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Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 4:44:11 PM   
GotSteel


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Status: offline 		I'm wondering how people who believe that theirs a benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity at work in the world around us explain this.

"Gunther Link, a devout Catholic, prayed to be saved after he was trapped in a lift – but was killed when he went to church to give thanks and the stone altar fell on him." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/6166852/Man-killed-in-church-after-stone-altar-falls-on-him.html
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 4:50:40 PM   
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 5:06:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well if you believe in Old Testament Isaiah 45:7 says

"I form the light and create darkness,
      I bring prosperity and create disaster;
      I, the LORD, do all these things. "

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 6:41:25 PM   
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 6:53:05 PM   
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 7:33:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I'm wondering how people who believe that theirs a benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity at work in the world around us explain this.

Is there something in "benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient" that implies a 24/365 protection service?

K.




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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 8:45:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I'm wondering how people who believe that theirs a benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity at work in the world around us explain this.

Is there something in "benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient" that implies a 24/365 protection service?

K.


Yes, unless you want to employ the tortured reasoning of those who see God's hand in everything good but then decide on various excuses for God in everything bad.

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 8:48:59 PM   
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 9:24:02 PM   
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Is there something in "benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient" that implies a 24/365 protection service?


Yes....


Unh, go on... you went off on an "unless" tangent there and never came back.

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 10:02:55 PM   
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/24/2009 11:27:39 PM   
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 12:14:12 AM   
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Well if you believe in Old Testament Isaiah 45:7 says

"I form the light and create darkness,
     I bring prosperity and create disaster;
     I, the LORD, do all these things. "


What point are you trying to make with that?

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 4:25:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just a guess...I can't speak for Orion, of course.  But when you asked originally "I'm wondering how people who believe that theirs a benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity at work in the world around us explain this.", Orion's quote from the bible might explain it.  Not saying Orion's religious, or even that I am.  But for anyone who believes, well....those were the Lord's words.  So if you wonder, maybe thats how they can explain it? 

*Editted to add...I think it was an appropriate quote to your question. 

< Message edited by Louve00 -- 9/25/2009 4:46:48 AM >

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 5:30:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well done Louve, you understood my point quite well.

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 6:56:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

Well done Louve, you understood my point quite well.

I kinda thought the quote didn't fit the case being proposed. Personally, I've never been able to consider the God of the OT a particularly benevolent fellow. And for an omnipotent God, he seems to need too much help with the dirty work.

K.




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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 7:01:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

I'm wondering how people who believe that theirs a benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient deity at work in the world around us explain this.

Is there something in "benevolent, omnipotent and omniscient" that implies a 24/365 protection service?

K.



To some people, yes they do.

To answer the op's question. Not hard to explain at all. The altar was old and it fell. Not a real big mystery here, shit falls down all the time. It just sucks for the guy who was under it at the time.


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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 7:14:02 AM   
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To some people, yes they do.

Unh, obviously. But my question is, how precisely do you get from the one to the other?

K.

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 7:16:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is obviously "God's" will. If a miracle happens, it's "God's" will. Or if a child dies inexplicably, it's "God's" will. So obviously "God" was aiming for him. God is the Christian answer to everything, therefore, it's "His" fault.

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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 7:20:46 AM   
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RE: Man killed in church after stone altar falls on him - 9/25/2009 7:23:08 AM   
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the man grabbed a pillar... at the top of that pillar was an altar.

quote:

"He seems to have embraced a stone pillar on which the stone altar was perched and it fell on him, killing him instantly.

"We have found his fingerprints on the pillar. We are now investigating the case further," he added.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/austria/6166852/Man-killed-in-church-after-stone-altar-falls-on-him.html

the man died

end of story

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