all forced by big-corporate-brother to pay $5,000 annual premiums to insurance companies.)




Isn't that the whole concept of a public option, to lower the ever-increasing rates on health insurance that have far outpaced inflation?

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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 8:29:50 PM   
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You mean ... *gasp* ... that not every single Republican is a criminal, or a sexual predator, or a "right wing nutjob" or a "marching in lockstep idiot" either.



Uhhhhhhh..................no..........................I think all that is pretty much true.

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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/21/2009 10:33:18 PM   
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Brain, you are a little off topic bringing up Bush and the patriot act, but I do find it interesting that Obama has not tried to change one thing in it. Maybe he knows something that you don't know ? Like it might be there for a reason.

Oddly th ething Obama knows that you don't is that bills repealing the most onerous parts of PATRIOT is presently working its way through the Congress.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/justice-act-would-roll-back-telecom-wiretap-immunity.ars

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RE: The Death of Conservatism - Bill Moyers Journal . P... - 9/22/2009 10:08:15 AM   
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Brain, you are a little off topic bringing up Bush and the patriot act, but I do find it interesting that Obama has not tried to change one thing in it. Maybe he knows something that you don't know ? Like it might be there for a reason.

Oddly th ething Obama knows that you don't is that bills repealing the most onerous parts of PATRIOT is presently working its way through the Congress.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/09/justice-act-would-roll-back-telecom-wiretap-immunity.ars

From your own link:

It's unclear if Obama will support the JUSTICE Act.


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