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Moonhead -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:19:46 PM)
I'm with looking: anybody who thinks that's a Christian attitude is further divorced from anything Christ said than Fred Phelps.

NihilusZero -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:23:25 PM)
Dogmatic belief systems weigh on individuals in different ways. They are willing impositions one places on him/herself in order to reap a presumed set of greater (usually intangible and metaphysical) rewards. The lady in the OP obviously has not adopted her dogma to where it supersedes her financial pleasures. In a response to it we have an example of dogma superseding the power exchange dynamic of another's relationship (and her ability to please). I actually don't think there is a correct answer or not, just ones which are more contradictory and ones where the individuals actual wishes and desires are amputated by their fixation on their dogma.

heartfeltsub -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:23:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: looking4princess My first thought in writing was about self-conflict and some have expressed interesting responses to that. Others have expanded the idea into conflict between partners, which is also very important. Thank you. I would love to hear more about the Whore of Babylon thingy but wasn't that the Revelation of John referring to evil Rome? Don't wish to get into that here, but i'd be grateful if someone would imagine a single Lady as WOB and tell us her story for fun grins But i am puzzled by the remarks of DV's Fox : quote: My Owner and I are both Christian. We attend services as regularly as work/school will allow. There is no religious conflict with anything that we do. I don't mean to be provocative here (well, i fib) but may i ask if there is no conflict because you do nothing untowards or is there no conflict because Christianity permits wiitud? It seems to me that the Christian precept of equality before God would preclude the Owner/property relationship you are in, and which i find mostly delicious. I just wonder how you reconcile the two. And if i am being too nosey just ignore me. lmao. It won't be the first or last time i have been ignored. Just trying to stoke the embers here Fox. To answer the bolded portion from my point of view, just because each person stands as equal in the eyes of God, does not preclude authority based relationships. There were Masters and slaves talked about in the Bible, both Old and New Testament. In fact there is in the writings of Paul, direct admonition on how slaves should serve their Masters. So the Bible specifically allows Master/slave or Owner/property relationships. heartfelt

hlen5 -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:24:17 PM)
The title of this thread includes fantasies too. In spite of a school of thought that says if you imagine sex with someone other than your spouse you have lusted in your heart (See Jimmy Carter), I think whatever goes on in your head is OK. On the other hand every action comes from a thought, so maybe fantasies that involve things that are immoral or illegal are not OK. Anyone care to wiegh in on the fantasy issue?

NihilusZero -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:25:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I'm with looking: anybody who thinks that's a Christian attitude is further divorced from anything Christ said than Fred Phelps. So it is impossible for a christian woman to be a financial Domme?

MmeRegineSybille -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:28:33 PM)
It is impossible for this financial Domme to be christian I think!

Lockit -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:29:07 PM)
Right on heartfelt! I was just going to mention that. lol

Lockit -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:36:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 The title of this thread includes fantasies too. In spite of a school of thought that says if you imagine sex with someone other than your spouse you have lusted in your heart (See Jimmy Carter), I think whatever goes on in your head is OK. On the other hand every action comes from a thought, so maybe fantasies that involve things that are immoral or illegal are not OK. Anyone care to wiegh in on the fantasy issue? My take on this is... and you can find scripture that could be used, which I won't do... is that we feed on our thoughts and those thoughts can betray us and hinder us if they are not pure thoughts. Now it could take a book to explain some of this and some have written those books... but still my take might be different. The bible encourages to think upon things that are good and as if they are, even if they are not. What you cannot see... believe in healing and in god period. So imagination is a part of love and how it is discribed in Cor. -the love chapter and a part of belief. When is says that it is a sin to imagine sex or sin in your thoughts... is actually meaning what is in your heart. Is it in your heart to do or is it a thought that came flashing through? When Jesus says you sin even if you think about it, I believe he is meaning a heart condition... a willfulness and intent, rather than a thought only. It gets confusing because we are our thoughts.. but just a thought can mean nothing... put heart or motivation and intent behind it and it becomes more. Ever think of what the paster looks like doing his wife? That is a thought... one that is hard to not think sometimes damn it! lol But it isn't an intent or heart desire to see, more a curiosity... or hell... demon's might be after you! [;)] lol

looking4princess -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:37:49 PM)
Firstly, can we agree that the Findomme was probably just an outright fraud? Secondly, may i remind you that the current Canon was not finalized until sometime in the fourth century, fwiw when you are citing it's authority. Thirdly, that means some books were left out..like the gospels according to Timothy and Mary. Fourthly, there seems to be no advocacy of female domination in either the Old or New Testaments, hey. Finally, yes a line of authority established in the bible and in human prehistory but just because we stand equal before jesus does not justify human ownership imho. We no longer advocate the divine right of kings after all. So, what about the WOB? *kidding

mnottertail -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:39:26 PM)
http://www.collarchat.com/m_2766298/mpage_2/key_awl/tm.htm#2767585 Next. Noah had several daughters that got him drunk and slept with him to get with child, (only one of the less than missionary stories in the bible) when they got off the boat. Near as I can tell, YHWH wasn't the least bit browned off at him or them. Ron (I could go on and on and on and on and on and ---well you get the gimmick)

VampiresLair -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:40:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: looking4princess My first thought in writing was about self-conflict and some have expressed interesting responses to that. Others have expanded the idea into conflict between partners, which is also very important. Thank you. I would love to hear more about the Whore of Babylon thingy but wasn't that the Revelation of John referring to evil Rome? Don't wish to get into that here, but i'd be grateful if someone would imagine a single Lady as WOB and tell us her story for fun grins But i am puzzled by the remarks of DV's Fox : quote: My Owner and I are both Christian. We attend services as regularly as work/school will allow. There is no religious conflict with anything that we do. I don't mean to be provocative here (well, i fib) but may i ask if there is no conflict because you do nothing untowards or is there no conflict because Christianity permits wiitud? It seems to me that the Christian precept of equality before God would preclude the Owner/property relationship you are in, and which i find mostly delicious. I just wonder how you reconcile the two. And if i am being too nosey just ignore me. lmao. It won't be the first or last time i have been ignored. Just trying to stoke the embers here Fox. We are absolutely equal before God. In the Bible, it states that slave owners should treat their slaves with kindness and never forget that they are all equal in the eyes of the Lord. To be more practical, the Bible states many times that, even in traditional relationships, people will have different, seemingly unequal roles...this does not mean that they lose their equality in the eyes of God, however. I hope that answers your question. DV's Fox

looking4princess -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:41:24 PM)
quote: Ever think of what the paster looks like doing his wife? That is a thought... one that is hard to not think sometimes damn it! lol Oh, too funny, Lockit!!

hlen5 -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:43:15 PM)
"Ever think of what the paster looks like doing his wife? That is a thought..." Lockit!!! EEwww! What makes that worse is I'm friends with them!!

looking4princess -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:45:31 PM)
quote: We are absolutely equal before God. In the Bible, it states that slave owners should treat their slaves with kindness and never forget that they are all equal in the eyes of the Lord. To be more practical, the Bible states many times that, even in traditional relationships, people will have different, seemingly unequal roles...this does not mean that they lose their equality in the eyes of God, however. I hope that answers your question. Ah, so are you saying the bible justifies slavery, even consensual slavery in the contemporary world? I mean, that's okay with me ... the consensual part...if that is what you are saying.

looking4princess -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:47:40 PM)
quote: "Ever think of what the paster looks like doing his wife? That is a thought..." Lockit!!! EEwww! What makes that worse is I'm friends with them!! Err, maybe it is the pastor's wife who is doing him in her panties... :)

Lockit -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:48:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hlen5 "Ever think of what the paster looks like doing his wife? That is a thought..." Lockit!!! EEwww! What makes that worse is I'm friends with them!! LOL.. then you are far better than I! lol

mnottertail -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:50:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: looking4princess Ah, so are you saying the bible justifies slavery, even consensual slavery in the contemporary world? I mean, that's okay with me ... the consensual part...if that is what you are saying. The bible encouraged slavery as the way of the world, click on my link earlier for an example.

Moonhead -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:51:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I'm with looking: anybody who thinks that's a Christian attitude is further divorced from anything Christ said than Fred Phelps. So it is impossible for a christian woman to be a financial Domme? Yep. I think Christ's advice to the rich man pretty much rules that one out. (Though given that most evangelists ignore this, it'd be unfair to hold a dominatrix to those standards.)

Lockit -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:52:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail http://www.collarchat.com/m_2766298/mpage_2/key_awl/tm.htm#2767585 Next. Noah had several daughters that got him drunk and slept with him to get with child, (only one of the less than missionary stories in the bible) when they got off the boat. Near as I can tell, YHWH wasn't the least bit browned off at him or them. Ron (I could go on and on and on and on and on and ---well you get the gimmick) There was also a story where a mother in law with her widowed daughter in law... unmarried at the time, told her daughter in law to go to the sleeping quarter's of a man she was not bound to... and lay at his feet. I have always wondered what could have happened there. lol But... they did end up getting married after that. lol

mnottertail -> RE: Religious conflict with bdsm relationships or fantasies. (9/23/2009 1:56:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: NihilusZero quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead I'm with looking: anybody who thinks that's a Christian attitude is further divorced from anything Christ said than Fred Phelps. So it is impossible for a christian woman to be a financial Domme? Yep. I think Christ's advice to the rich man pretty much rules that one out. (Though given that most evangelists ignore this, it'd be unfair to hold a dominatrix to those standards.) Well, I can counterpoint with the women who took off their shoes and spit at the gentleman because they did not take care of them, as a sign of respect........ Ron

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