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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/25/2009 5:20:31 PM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		At the very least they are going to pass a bill with the single-payer option using reconciliation and according to Sherrod Brown, the Democratic senator from Ohio, they may pass the bill with 60 votes.

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The republican party is unable to obstruct anything right now. The ball is in the democrats court.


That's kind of a half-truth there, SFY. The republican party cannot pass anything right now. Obstruction is a very different matter.


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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/25/2009 5:24:21 PM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		This is actually another Republican lie. The single-payer option will actually reduce the deficit and pay for itself. It will also reduce executive compensation so we will not have scumbags making $24 million dollar salaries while innocent Americans suffer having their health care rescinded.

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well, what does not having a way to pay for it all of a sudden have to do with anything? Taxes should have been raised, not lowered, spending should have been trimmed, not exploded, reform should have been accomplished not obstruted, protections should have been passed, not dismantled, calculation and reason should have been the standard, not bellicosity and invasion, nobody considered how to pay for that.

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/25/2009 5:25:20 PM   
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My goal is to know the truth and to tell it.


Step 1 in achieving that goal...quit with the blanket generalizations.


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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/25/2009 5:27:19 PM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		She said on Larry King's show she voted for Obama.

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Doesn't Judge Judy lean to the right?


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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/25/2009 5:30:27 PM   
Brain


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Status: offline 		No, Robert Kennedy Junior said the Republicans are 100% corrupt and the Democrats are 60% corrupt. That's the difference.


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Corporate whores & live for lobbyists eh? And this differs from Democrats how?


The republicans have better suits. That's about it.


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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/25/2009 5:33:41 PM   
Raiikun


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Status: offline 		In actuality though, in my experience the corruption levels in both parties are overflowing tremendously, and at equal levels.

(But neither at 100%....there are some truly awesome and ethical people on both sides).

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/25/2009 6:22:08 PM   
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This is actually another Republican lie. The single-payer option will actually reduce the deficit and pay for itself. It will also reduce executive compensation so we will not have scumbags making $24 million dollar salaries while innocent Americans suffer having their health care rescinded.

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well, what does not having a way to pay for it all of a sudden have to do with anything? Taxes should have been raised, not lowered, spending should have been trimmed, not exploded, reform should have been accomplished not obstruted, protections should have been passed, not dismantled, calculation and reason should have been the standard, not bellicosity and invasion, nobody considered how to pay for that.

Ron




take your meds, dude. the post I made had not a fiddlers fuck to do with healthcare.
R

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/26/2009 4:57:14 AM   
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She said on Larry King's show she voted for Obama.

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Doesn't Judge Judy lean to the right?





I am sure you will never understand why, but that doesn't mean squat.

Oh and by the way, your comment in a previous post about Obama being "christlike"? Now it didn't sound like you were calling him stupid, but we all know you think anyone who is religious, is stupid, so why would you even go there? I though you liked the guy.

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/26/2009 6:02:54 AM   
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In the Senate version of Obamacare if you refuse to pay the health insurance corporations for the privelige of having their product cover you you do not pass go, and you do not collect $200, you go directly to jail.

So who are the corporate whores again?


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This is actually another Republican lie. The single-payer option will actually reduce the deficit and pay for itself. It will also reduce executive compensation so we will not have scumbags making $24 million dollar salaries while innocent Americans suffer having their health care rescinded.

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well, what does not having a way to pay for it all of a sudden have to do with anything? Taxes should have been raised, not lowered, spending should have been trimmed, not exploded, reform should have been accomplished not obstruted, protections should have been passed, not dismantled, calculation and reason should have been the standard, not bellicosity and invasion, nobody considered how to pay for that.

Ron




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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/26/2009 6:28:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		If the democrats try to ram this bill down our throats using the reconciliation tactic, they will have more problems than they can count. It will not go over well with voters to put it mildly. They will threaten to do that, but will not go that route.

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/26/2009 8:07:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Depends how important they think it is, both finacially, politically, and ethically. If the Dems are going to get anything done, they may have to resort to Recon. There may be a cost in elections later, but that's only if the programs they are proposing fail... (or are too slow in ramping up to show up in a voter's budget by election time) if they succeed, they will become a majority for a very, very long time.

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/26/2009 11:03:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		As near as I can tell the entire crop of politicians presently serving themselves are whores...

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/26/2009 11:15:09 AM   
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If the democrats try to ram this bill down our throats using the reconciliation tactic, they will have more problems than they can count. It will not go over well with voters to put it mildly. They will threaten to do that, but will not go that route.


Not like it hasnt been used before... by both parties.

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/26/2009 12:00:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow... with a thread title like that I'm stunned this thread didn't go off like a powder keg (yet).

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/27/2009 12:39:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		US Democrats and their "frontman" Obama are masters of deception. Democrats today raise more money from corporate donors than GOP candidates. Obama election campaign got about twice corporate donations McCain did. Obama economic policies can be described as fascist (state interests and big business interests fuse together). Health care proposals fall into the same category: big medical  business interests can not be harmed.
What have Democrats actually delivered last 25 years to their major voting blocks? The answer is: practically nothing. The democrats have been among  top organizers of all major bubble scams.  The above is not to say Republicans are better. US needs government reform more than health care reform. It should be realized that US follows communist Russia footsteps (corruption, debt trap, inability to reform the system). Russians say: fish starts rotting from the head.

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/27/2009 12:49:53 PM   
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US Democrats and their "frontman" Obama are masters of deception. Democrats today raise more money from corporate donors than GOP candidates. Obama election campaign got about twice corporate donations McCain did. Obama economic policies can be described as fascist (state interests and big business interests fuse together). Health care proposals fall into the same category: big medical business interests can not be harmed.
What have Democrats actually delivered last 25 years to their major voting blocks? The answer is: practically nothing. The democrats have been among top organizers of all major bubble scams. The above is not to say Republicans are better. US needs government reform more than health care reform. It should be realized that US follows communist Russia footsteps (corruption, debt trap, inability to reform the system). Russians say: fish starts rotting from the head.

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Well, we might as well shut this thread down. Somebody has decided to shout "Facist!".

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/27/2009 2:24:56 PM   
Fellow


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Status: offline 		I did not say US government is fascist. I said the economic policies lean towards fascism.
Here is Wikipedia definition:
Secondly, fascism has strong corporatist elements, where the government has significant control over private enterprise, but does not entirely co-opt it (as in, say, communism). The NAZIs, for example, considered themselves a "Third Way" between laissez-faire capitalism and socialism, in that rather than completely nationalizing industry and taking over the means of production, the government had a very powerful influence.
Can you recognize the point?

If we start certain fearing words things are even worse. We can pretend things are OK only wery limiting time (if they are  obviously not.OK).

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/27/2009 2:53:30 PM   
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Well, we might as well shut this thread down. Somebody has decided to shout "Facist!".

Well you better get busy over here then, too.

K.






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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/27/2009 3:59:13 PM   
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Well you better get busy over here then, too.
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Nahh...defining it aint the same as calling it. Besides, you're a buddy.

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RE: Republicans are corporate whores & live for lobbyists - 9/27/2009 5:50:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mars, I think we will see very soon that ethics and finances don't matter much to the democrats in power right now. Politics do matter though. That is the one reason the ' public ' option will never pass. They want to get re elected in 2010.

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