Termyn8or
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Bull, you and I are almost diametrically opposed on this issue. However I know how to keep it decent I think ( and hope ). I want to maintain respect because I think you, like me, would die for our rights, this country, our loved ones and so forth. There are many who would not.
However you support this form of interventionism practiced in the last several decades, so I assume that somehow "they" convinced you that this was the right thing to do. Well I differ.
To start, the founding Fathers of this nation warned against these foreign entanglements, but their words have not been heeded. For example China for years bothered nobody, was considered a threat but little was known. We were somewhat friendly neighbors, just suspicious of one another and minding our Ps and Qs. Tianemen square should never have hit our TV screens. It is simply none of our business.
Am I saying to be ignorant of what is going on around us ? hell no. Of course one has to be aware of one's surroundings, and as an entity, a nation is no different. But the job is to protect the country, not to reform the whole world. We are only a target because of what we have done. If we stuck to the principles as layed forth in the beginning, most of our enemies would not even be aware of our existence.
I truly believe that you think your way is the best, and that this interventionist policy of this government is a good thing, but in that, is precisely where I think you've been misled. As have many.
Also IIRC we still buy some of our oil from Venezuela, so what are we doing ? Shaking the Man's hand with our right as our left is trying to stab him in the back ? Is this the most desirable representation that we, as a People, can have ?
For one, no Venezuelan has ever done anything wrong to me, and as far as I can tell to the US or anyone, and that includes Chavez. They are after Chavez because he wouldn't agree to their proposed backdoor deals that wreck a fucking country sure as shit. He won't play ball with these snakes. That is their fucking problem, and the snakes' solution is to convince people that he is going to nuke the US and soon. Same old typical story. And you fall for it again and again. (collectively)
They say this is a threat and that is a threat, and then fail to substantiate it. Like Vietnam and Korea, they were never a threat. They did mine a hell of alot of phosphorous out of Nam though. But if you take a look around, in most cases we are the aggressor. Don't even mention 911, that was the wrong country. What if someone bombed us because bumfukt Egypt attacked them ? Would you consider that a valid excuse ? So now after we bombed Afghanistan back into the stone age after Russia did it, we are going to do it again. Does that make any sense ? It doesn't to me.
If you want a terrorism free world, the thing to do is to not piss people off. You even utterly destroy the terrorists' home country all you do is put them into a state of diaspora (sp), like the Jews. And after so many years like that look what they have put together. Like a reverse regroup or something. You keep trying to kill an enemy and keep failing the enemy will get stronger, smarter and faster.
In other words, we should have just been happy to get along with the world and be happy instead of trying to run the fucking whole thing.
I will agree that in some cases action must be taken, but that is because we caused the situation. I also agree that we could not with any degree of sanity just back out of the game right now. It is far too late for that. But if People would've held to the principles of the founding Fathers of this country, we would never be in this predicament.
True patriots ? Let me not name a few. Those secrectaries of the treasury that got fired by the President for refusing to transfer our real money to foreign banks. I remember the one who did, Roger B. Taney, also famous for the Dred Scott decision. But what of their names, those who got fired for actually doing their job, which was to protect this country's riches. Does anyone know their names ?
In life, you might have a Master tell a slave girl to "BRING ME MY WINE, WENCH", but a true leader does not always show his colors. He does not want to limit those he leads, he wants them to learn and grow and simply goes away, allowing things to happen as they do. Have they instilled a strong fear in you that if left unchecked, the world would unite against us and take what is ours ? That is what it really boils down to, nothing more, and like most fears, if the fear sustains it is not real. When fear is real something happens. We are the only ones pretty much making anything happen.
Now imagine a world in which we had never pissed anyone off. It would be so much better, but then some people must learn the hard way. At our cost.
Oh, and Chavez ? We already got rid of him once, but the People of that country rose up and reinstated him. And they keep electing him. They also said at some point the election of a racist to the Austrian Parliment was a "Slap in the face to democracy". Do you think I am going to believe that an election can be so rigged by people who are so universally hated ? Am I to believe that the supporters of Chavez years ago did not have the right to support Chavez because our regime doesn't like him ?
Sometimes one needs to take step back and thin about what they have seen. A picture is worth a thousand words ? How long does it take to fully digest a thousand words in the mind ? Those who seek to manipulate want that instant knee jerk reaction, and I for one am sorry to disappoint them.
Think of it this way, just what has Chavez done to us ? And remember, only include things before we tried to overthrow him. If you can really look at things objectively, he has every right to be pissed at us, not the other way around.
Give this a second thought, give it ALL a second thought. Just what are we doing ?
T
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