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Elipsis -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 4:42:38 PM)
I'm looking forward to catching the swine flu and not dying so that I can then tell everyone who didn't get it that they're a bunch of pussies. It's damn near the Maddox approach.

pahunkboy -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 4:54:07 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Horowitz#External_links here is some about him. On the one hand he sounds like a thorn to the medical establishment. That could explain the odd response I got from the medical center. http://web.archive.org/web/20061024160532/www.lightstreamers.com/horowitz/An_Open_Letter.html <-- it seems he broke the 2001 anthrax thing. One of the links mentioned he graduated from Harvard.

pahunkboy -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 6:32:01 PM)
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/li-nurses-to-rally-against-mandatory-swine-flu-vaccines-1.1465858 New York nurses plan a protest in Albany NY

Level -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 6:55:31 PM)
I heard on the radio that Marilyn Manson now has it.

DesFIP -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 7:06:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Around non vaccinated. -- well I thought the vaccine fixed that? So it would not matter if near or not near others...as assuming the vax was effective it would shield against the virus. You folks need to study your history. Google Typhoid Mary. A woman who was herself immune to it, but carried it and spread several outbreaks. My kids wouldn't catch it but they could easily enough spread it to those susceptible. To avoid outbreaks you need a high level of vaccination in the population. I'm old enough to remember houses being quarantined because of a child with whooping cough, and the risk of death from the disease which is much higher than from the vaccine. Re autism: the latest study I know of says that the rates are much higher if the father is above 40. Which matches my brother in law and my cousin's husband, both older, both have autism spectrum children.

pahunkboy -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 10:28:35 PM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VKIikdfgzw go 2 minutes in. Where Drew Riegns talks about the Navy and the death of a captain

pahunkboy -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 10:35:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy Around non vaccinated. -- well I thought the vaccine fixed that? So it would not matter if near or not near others...as assuming the vax was effective it would shield against the virus. You folks need to study your history. Google Typhoid Mary. A woman who was herself immune to it, but carried it and spread several outbreaks. My kids wouldn't catch it but they could easily enough spread it to those susceptible. To avoid outbreaks you need a high level of vaccination in the population. I'm old enough to remember houses being quarantined because of a child with whooping cough, and the risk of death from the disease which is much higher than from the vaccine. Re autism: the latest study I know of says that the rates are much higher if the father is above 40. Which matches my brother in law and my cousin's husband, both older, both have autism spectrum children. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoid_fever Typhoid fever in most cases is not fatal. /snip it goes on to mention anti biotics. So the others in the household did not get a shot? or they did. Way back then people did not readily have hot water and good sanitation. Good sanitation is a must- but that is different then injecting people with a chemical soup of poisons. Lets now forget the one word everything in the past year boils down to. That word? "trillions" Wasn't she a cook in a tenement slum?

yourdarkdesire -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 10:44:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP Adults over 40 don't need the H1N1 vaccine, While I am in some agreement with Des, I must point out that you have to take into consideration the people in your life. Do I need it? Probably not. I'm relatively healthy and no longer work in the health care field. Does my other half need it? Probably not - he's pretty health too. However - I have a six year old diabetic in the house - which means that whether the rest of us "need" it or not - we're gonna get it. Cause SHE doesn't need to end up in the hospital. Unfortunately - as misinformation is spread and people become fearful or suspicious - the incidence of H1N1 will only increase over time. I am sure, pahunkboy - that when you land in the hospital and are fighting for your life - we might be able to put together a collection for a get well soon card.

DomKen -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/23/2009 11:10:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VKIikdfgzw go 2 minutes in. Where Drew Riegns talks about the Navy and the death of a captain He can talk all he wants. I'm in contact with a lot of active duty sailors and there aren't any such events occuring.

sirsholly -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 12:28:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ? (I'd imagine it's the same people who think that the MMR shots cause autism, come to that. I'd love to have a child suffer a dose of polio myself.) as the mom of an Autistic child, your joke is not appriciated.[>:] It is a proven fact that mercury can damage the undeveloped brain of an unborn child, hence the reason pregnant moms are strongly advised to avoid foods with a high mercury content. Since the brain does not fully develop until near adulthood, it was understandable that the vaccines containing mercury were suspected to be the cause of Autism, which generally presents when the child is between 3-5 years old. The MMR vaccine never contained Thimerosol or any other source of mercury. Mercury is the boogey man of the US anti vaccine crowd. MMR is the UK equivalent. Neither MMR nor mercury causes autism. did i say MMR Ken? Thimerosol was used as a preservative in certain vaccines (mainly DPT and flu vaccines) and was discontinued for the most part between 1999-2002, i believe. Thimersol is still used in inactivated flu vaccines. It was thought mercury toxicity was responsible for Autism due to the correlation of the average onset of Autism Spectrum Disorder and the administration of the vaccines. The "anti-vaccine crowd" had every right to question the safety of Thimersol...and good for them! http://www.healing-arts.org/children/autism-overview.htm#MMR%20Vaccine%20and%20Autism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy

Arpig -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 12:42:45 AM)
quote: In 40,000 hears of history- peace and harmony is the exception. Enjoy today as we cant know what tomorrow is. That's very interesting PA...but what does it have to do with my question? Its not the first time I've asked it in this same general context, and you have yet to provide any reasonable explanation for your continued existence and freedom to expose these people...after all they run the world, and have done so secretly for centuries, cunningly guiding and manipulating world leaders for their own nefarious ends...surely silencing somebody like you or Alex Jones wouldn't even cause them to break into a sweat...so what about it...how come they don't shut you guys up? Answer that in anything approaching a reasonable explanation and I will agree to take the various claims at face value and weigh the evidence more carefully...but in the absence of this basic bit of information I will discard prettymuch all of it as the paranoid ravings it is.

DesFIP -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 4:39:46 AM)
So he says he graduated Harvard. Has Harvard said he is a graduate of their med school? And if so, what ranking in the class? He also says he's a practicing Levite priest and I know that's a load of bull because there hasn't been a temple for Levites to preside in for over 2,000 years. Today, you probably wouldn't die of typhoid as long as you aren't fragile to begin with. Like a person with zero immune system because they're in the middle of chemo or on immune suppressants, or Type I diabetic, or under three years old or the extreme elderly. We have effective asthma medications and people still die of that. We have antibiotics and people still die of pneumonia. Prevention is a hell of a lot easier than a cure.

Moonhead -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 5:03:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule Ordinarily I would agree with you. However, there have been various indications that the people who rule us intend to use vaccins to sterilize men and / or women. If so, I hope they do so at random and do allow one to five percent of the vaccins to be safe. There's not been any evidence cited for any of these indications. If they were trying to get a eugenics programme rolling, it'd be a lot easier for the NWO (or whoever) to just deny vaccinations for potentially fatal diseases, wouldn't it?

Moonhead -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 5:09:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ? (I'd imagine it's the same people who think that the MMR shots cause autism, come to that. I'd love to have a child suffer a dose of polio myself.) as the mom of an Autistic child, your joke is not appriciated.[>:] It is a proven fact that mercury can damage the undeveloped brain of an unborn child, hence the reason pregnant moms are strongly advised to avoid foods with a high mercury content. Since the brain does not fully develop until near adulthood, it was understandable that the vaccines containing mercury were suspected to be the cause of Autism, which generally presents when the child is between 3-5 years old. The MMR vaccine never contained Thimerosol or any other source of mercury. Mercury is the boogey man of the US anti vaccine crowd. MMR is the UK equivalent. Neither MMR nor mercury causes autism. did i say MMR Ken? Thimerosol was used as a preservative in certain vaccines (mainly DPT and flu vaccines) and was discontinued for the most part between 1999-2002, i believe. Thimersol is still used in inactivated flu vaccines. It was thought mercury toxicity was responsible for Autism due to the correlation of the average onset of Autism Spectrum Disorder and the administration of the vaccines. The "anti-vaccine crowd" had every right to question the safety of Thimersol...and good for them! http://www.healing-arts.org/children/autism-overview.htm#MMR%20Vaccine%20and%20Autism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy I apologise for that: I was forgetting that the odds were in favour of there being somebody with autism or autistic children on a board this size. There are a lot of other causes cited for the rise in autism diagnosis besides Thimerisol in vaccines, though.

DomKen -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 7:30:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: sirsholly quote: ? (I'd imagine it's the same people who think that the MMR shots cause autism, come to that. I'd love to have a child suffer a dose of polio myself.) as the mom of an Autistic child, your joke is not appriciated.[>:] It is a proven fact that mercury can damage the undeveloped brain of an unborn child, hence the reason pregnant moms are strongly advised to avoid foods with a high mercury content. Since the brain does not fully develop until near adulthood, it was understandable that the vaccines containing mercury were suspected to be the cause of Autism, which generally presents when the child is between 3-5 years old. The MMR vaccine never contained Thimerosol or any other source of mercury. Mercury is the boogey man of the US anti vaccine crowd. MMR is the UK equivalent. Neither MMR nor mercury causes autism. did i say MMR Ken? Thimerosol was used as a preservative in certain vaccines (mainly DPT and flu vaccines) and was discontinued for the most part between 1999-2002, i believe. Thimersol is still used in inactivated flu vaccines. It was thought mercury toxicity was responsible for Autism due to the correlation of the average onset of Autism Spectrum Disorder and the administration of the vaccines. The "anti-vaccine crowd" had every right to question the safety of Thimersol...and good for them! http://www.healing-arts.org/children/autism-overview.htm#MMR%20Vaccine%20and%20Autism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy You responded to a post about MMR with stuff about mercury. I responded. BTW the anti vaxers may have had every right to question the safety of thimerosol but the research has been done and it has no relationship to autism. To continue to push any sort of linkage between vaccines and autism is simply unsupportable. The research has been done and no link exists.

Rule -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 7:44:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen BTW the anti vaxers may have had every right to question the safety of thimerosol but the research has been done and it has no relationship to autism. To continue to push any sort of linkage between vaccines and autism is simply unsupportable. The research has been done and no link exists. I know quite a lot of immunology. I agree that research has been done and that the investigations yielded no positive results. Nevertheless, autism does appear to be linked to vaccinations and does appear to be caused by an auto-immune reaction triggered by vaccination. We simply have no idea what the connection might be. Perhaps it is an immunological reaction against a marker that is only present in some juveniles. Perhaps it is something generic. If I recall correctly, all vaccines have some molecule from sea urchins in them; perhaps it is linked to that. Or perhaps something in the blood binds to the antigenic epitope in the vaccine, causing an immunological reaction against self, and if that self-antigenic epitope happens to be identical to a brain cell antigenic epitope, then those brain cells would be destroyed.

DCWoody -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 7:46:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy quote: ORIGINAL: DCWoody Yet another american conspiracy theory, reading that crap'll rot your brain dude. How would you explain that the filer is from Harvard? I wouldn't, I would ignore it.....seriously, this stuff just encourages you to start using poor reasoning and lose your capability for logic, your argument reminds me of what happened over here a few years ago....some Dr started going on about a measles mumps and rubella vaccine causing autism. It didn't of course, total bollocks....but because he was a doctor, people thought it was true, or it might be true....if it's not true, why is a doctor saying it? Just....ignore this kinda insane bullshit.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 8:31:57 AM)
FR I would prefer to have the vaccine than the flu itself. It's kind of pot luck as to how bad you get it i.e. perhaps you breathe in the spores and it infects your lungs first leading to breathing difficulties before your immune system has the chance to respond or perhaps you'll wipe your face with a contaminated hand leading to a throat infection thus your immune system will be able to respond before it spreads to your lungs. The same is probably the case for seasonal flu except with that you get some basic immunity from recent infections. If you saw how people with serious cases of this flu were treated in intensive care units you probably wouldn't even question taking the vaccine. There is nothing wrong with informed choice as long as the information is not garnered through dubious internet sources seeing 1% of the picture but certain it is the whole story, disregarding all other factors and studies. Yes the swine flu vaccine could be dangerous (no real statistical evidence yet), yes swine flu is dangerous (much evidence to support this). Also don’t believe all this nonsense about ‘underlying medical conditions’ this is just spin to avoid panic. It’s kind of obvious that if you have certain other pre existing conditions the swine flu will be harder to recover from but there have also been many cases of people 100% healthy then dying from only swine flu. It’s a leap of faith you either trust the technology or you don’t. It’s also an educated gamble i.e. having a reaction to a vaccine and knowing that is a reaction to the vaccine or catching an undiagnosed case of swine flu at anytime and passing it onto people closest to you at anytime. It’s a harder choice if you are a parent, but as an individual you can decide to take a personal risk to help prevent spreading it to others. -l

Termyn8or -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 8:56:44 AM)
What's a vaccination ? You want the best of both sides. I will die because I will not seek their allopathic - what boils down to a cheap form of alchemy. And I do not accept their yoke of slavery. I want nothing to do with them, and they found out over the years that they want nothing to do with me. Five years ago I went totally out of the system, and I will live with the consequences. If I want my cataract fixed I will have to pay out of pocket. I will live or die based on my own body's ability to ward off infections and disease. People have threatened to drag me to the hospital, at which time I pull out a gun and calmly say "I am not so sick that I can't use this". Once I am too sick to pull the trigger, then I might go, but not until. I might drop dead, but I will drop dead with my beliefs and convictions intact. So be it. Oh, and someone mentioned mercury ? Remember the scandal almost about that ? Well folks the debunkers have now been debunked, just in case you didn't know. In other words, the lies are now truth again. For now I guess. You know what I do in the face of these types of conflicting bullshit ? I completely forget about it and go on my way. I go with what I know and will respond, but I do not react. Amoebas react. For example if someone dropped a nuke nearby I would take insane amounts of iodine supplements, that because I know exactly how and why it works. Vaccinations and all that are like letting your immune system work out on a bowflex instead of free weights. Anyone who knows what they're doing will work out with free weights because the benefits are greater. Fact. Like the butter vs margarine thing, which is better for you this year ? Fuck all that, which has been around longer ? It takes alot more than letters after your name to convince me. T

Rule -> RE: Swine flu affidavit filed by Dr Horowitz MUST read on do not take the wine flu shot (9/24/2009 8:58:43 AM)
This thread is not about the benefit or harm of ordinary vaccines, SM. It is about the suspicion that malevolent people have conspired to add antigenic epitopes to globally administered vaccines that will evoke an autoimmune response that causes infertility in all vaccinated people.

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