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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:15:31 AM   
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2 questions.

How old are you?

Do you have children and what are their ages?
I know this wasn't aimed at me, but if it is apt to ask SL4V3...etc. then it is apt for everybody...so here goes
Just shy of 50, yes, 3 kids, aged 16, 15, & 9.


Same here.
Just turned 41; four children....38, 31, 24 (all three legally adopted ), and 15

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:17:09 AM   
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So let me ask.. where is the seperation of church and state here when a film is allowed to toss such a defaming light onto one specific religion? would we allow that to happen to any other religion here? According to one article i saw, the teacher started talking about genital mutilation right afterwards.
I have no idea what theteacher spoke about afterwards, but I already stated what I thought an appropriate context lesson-wise for the film would be. I personally think that all religions should be stripped naked and exposed in their violence and absurdities to our children...so that they may judge them honestly...but that's another issue altogether.

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I agree, and the teens comfort themselves with the knowledge that its just a movie. This was real... and in my opinion, handled badly by the school.
All the more reason for it to be shown,or at least the images...I have already agreed that the anti-islamist message of the film is not good and that in any classroom presentation that should indeed be addressed. But the images (which is what supposedly drove the poor girl into counselling) are entirely appropriate for school.


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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:17:55 AM   
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I envy you two. i miss mine at 15. we had such a close relationship then. ~sighs~

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:18:46 AM   
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Yet you generalized without realizing that there are, or may be, exceptions to the rules. Or that your generalization may be he exception itself, and that what my experience with homeschooling is may actually be quite the norm. Either way, generalizations can come back to bite you in the ass at times.

How do you teach electrolysis at home? How do you show the difference between a highly reactive element and an inert one?

You are limited by the limitations of your teacher and environment. I don't need to witness the disaster which is homeschooling it is obvious based on there being no quality control process having to be applied to the teacher or the environment.

Hands up who wants to be taught about something by someone with a PhD at university level rather than a degree at high school level? Isn’t it normal to want to learn from people with the best possible understanding of a subject. How can you be all things to all people? English teacher, Science teacher, Mathematics teacher, History teacher, Geography teacher, Religious Studies teacher. Etc?

Simply how?


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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:19:20 AM   
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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:20:59 AM   
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Geert Wilders is a nutbar.

The problem with screening this in a school has nothing to do with images, and everything to do with the message.  Someone mentioned "the alleged anti Muslim political tilt of this film".  It ain't alleged, folks.  He says "I don't hate Muslims. I hate their book and their ideology".

I wouldn't dream of restricting his freedom of speech, even if he uses it to call for banning the Koran, but that teacher had a political agenda.

It wouldn't be appropriate to show that film to any 13 year old, except, perhaps, in the context of learning to analyze propaganda.

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:23:22 AM   
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How do you teach electrolysis at home? How do you show the difference between a highly reactive element and an inert one?
easy as pie...you go down to the local library (or Youtube) and get a PBS science film and show that on the big screen in the living room...see its easy as pie. Or you cobble together the things you need and do the experiment (probably a lot more learning involved there than in just watching the teacher perform the experiment with stuff he has already to hand actually).

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You are limited by the limitations of your teacher and environment. I don't need to witness the disaster which is homeschooling it is obvious based on there being no quality control process having to be applied to the teacher or the environment.
Well its certainly clear that you have an open mind on the topic now isn't it?


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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:24:56 AM   
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So let me ask.. where is the seperation of church and state here when a film is allowed to toss such a defaming light onto one specific religion? would we allow that to happen to any other religion here?



Are the followers of any other religion running around cutting off people's heads?






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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:29:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually a pretty good point RML. Perhaps we shouldn't be afraid to address that issue...what is it about Islam that leads to so many ultra-violent fundamentalists. A total disregard for the life of non co-religionists does seem to be a more frequent aspect of Islam than other religions these days (I admit it wasn't always so). While I am positive the majority of imams do not preach the death and destruction sermons, an inordinately large number of them do....what's the reason? And why do they seem to have so little trouble finding followers willing to die for their ideas?


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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:30:08 AM   
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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:32:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		electrolysis would be a pan of water an upturned glass, a chunk of stainless steel (get a tig stick from the welding supply house) for the cathode and anode J bend the (?) into the upturned glass.......and if you dont know how to do it and need it done wiki and youtube. (p.s. not a rhetorical question, I expect to see if you have read your assignment and can answer it.)

inert and ert? LOL.

get sodium from your pharmacist (chemist if in UK) drop it in water, wear face shields, run like hell. that is your highly reactive.

for inert. drop a chunk of copper in water. say a penny.

question? look at the table of elements in the front of your book, and see if you can determine what the Na is reacting with in the H20....as the home schooler progresses to advanced chemistry then you can have them deal out the electron exchange.....

elementary, my dear Watson


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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:32:27 AM   
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How do you teach electrolysis at home? How do you show the difference between a highly reactive element and an inert one?

You are limited by the limitations of your teacher and environment. I don't need to witness the disaster which is homeschooling it is obvious based on there being no quality control process having to be applied to the teacher or the environment.


I cannot speak for all states, but in South Carolina, there are rules and regulations as to who can teach and there is a testing program at the end of each year for homechooled students that is to be given by someone who is not the teaher.

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Teaching science can be helped by science centers, as well as colleges. You would be surprised at how many professors allowed us to sit in on certain classes. Not only that, we were part of a homeschool organization that met on fridays to teach children subjects parents may have found hard to teach at home.. like sign language, current events, band and music classes, ect. Where there is a will, there is a way. Just because its more convenient to do it in one setting doesnt mean it cannot be accomplished by other means.

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:42:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		The difference is a teacher with subject knowledge is always on hand to answer questions. Apparently at Oxford they don’t actually conduct set lectures they expect students to find information and self learn then ask questions in tutorial based setting, an interesting fact I find surprising.

Seems a bit open ended for my liking.

The other advantage of traditional schooling is the measure of success is easier to establish because the learning is regimented in the same way thus all individuals progress are judged based on the same experience which isn’t always an advantage I suppose.


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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:46:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		It also prevents a child who may be exceptionally bright in one or two subjects from moving ahead of the rest. Homeschooling allows a child to learn at their own pace.. fast or slow. There really are no drawbacks... only the limitations set by those who are teaching. SC requires a BS degree be held by the teacher/parent. Since i have one, and understood how to access information on the internet, as well as a working knoweldge of the school system, the college system in my area, and had access to both NC and SC Homeschool associations... he did very well.

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:52:17 AM   
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electrolysis would be a pan of water an upturned glass, a chunk of stainless steel (get a tig stick from the welding supply house) for the cathode and anode J bend the (?) into the upturned glass.......and if you dont know how to do it and need it done wiki and youtube. (p.s. not a rhetorical question, I expect to see if you have read your assignment and can answer it.)


Sadly there would be no fun to be had by forcing the teacher to reset the circuit breaker after you've completed the circuit without the beaker of electrolyte. Also would be gone with homeschooling the many fun things you can do with a Bunsen burner when no one is looking.


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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:55:05 AM   
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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:55:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		hah? what breaker reset, get a fuckin 9 volt. A D cell will do it. dont need electrolyte to separate water for fucks sake, if you want to speed it up, set it on one of those old football vibrater tins for the mechanical shaking action to speed separation........cakewalk.

Who needs a bunsen burner, get out the soldering torches and tie up and burn up teacher (mom)

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 10:55:39 AM   
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It also prevents a child who may be exceptionally bright in one or two subjects from moving ahead of the rest. Homeschooling allows a child to learn at their own pace.. fast or slow. There really are no drawbacks... only the limitations set by those who are teaching. SC requires a BS degree be held by the teacher/parent. Since i have one, and understood how to access information on the internet, as well as a working knoweldge of the school system, the college system in my area, and had access to both NC and SC Homeschool associations... he did very well.

You'll be pleased to know I have a BSc so we can show that film in class after all.

My point: I doubt you'd want me to be teaching anyone anytime soon and that's only right because teaching is so much more responsibility than ermm teaching.

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lol... you think we didnt have one?

Gas cooker?

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 11:00:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		What film? lol... the hate filled one? you can, i wouldnt. I didnt post that to brag, just to explain that what you believed wasnt true.

I homeschooled mine from 6th grade to highschool. He tried to go back in his senior year, he hated it and returned to finish his last year at home. Besides, how many kids get to go to Disney Wolrd and take it as a class trip on vacation to learn about the laws of gravity, inertia, centrifuge, centripetal force, ect. Since we went at Christmas, he also had to do a report on the different worlds depicted in Epcot, the origins and stories behind each nations "Santa Clause" or Christmas spirit. We also got a back of house tour of the water slide "blizzard Beach" and another report based upon the working of such an attraction, what it takes to maintain the attraction.

Even on vacation, he had to work. Yeah.. he had it so easy.. lol

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RE: Schools promoting hatred? - 9/25/2009 12:15:12 PM   
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Geert Wilders is a nutbar.


What makes you say Geert Wilders is a nutbar and what does this add to the discussion?

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And some wonder why so many homeschool these days.
What has homeschooling to do with Fitna? You gave the link, parents can show children this film at home! Here's a better link: http://www.themoviefitna.com/?page_id=47

This is not about terrorists alone, as shown in the film imams summon to slaughter infidels. Dutch tv several times let us hear imams summoning to slaughter the native Dutch population in our own streets, calling us pigs and dogs. Geert Wilders lives under continuous protection. Who is promoting hatred here? You don't find it odd to criticize Wilders as the messenger and ignore facts like the opression in Islamic nations and secret sharia courts in the UK and the Netherlands in mosques despising western law and parents sending their teenage daughters abroad to marry them off to men twice their age they never saw and secretly mutilate their genitalia?

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