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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 6:28:27 PM   
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Zevar doesn't understand how the site works, bluefire. It was obvious to the rest of us that this was a fast reply to the op. All he saw was the tag which said it was a reply to you and his ego did the rest. Personally I thought your suggestion was good, something light that says she's thinking of him and no need to reply.

However personal problem, work problem or not, there's a time limit you can say "don't bother me, I'm busy". Saying you need to be out of touch for a couple of days while you deal with something is fine, six months is not. There is no reason he can't touch base with the op every few days giving her an update, asking for her prayers, telling her he misses her and hopes to talk with her soon. Disappearing for an unknown amount of time is not a good thing to do.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 7:05:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VeeTee

Not sure if I should post this under Ask a Master...but you all are always so helpful!

the Master is distant and distracted. sub asks if everything is ok between them. He says yes. He explains a personal situation that has him distracted and He's dealing with it. This is a very new relationship. He knows that the sub has an especially weak spot when it comes to communication. After establishing a pattern of regular communication with her, He has now created distance between them through abandoning said regular communication. A sentence here or there. Superficial topics. This is why she asked him if he was ok - obviously things were different.

Ok, to my question: sub feels like she should be patient and support him through his personal, distracting situation. On the other hand, sub feels like he knows he is hurting and confusing her through his lack of communication. She is thinking the worst. She feels like she is being a) punished for something, b) simply ignored and not thought about and/or c) on the verge of being released. SO...it seems especially in the early days of a D/s relationship, it is the Dom's responsibility to nurture and take care of his sub as she has been responsive, genuine and obedient to him. Should he be letting her twist in the wind this way? Is it Ok that he knows she must feel sad and confused? How many times should she ask him if everything is OK?


From my end, it depends on the circumstances and as they say, it's all in the details. A "personal situation" could range from "my parents just died" to "my boss is giving me grief at work" ... one would obviously demand more consideration than the other. Lack of communication could be "we used to talk every day, now I only get a couple of e-mails a week" or "we've had no contact for three months".

People react very differently to stress. Some people feel the need for constant interaction and distraction (the "party 'til you drop" method of dealing with something unpleasant is a good example). Some people become angry and aggressive. Some people drink. Some people need to withdraw and process. Some people need solitude and distraction (the 'play a video game' or 'read a book' method).

Early on in a relationship, it's very difficult to gauge what's going on even under normal circumstances and under stressful circumstances unusual behaviors manifest. Someone seemingly outgoing and cheerful can become sullen and withdrawn. Someone quiet and passive can suddenly act angrily.

If your Dom has explained the situation to you, my first thought would be to ask what you can offer. Is it possible to be supportive in a helpful way? I don't think it's beyond the pale to get a sense of how long this situation will continue. What the time frames are. A relationship should be near the top of someone's priority stack and clear communication about issues that affect the relationship shouldn't be an excessive demand.

If you haven't already, I would express your concerns - not in an accusatory fashion - but more in a factual matter-of-sense way. If you're terrified that you're on the verge of being released, saying so and asking for some assurance that this not the case would certainly be a wake up call for me that my sub was starting to fly apart.

quote:

ORIGINAL: VeeTee

If he is so distracted by his situation, should he be taking on the responsibility of a new sub in the first place? ....hmmm, that is probably where the being release concern comes in...



That's trickier. If the situation could last for months or more than a year (i.e. I've just been stationed on a nuclear submarine and will be under the arctic ice cap until August 2010) it's probably not the best time to start a relationship of any kind. If it's something short term (Mom's 75 and broke her arm and I've got to take care of her, the household and fight the insurance company) then things should return to normal in a short period. Where the line is in these things is going to vary for any two individuals. The best I have to offer is to communicate your concerns as clearly as possible, get a sense of what it is he wants and where he sees things going, and work from there.




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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 7:23:16 PM   
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Thanks again, everyone. Just to clarify a few things...he openly shared what the personal situation is and I'm OK with that. I have a good assessment of the seriousness of it so that part is taken care of.

Really, the post was really more about me and asking as a submissive what should my expectations be...ie: just how much and for how long should I suck it up (or as kiwisub put it, pull up my big girl panties). As the Dom, he can take all the time in the world. He knows I'm here. So yeah, self-absorbed....yeah, I was feeling confused and sorry for myself. That's why I come to the boards...for help, suggestions and guidance. And I guess that's why I posted on the submissives site and not the Master's site - this was about my behavior, not his. He has talked to me and he will turn to me again when he is ready. I'm just looking for some help with how I deal with that.

And you all have helped and THANK YOU! You rock.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 7:28:18 PM   
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Hon I want you to go out and rent a really cheesy movie. It's called "He's Just Not That Into You."

I'm not being sarcastic, they actually make a good point in the movie. In a new relationship, if a guy is interested in committing to a girl, he'll do everything in his power to see her. Now you can always add "right now" to it, that yes he might be overwhelmingly busy and unable to put any effort into a relationship, but either way, he's just not that into you right now leads to the same conclusion - don't wait in the wings. I'm not saying you have to go out and find a new relationship but you might want to tell him something like "I really enjoy spending time with you, and I'd like to be with you, but right now it's not fair to either of us to commit. I don't want you to have the guilt of feeling obligated to force time into your schedule for me, and since the relationship is so new I feel this is the time when I should be getting to know you. I hope that (whatever he's busy with) works out for you and I'd love to go get a drink when your schedule gets back to normal."

It'll go either way. Either he won't want to lose you and he'll make time for you, or you can part amicably. Because it really isn't fair to either of you to take on a commitment when circumstances don't allow you to fully do so.

I wish you the best of luck hon.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 8:40:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bluefireeyez

Zevar,

Wow, I certainly hope that the entire post you just wrote was sarcasm, though the length and the rudeness makes me think it was not. Your assessment of me is a little off and it was inappropriate to address it on a different person's post. I tried to PM you but it says your profile isn't active.

That said, you do not know me. I was simply telling her that I understood and what my Master did. If you don't tell someone how you feel they're not going to know. However one contacting the other person excessively about it -especially when they are dealing with their own things makes it harder for them to want to address the issues.

You have much to learn about "feelings", personality, and behavior in general. I consulted my Master in a way so when He had the time He could address the issue. Previously we had talked at least once a day or I woke up to an email from Him that He sent before He went to bed. I didn't know it was going to happen and as such was worried. He addressed it in His way. A sub or slave wanting to talk to their Master on a daily basis is not unreasonable, especially when it was established beforehand that she would. Oh and just because someone is sarcastic blah blah blah in one situation or at one point in time does not mean it transfers to every thing/one.

Lastly, I don't need my Master to defend me. If you have an issue with me either keep it to yourself or pm me. I'm sure if this "little girl" can't handle it her Master will step in and address it.  


To the OP: I apologize about this post. I just needed to address what had been said.





bluefireeyez:

Just so you are 100% clear….I have no “issue” with you as we are strangers one to another. Nor do I have any interest to “know” you, nor did I claim to “know” you, nor would I ever care to “know” any female that “runs off at the mouth” and then thinks she is “adept“ when it comes to the management of “feelings.”

Hopefully one day when you live longer and emotionally mature you will come to understand and accept that “feelings” i.e. emotions have only the influence we give them. Behavior is a conscious choice regardless of “feelings” or emotions. Which btw every choice we make is our responsibility to be accountable for regardless of “feelings“ i.e. emotions.

Honestly speaking it is unfortunate that you were unable to distinguish the difference between the dynamic or the “deeper meaning” in what was said. Sad actually. Immaturity and insecurity raises its “hydra- head” again. The nature of unmanaged “feelings“ i.e. emotions. Inappropriately I might add.

I wish you well,
~Zevar~

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 8:45:29 PM   
Zevar


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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

Zevar doesn't understand how the site works, bluefire. It was obvious to the rest of us that this was a fast reply to the op. All he saw was the tag which said it was a reply to you and his ego did the rest.



DesFIP:

Wrong assumption. Not everything on the surface is the whole sum in all circumstances.

I wish you well,
~Zevar~

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 8:53:16 PM   
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quote:

Zevar doesn't understand how the site works, bluefire. It was obvious to the rest of us that this was a fast reply to the op. All he saw was the tag which said it was a reply to you and his ego did the rest. Personally I thought your suggestion was good, something light that says she's thinking of him and no need to reply.

Not too sure about that, Des. He had posted to the OP (and was not nasty to her) right before bluefire's post, quoted bf's post (fast reply doesn't do that), and addressed his rather nasty reply specifically to her. My inclination was to suggest that he might benefit from a bran muffin....

That said, I completely agree that bluefire's post was good. Nothing wrong with bringing up one's concerns, as you are simply providing information to the person who makes the decisions. Bringing up said concerns over and over would certainly be another matter, however.

ETA- LOL- confirmation arrived as I was typing, leading me to reiterate my bran muffin suggestion

< Message edited by WyldHrt -- 9/23/2009 8:58:21 PM >


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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 10:20:45 PM   
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Zevar,

I rarely read these boards and even more rarely comment on them.  It's not because they don't serve a valuable purpose; they certainly do, and many people receive valuable advice here.  Mostly, it's because of people like you.  The issue is that my time is valuable and I really don't want to waste it in taking the time to reply to your boorish posts.  This invariably happens, though, whenever I read the messages here.  You are a dime a dozen.  At least, that expression details how common opinions and intellects like yours are around here.  The saying falls short, though, in expressing your value.  A dozen of you is not even worth a dime.  Don't misunderstand me.  I really have nothing but the lowest form of respect for you.  Anyone who would post a blatantly offensive message to another person who was trying to offer caring advice to someone else is not worth much.  What do you think it says for your character?  Remember, I said my time is valuable.  So, the time I've taken to respond to you here is more than than 1/12 of a dime that you aren't worth.  Yes, I am clearly willing to invest more into defending a good person (bluefireeyez) and making sure that your ridiculous diatribes don't go unrecognized.  I also realize that I have mentioned the value of my time previously in this paragraph, and that I've even done it again here, but I can only assume that substantial repetition will be necessary for someone of your capacity to gain an understanding (even though this is a very basic concept).

As a final note, your opinions are clearly ignorant and rude.  However, your writing is even worse.  I would gauge that you must have no more than a fifth grade education.  Seriously, learn to express yourself in a mature and articulate way.  If my implication wasn't clear enough, let me restate that you are an idiot, and what's with all the quotation marks?

Please, no one tell me that this message was offensive and personal as well.  I am perfectly aware of that.  It was designed to be.


SD

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 10:31:59 PM   
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Wow, guess I really got worked up for that.  I very strongly believe that we simply don't need people like him in bdsm and in this world.


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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 10:34:22 PM   
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I completely agree with SoccerDom. Bluefire, don't pay any attention to this guy. He's a child.

Wyld's suggestion that he needs a bran muffin is a good one too, but that might not be enough for him. He needs someone to take his virginity so he can chill out.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/23/2009 11:16:24 PM   
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quote:

Please, no one tell me that this message was offensive and personal as well.

That message was offensive, and personal as well.
Nicely done, SD


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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 1:12:46 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: WyldHrt

My inclination was to suggest that he might benefit from a bran muffin....



Heh I thought that said brain muffin.

Either or, I suppose.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 2:31:16 AM   
Zevar


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ORIGINAL: SoccerDom

Zevar,

I rarely read these boards and even more rarely comment on them.  It's not because they don't serve a valuable purpose; they certainly do, and many people receive valuable advice here.  Mostly, it's because of people like you.  The issue is that my time is valuable and I really don't want to waste it in taking the time to reply to your boorish posts.  This invariably happens, though, whenever I read the messages here.  You are a dime a dozen.  At least, that expression details how common opinions and intellects like yours are around here.  The saying falls short, though, in expressing your value.  A dozen of you is not even worth a dime.  Don't misunderstand me.  I really have nothing but the lowest form of respect for you.  Anyone who would post a blatantly offensive message to another person who was trying to offer caring advice to someone else is not worth much.  What do you think it says for your character?  Remember, I said my time is valuable.  So, the time I've taken to respond to you here is more than than 1/12 of a dime that you aren't worth.  Yes, I am clearly willing to invest more into defending a good person (bluefireeyez) and making sure that your ridiculous diatribes don't go unrecognized.  I also realize that I have mentioned the value of my time previously in this paragraph, and that I've even done it again here, but I can only assume that substantial repetition will be necessary for someone of your capacity to gain an understanding (even though this is a very basic concept).

As a final note, your opinions are clearly ignorant and rude.  However, your writing is even worse.  I would gauge that you must have no more than a fifth grade education.  Seriously, learn to express yourself in a mature and articulate way.  If my implication wasn't clear enough, let me restate that you are an idiot, and what's with all the quotation marks?

Please, no one tell me that this message was offensive and personal as well. I am perfectly aware of that. It was designed to be.


SD


quote:

Wow, guess I really got worked up for that. I very strongly believe that we simply don't need people like him in bdsm and in this world.


< Message edited by SoccerDom -- 9/23/2009 10:36:31 PM >


Hopefully you are done publicly defaming, insulting and being personally offensive toward another CM member, myself, as you did in your postings quoted herein above. Further note you admitted to designing your message to be offensive and personal.

NOTE: Do not send me any further Cmail. It is not welcome. Nor are your public defamatory and insulting comments. Your malicous abusive behavoir is not acceptable.

Enough is enough!

I wish you well,
~Zevar~

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 4:57:20 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Zevar

quote:

ORIGINAL: SoccerDom

Zevar,

I rarely read these boards and even more rarely comment on them.  It's not because they don't serve a valuable purpose; they certainly do, and many people receive valuable advice here.  Mostly, it's because of people like you.  The issue is that my time is valuable and I really don't want to waste it in taking the time to reply to your boorish posts.  This invariably happens, though, whenever I read the messages here.  You are a dime a dozen.  At least, that expression details how common opinions and intellects like yours are around here.  The saying falls short, though, in expressing your value.  A dozen of you is not even worth a dime.  Don't misunderstand me.  I really have nothing but the lowest form of respect for you.  Anyone who would post a blatantly offensive message to another person who was trying to offer caring advice to someone else is not worth much.  What do you think it says for your character?  Remember, I said my time is valuable.  So, the time I've taken to respond to you here is more than than 1/12 of a dime that you aren't worth.  Yes, I am clearly willing to invest more into defending a good person (bluefireeyez) and making sure that your ridiculous diatribes don't go unrecognized.  I also realize that I have mentioned the value of my time previously in this paragraph, and that I've even done it again here, but I can only assume that substantial repetition will be necessary for someone of your capacity to gain an understanding (even though this is a very basic concept).

As a final note, your opinions are clearly ignorant and rude.  However, your writing is even worse.  I would gauge that you must have no more than a fifth grade education.  Seriously, learn to express yourself in a mature and articulate way.  If my implication wasn't clear enough, let me restate that you are an idiot, and what's with all the quotation marks?

Please, no one tell me that this message was offensive and personal as well. I am perfectly aware of that. It was designed to be.


SD


quote:

Wow, guess I really got worked up for that. I very strongly believe that we simply don't need people like him in bdsm and in this world.


< Message edited by SoccerDom -- 9/23/2009 10:36:31 PM >


Hopefully you are done publicly defaming, insulting and being personally offensive toward another CM member, myself, as you did in your postings quoted herein above. Further note you admitted to designing your message to be offensive and personal.

NOTE: Do not send me any further Cmail. It is not welcome. Nor are your public defamatory and insulting comments. Your malicous abusive behavoir is not acceptable.

Enough is enough!

I wish you well,
~Zevar~



Wow for someone who can dish it out, you certainly can't take even a pinch of what you try to hand out. Perhaps you should take your own lessons in maturity and "feelings".

Thank You SoccerDom for taking the time to help. And thank you to everyone who commented in a helpful and kind way as well, that is what we need!


To the OP: Have you been able to talk to him?

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 6:37:05 AM   
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Wouldn't the best thing be to not let this devolve into 'Cock Wars XXII' and just let the offensive ones flame themselves out, while the more sensible ones actually respond to the OP?

Just sayin....

I am glad you have talked to your Dom VeeTee and that you were really open to listening to some of the helpful suggestions people were tossing about here.  Good luck to you both.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 9:12:33 AM   
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Oh please, Zevar, I had no other option to reply to your comments because you blocked my cmails. What kind of person does that? The kind who wants to badger someone else publicly but not have to respond privately. Anyway, I'm done with this; it has gone way beyond my level of interest.

I do appreciate you taking my advice to drop the quotation marks though. Did you think that "you" appeared to be more "clever" when you were "using" them?

Finally, but more importantly, I do apologize to the OP if my interruption in any way prevented you from receiving any of the advice that you sought.


SD

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 9:35:18 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: puella

Wouldn't the best thing be to not let this devolve into 'Cock Wars XXII' ...?



I have that on DVD- its not as interesting as one might think.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 2:36:15 PM   
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I hope he gave you some sort of timeline for the resolution of his problem  -  or at least an idea when he will be able to devote a bit of attention to you again.

And i respect your big girl panties. It isn't everyone who can take a negative sounding comment and not get all bent out of shape (i myself am not so good at it ), and maybe take something positive from it.

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 2:40:22 PM   
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* does a search for the Cock Wars DVD

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RE: Distracted Master - 9/24/2009 2:46:12 PM   
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It brings to mind something like a misty morning on the moor, with two men , penis's at ready, waiting for the start cue for a duel.   Brings a new meaning to 'swinging dicks".

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