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tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/28/2009 8:46:06 PM)

Bargaining and pleas are allowed, they arent "the law". When you are arrested, you are arrested based upon the law. only a Judge can decide if mitigating circumstances deem leniency. He didnt allow the Judge that process, deciding for himself what was best.

Im actually surprised that we are even discussing the guilty plea at all. he plead guilty, for whatever reason. the reason being he thought he would get off with a slap on the wrist.

we have already discussed that a judge doesnt have to accept a plea bargain.

i see no problem with the process, except he is a fugitive from justice, and most people seem to believe thats no big deal.




Zevar -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/28/2009 8:57:20 PM)

FR~

As in every criminal offense there is always more than one perspective. There is most often opinion without fact. Then there is fact that cannot be changed or altered by opinion. None the less as humans opinion is something we all express. Then there is the judicial system and those who enforce law and those who look for every loophole to allow offenders a way out of their crimes with minimal punishment and some cases no punishment at all. Namely plea bargaining.

In regarding to opinion in and of itself opinion never convicts anyone nor does it sentence anyone. Prosecution and defense wars to prove their perspective as factually true beyond a reasonable doubt or beyond a shadow of doubt. In the case of Polanski he incriminated himself. Upon realizing his lot in life he fled upon learning that his fame in Hollywood would NOT give him above the law status. Being a French citizen he was given asylum by his country of origin and where he has legal citizenship.

The long term protection he has had the luxury of which included protection from facing extradition was granted by the French government to Polanski and this is what is in question currently. He fled prosecution from the United States of American which surely is constituted as another country. His government has every legal right to extend whatever their law allows to this wanted felon.

Accordingly Polanski is also in question. Rightly so. Interestingly enough this appears to be a text book classic case as now Polanski is advocating to be the victim of this 30 years old crime. Combined with the support of the now adult victim who at the time of the Criminal Offence occurring was a legitimate 13 year old minor. More than likely it looks like a day in the candy store for Polanski. Call on your countrymen Polanski. Loudly and plaster all of your lies with the media. There is a time for everything, even after running and hiding. This could fairly well be said toward Polanski. Indeed many would willingly stone the man. His actions, choices and abominable acts is what stirs this in the hearts of those who agree that NEVER does anyone harm a minor, regardless.

Polanski admittedly concurred that he did indeed intoxicate and drug a minor that he did sexually assault which was the same 13 year old minor intoxicated and drugged by himself. There is nothing that can disprove his admission now. The statues of limitation in accordance with the said Federal or State Sentencing Guidelines will be rather difficult to amend at this point.

There will continue to be a legal debate as there is now a bitter battle to prosecute or not. Has Polanski served his time or not? In more than not most sexual offenders do not psychologically define their criminal acts as criminal. The definitions of appropriate socially acceptable sexual behavior is usually a distorted version by sexual offenders to fit there perverted definition of their unhealthy sexual desires which are fueled by preying on innocent children.

Professionally speaking there is a Psychological Evaluation Process for all sexual offenders. The battery of testing is usually viewed and experienced by most sexual offenders as grueling in many ways. There are common complaints to change the testing process of evaluation which is reported by sexual offenders to alleviate their distress in addressing their unspeakable crimes committed to minors. The process none the less is not amendable regardless how much a sexual offender complains. Further more than not offenders have their own agenda which is usually covert. Some might be overt yet most are covert. A common denominator in any sexual assault. No sexual assault is disclosed prior to the attack. To disclose prior would inflate the crime for the sexual offender. Thus their motives are not disclosed prior to crimes and usually not ever. It is a process of study and extract to become versed in how a sexual offender thinks and behave.

This mind set is more than likely what Polanski is relying on to redeem him from his much needed sentencing. In the evaluation process a sexual offender must provide a sexual history. This is where a trained professional can determine the likelihood of an offenders ability to demonstrate a balanced sense of disclosure among others variables.

It is reported by reliable sources that thereafter the Psychological Evaluation Process is when Polanski began to retreat thus was not present for his Arraignment Hearing. It is reported that Legal representation appeared on his behalf and as a result of Polanski not appearing the case remains set aside. Therefore Polanski can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law which is why this case has hit the media frenzy as it has. The cowardly sexual offender is trembling in the Light of Justice.

Polanski is also undoubtedly doing his shuffling victim act and redirecting the issue so he can continue to feel a pseudo sense of power as he cons people to believe his lies, upon lies, upon lies, upon lies. The foundation of all sexual offenses tend to be built upon coercion, deceit and secretiveness. His inaccessible world of sexual pervasion has turned on him as it eventually does in the case with every sexually offender. They might fool some of the people some of the time. Maybe some, yet not all.

What Polanski admittedly committed is unconscionable. There is NO time when a grown adult is justified in taking advantage of a minor. 0 X 100 = ZERO The answer every time. Never harm a minor. Never! Polanski is held to the same law as others as in....If he thinks the rules do NOT apply as they do to others, be careful. Think again. Hollywood idol or not. Flee, run, hide or retreat. We reap what we sow OR What we sow we reap. Either way inverted or not it is the same outcome. Plant it and you will harvest it in time. Now or hereafter. Justice does reign. Believe it or not.

Wrong is wrong. Right is Right. Never harm a little one. Never. There are those among who stand on the watchmen wall and are trained and work in unity for the protection of the innocent ones, the children and all young people who are not of a consenting legal age in accordance with law. If wondering, could the innocent ever be the admitted sexual offender? Think again. Not actor, Hollywood idol or thief of innocence who lies while looking into the eyes of minor with no feeling for what they say or do nor is it country or countryman.

Conclusion: Harm a minor and you pay. Now or hereafter. Justice does win after all, regardless.

We reap what we sow OR What we sow we reap.

I wish you well,
~Zevar~




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 4:12:51 AM)

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Try to get a grip. You are the one thinking in terms of moral absolutes. Assuming that the context in which you see things is necessarily the only reasonable and proper way for anyone else to view them is self-centered and boorish. I was thinking in terms of the psychological, emotional, and physical maturity of the victim, and the likely psychological, emotional, and physical damage that would be inflicted.
ORIGINAL: Kirata







I do not see many things in terms of moral absolutes. The drugging and molestation of a UM as is one of them. There is no place in my world view for misdemeanor molestation of a UM. I make no apology for this.




Irishknight -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 5:44:15 AM)

Spinner, I don't want to freak you out but we are in agreement 100% on this issue.

As for the leniency thing, he did the crime. Let him do the time.




DarkSteven -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 5:49:45 AM)

The whole case is a mess.  I read that he reached a plea bargain in which he served only 42 days.  The judge would have "reneged" on the deal according to one article I read (although I suspect that the plea bargain may never have been ratified through a judge - who would accept 42 days on a statutory rape case, especially with drugging thrown in?).




tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 5:51:15 AM)

DS, the 42 days were for a psych evaluation, which was supposed to be for 90 to determine his sentence. He was never sentenced.




DarkSteven -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 5:55:01 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

DS, the 42 days were for a psych evaluation, which was supposed to be for 90 to determine his sentence. He was never sentenced.


Ah, thanks for clearing that up.




Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 8:11:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

I do not see many things in terms of moral absolutes. The drugging and molestation of a UM as is one of them. There is no place in my world view for misdemeanor molestation of a UM. I make no apology for this.

That's fine. You've made that point about half a dozen times now. We're all proud of you. Oddly enough, nobody disagrees that it was illegal and wrong! But nevermind that, feel free to tell us again as many times as you like.

K.




sublace -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 11:43:02 AM)

Polanski was wrong wrong wrong and still is

Here is a link about victims Justice again..? Salon




FatDomDaddy -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 12:28:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

I do not see many things in terms of moral absolutes. The drugging and molestation of a UM as is one of them. There is no place in my world view for misdemeanor molestation of a UM. I make no apology for this.

That's fine. You've made that point about half a dozen times now. We're all proud of you. Oddly enough, nobody disagrees that it was illegal and wrong! But nevermind that, feel free to tell us again as many times as you like.

K.



Well since you do not disagree that Polanski's actions were illegal and wrong tell us what you feel should be done?

This was a very good thing, that Polanski was arrested, yet from the start of this thread, you have made excuse after excuse for the man you even want to explore the possibility that it was her own actions that led to Polanski's behavior.




SpinnerofTales -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 1:42:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata

That's fine. You've made that point about half a dozen times now. We're all proud of you. Oddly enough, nobody disagrees that it was illegal and wrong! But nevermind that, feel free to tell us again as many times as you like.


I will keep making the point as long as anyone tries to lessen, mitigate or spin away what this was and is. Sorry if that bothers you. Your posts suggesting that this is a in any way understandable or of lesser harm than any other form of molestation if the victim is precocious or developed for their age or in any way attractive to adults who should know better are equally disturbing and unpleasant to me.

If I have misunderstood you, please correct the misconception.




mick3y0 -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 1:47:55 PM)

Personally, I can't get over the French and the way they forgive any popular figure for just about anything. Is drugging and having sex with a minor even a crime in France? or they still call that romance?




kittinSol -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 2:14:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mick3y0

Personally, I can't get over the French and the way they forgive any popular figure for just about anything.



That's the problem, with sweeping generalizations... they frequently make their authors completely wrong.

Mitterrand and Kouchner get criticized by the right for their support of Polanski.

Daniel Cohn-Bendit criticizes Mitterrand on Polanski.

Polanski affair: the law is the same for artists and for ordinary citizens.

Tell me if you have trouble reading the links - I'll be more than happy to give you a synopsis in English [:)] .




tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 2:17:24 PM)

Someone mentioned on the off topic discussion board that they are agreeing with Republicans about how hollywood has a different set of values than the rest of america. I personally dont see it as a partisan issue. I dont have to be a republican to know its wrong to do what he did. I just have to be sane.




kittinSol -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 2:19:08 PM)

I agree: things like this transcend politics.

Although I question the motives of the Swiss (UBS scandal, anyone?), Polanski had this coming - it's time for him to face the music.




sublace -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 5:08:48 PM)

"Who cares what these European morons think? These jerks don't even subscribe to the death penalty for mass-murderers. What do they know about crime and punishment?"

a quote from an American commenting in The Washington Post

no comment [8|]




Kirata -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 5:21:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SpinnerofTales

Your posts suggesting that this is a in any way understandable or of lesser harm than any other form of molestation if the victim is precocious or developed for their age or in any way attractive to adults who should know better are equally disturbing and unpleasant to me.

I suggested it was "understandable" if she was "developed for her age" or "attractive to adults"?

WTF is your problem!@

K.




blacksword404 -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 6:10:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Master Kirata....they use the argument that children are sexual creatures... the same argument you posted to this thread.

I have not argued that children are sexual creatures. More to the point, the groups you refer to use that argument to promote sex with children. I have nowhere promoted sex with children.

I have, however, questioned the definition of a "child" being used in this discussion. There is no arbitrary line (the "age of consent") which, once crossed, results in a "child" suddenly metamorphosing into an "adult". Teenagers, in my view, are neither "children" nor "adults". And after puberty, you definitely have a sexual creature on your hands.

I don't really know when teens "should" be allowed to engage in sexual exploration. If we want to say not until they are mentally and emotionally mature, then the age of consent would need to be at around 25 years of age for males and a few years earlier for females, because that is when the areas of the brain involved in evaluating risk have matured.

One thing I am sure of, however, is that the insufferable pride some people take in making self-righteous calls for a man's head on a platter because the clock hadn't ticked off the last minute until some ridiculously arbitrary line in the sand was crossed is bizarre in the extreme.

K.




Society is hypocritical on this issue. If she has sex with an adult she is a child but if she shoots somebody well then she is an adult. They need to make their mind up one way or the other.




tazzygirl -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 6:13:26 PM)

Not all children are tried as adults... some are tried as children. It all goes back to mindset, planning and implementation. A 30 something year old man is reasonably expected to act like an "adult" when dealing with a child, and keep it in his pants. There really isnt a comparison here.




blacksword404 -> RE: Polanski Arrested. (9/29/2009 6:23:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Not all children are tried as adults... some are tried as children. It all goes back to mindset, planning and implementation. A 30 something year old man is reasonably expected to act like an "adult" when dealing with a child, and keep it in his pants. There really isnt a comparison here.


Sure there is. A child is a child is a child. Or not?




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